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Description Art career VS Parents is actually a very very common issue in many different countries.


First of all, you are not alone in this struggle, many many people are on the same boat sharing the same problem, including your parents.


A lot of parents tend to think doing art makes you starve, and you will be poor all your life if you want to become an artist. They are dead set on "a certain career means more money therefore means more steady life"

Truth is... whatever that popular career is... it may become less popular later because of so many people going into the field, thus lowering the demand. The supply and demand principle applies to all fields, jobs market changes.


OK. To start with the conversation... Lets make sure we know what they think that an "art career" is~~~


Research and Communicate:

Usually they don't know ANYTHING about that career you want to go into, usually the best way to go about it is research how much "salary" you will get paid with doing a certain job you are interested in.  Money is usually your parent's first concern, secondly, you have to research into the "steadiness" of the job. That's their second concern.

I would post about union rates in US but i know every country have different rates in different fields.

For those in the US, I will share some links for you to use as reference:

Animators/film productions:
Animator's wages in a decade

2007 Wage survey part 1


Visual arts resources:

Reports of salary on bls.gov

Web Developer Forum

Graphic Artist's Guild


Graphic novel:

Comics:
rec.arts.comics report - scroll down to 3-18: HOW MUCH DO COMIC CREATORS GET PAID?

Mangas:
Toykopop rates and contract




Game productions:
Rates on Video game productions


Fine art gallery: (probably the most unsteady niche area, you can get nothing or alot, most fine art artists end up being teachers for job security.)

Reports of salary on bls.gov




My advice for the young people who needs to make a decision:

1. Choose what's more important to you- take your time to decide.

"It's your own life after you leave your parents- " This sounds mighty- american, it is easier said than done. But I have seen people live with this and they have no regret, they are very very happy and content with their lives, and some of them earn 6 figures....

You might be struggling with the acceptance from your parents VS your own happiness.... If you value your parent's opinion a lot more than your dream career choice, then go with your parents, you have made the sacrifice to please them.

However, if you feel that 20 years later you will regret this choice, don't do it.

Many students who ended up in a college with a major they don't want already struggle with moodiness, depression, unhappiness when they try to go their parent's way.


There's high hopes that the parents will eventually understand if you are serious enough:

I know people who tough it through, gone through hide and seek, got their work thrown out by parents, etc... but they chose to continue, and eventually, their parents almost always, turn around and support them in the end, when they actually start making money from art.

I say 9 out of 10, because every case I have seen with the same problem came out with the same happy ending. When the kid chose the harder road and tough it through. I haven't seen one parent that didn't come to term with it.

However, fighting with your parents DOES cost you energy, and valuable time to use for study, so it's best to learn to communicate however you can instead of fighting. If it really really doesn't work out, there's very few options left but to grow up and go to live on your own.



2. You can also choose to find a compromise area you think you can deal with, and do freelance work on the side to continue your art business until you can live on it completely. If you think you can handle a teaching job while doing some art freelancing, go ahead and do that, slowly prove it to them that you can become a full time artist.  

Working full time as an artist is not for everyone, work is work, it has its pressure. So make sure you know you can do it until you are sick of it, and still you can do it the next day... before you decide this is your path.



2a. Art career can be your second career.
Also, I was told by a full time professional that on average "A person changes his career job 5-7 times in their life time." If your parents said your first career job must be "an accountant" or "doctor" or "businessman" it doesn't mean your secondary career job couldn't be a film director or artist. If you have no choice but to agree to your parents, it doesn't mean you have to completely give up on it. Do your studies to prepare yourself for your second career!





3. Work hard - Art industry is mostly entertainment industry, it is also a culture making industry, it's a specialty.

You don't just get in because you got a degree, in fact going to art institute and colleges has nothing to do with getting an art related job. Going to school for it only means they will give you the basics to prepare you for the job, better schools will get you better connections, better student bodies to motivate you, let you practice with industry standard tools, with more complete programming, all of that add together will eventually help you earn back the money you spent. But in the end, its what you put in counts.

You really need to have the skills and make connections. There's no other way to gain it but by working hard and go to social with other artists. If you only want to go into art but never work for it, you might as well not waste your time and do something else.
No one will hire you because "its your dream job."


If you want to get into art biz full time, be prepared to suddenly draw 8-12 hours a day, 40+ hours a week, or do 3D for that much time... whatever skills you wish to have, you have to grind for it.




4. Find a way to break in - "Break in" is our common term, technically if you get commissioned on DA or your site with REAL money you are already "freelancing." There is a ladder of difference between commercial clients and private clients, when they mention "break in" it means going in to work at a reliable company with steady income, and have your work be distributed through a commercial distribution channel.

To break in you might need to relocate to areas where there is publishers, companies, studios... usually it's the big cities.

Get yourself internships, (anyone who tells you internship is not important are liars) and get to know pros in the area.

Make yourself a reliable talent, and eventually you will get a chance and get work.

In the beginning years of an artist trying to find work, it's like the first year of survival in the wilderness, you need to be strong to survive, and work will keep coming to you. You don't have to be the best artist to survive, but you need to make sure your clients keep coming back to you, and search for new opportunities, you also need to start paying attentions to credits, the way the industry is moving, expanding or contracting.... There's a lot of homework to do.

(more resource will be added later)



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RikiPerot [2021-10-13 03:39:19 +0000 UTC]

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polliwoggledahlia [2019-06-25 03:58:54 +0000 UTC]

Grandma should've read this back when I was 11... She was quite harsh about her anti-artist career views with me...

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mayshing In reply to polliwoggledahlia [2019-07-13 18:55:05 +0000 UTC]

 

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urbangirl98 [2016-05-30 02:58:25 +0000 UTC]

*slowly slides in* www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGgCEn…

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LE2 [2016-03-14 19:50:17 +0000 UTC]

I went through the same thing! Only replace "Doctor" with "Nurse" because I was raised by a grandmother who thought it was still 1955.

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briskyart [2016-01-27 11:27:24 +0000 UTC]

I love this! ;-;
I can totally relate..

I want to become a illustrator of some sort. Maybe for books, comic books, etc. I would do them all. I'm willing to work hard because I know it's my dream. Although my grandfather wants me to have a "proper" job, such as a teacher, doctor, etc.

HOWEVER, I understand where he is coming from. But no. I'm going to my dream college and I will work hard no matter what. If it means drawing for 40 hours or more every week, pfft, it might be overwhelming but I will get it done because drawing is my life. I'll make me excited and happy.

I think doing what you love will help you overcome your stress about your job or work. It helps a lot in my opinion..

And thank you for this ;-; I needed this ;o;

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mayshing In reply to briskyart [2016-01-29 01:35:58 +0000 UTC]

you sound seriously into this so i am sure you will do just fine.
As long as u are willing to draw until you puke and keep improving you can make it as a prof. 
Most of the art jobs are freelance, project based, so it's not any immediate security, the only security is keep getting jobs or start up your own products that can make enough for your needed salary to pay everything. Best wishes. 

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briskyart In reply to mayshing [2016-01-29 11:19:46 +0000 UTC]

That's very true. There's a lot of freelancers out there and I thought that being a freelance illustrator might be best for me. The best part is that at the college I'm willing to attend to; they're very connected to businesses, companies, etc and they can easily help find jobs for their students once they graduate. They still keep in touch after they graduate.

And thanks. c: I'm willing to sketch everyday. God, not a day passes by with me knowing that I seriously, really want to improve in illustration. I just want to go off to college and just draw everyday. ;o;

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mayshing In reply to briskyart [2016-02-03 20:28:27 +0000 UTC]

colleges usually prepare u on older technology but the foundations are all the same, if they can prep u with upto date stuff is even better, but from my experience u will need to really dig for knowledge out of all your professors to get the most of it and make that money worth spent. Ganbatte! 

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briskyart In reply to mayshing [2016-02-03 23:04:14 +0000 UTC]

Oh, older technology? Well, the college I want to attend apparently has up-to-date technology from what I've heard.
And I see, gotcha. Thanks so much! ^_^

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Gardevoirliker [2015-11-29 17:47:32 +0000 UTC]

I think parent fear arts because it can be quite the gamble, you can be rich or you can be poor, however arts can be learned without any class (it will be hard there's no doubt) since it is a hobby, do that make a artist jobs lower in the great parental jobs hierarchy? Yes, but read careful: "great PARENTAL hierarchy". Still artist are important and if you believe in your dream, who know what you will achieve.

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flozoa [2013-10-30 19:27:32 +0000 UTC]

thank you so much for this. I know you posted this a while ago, but I am only now confronting my parents about my art and how I want to pursue my dream of being an artist...they aren't taking it well, and this comforted me. Thanks!

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mayshing In reply to flozoa [2013-10-31 17:53:45 +0000 UTC]

:thumsup: best wishes to you.

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Cyber-Knight [2013-01-05 10:17:18 +0000 UTC]

wow back in high school, my mom tried convincing me to be a nurse or a flight attendant. But i didn't want and allowed me to take fine arts: major in advertising. (I wanted animation, but there are limited schools that promotes that course back in my time). Now she's trying to turn me into a call center agent... Yeesh.

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MacabreFawn [2012-01-03 02:37:45 +0000 UTC]

My mom is an artist and I am too. I'm lucky because my parents will let me be whatever I want to be, they won't force me into anything. I feel bad for people with controling parents.

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mayshing In reply to MacabreFawn [2012-01-03 04:23:23 +0000 UTC]

you and I are really blessed/lucky to have understanding parents.

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MacabreFawn In reply to mayshing [2012-01-05 03:13:34 +0000 UTC]

We are! :3

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Schplitzkriegs [2011-12-19 23:29:32 +0000 UTC]

Parents say this based on your interests like for example: Oh you like animals? Be a veterinarian! Seriously, that's a bit stereotypical.

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Sirisk In reply to Schplitzkriegs [2015-04-05 20:51:21 +0000 UTC]

Not really for me. My mom used to be a nurse and my dad is a nurse now, so they want me to be a nurse right now. I can't stand looking at really bad bruises or any nasty body parts or anything like that, so it's the total opposite for me.

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Afro-dreads [2011-04-01 17:34:50 +0000 UTC]

This post helped so much, I always knew I would have trouble confronting my mother about the sacrifices that my art course produced, but now this has given me some insight in how I can handle it. (and bless her she is understandably worried)

Just wondering do you have any resources that you can share about creative jobs with illustration or just resources about creative jobs in general?

Whenever and if you can. Thank you <3

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mayshing In reply to Afro-dreads [2011-04-01 18:40:54 +0000 UTC]

i shared what i had on this article, job wise it's a up hill battle, you will tend to come out as a freelancer or intern, you have to work your way up in the biz.

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Afro-dreads In reply to mayshing [2011-04-01 21:32:34 +0000 UTC]

My tutor repeats this.

Thank you.

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JenBroomall [2011-01-11 18:07:40 +0000 UTC]

My parents are artists in many art forms: music, painting, writing, etc and I'm an artist too. I have a daughter and will support her in any choice.
Sure you can be a doctor but you can have art too.

I hope those who have not had support get some and don't give up.

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NightMargin [2010-11-16 17:27:13 +0000 UTC]

2a = storyofmylife

Thank you for putting this into perspective! 8D

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chibiveechan [2010-04-26 15:45:51 +0000 UTC]

....I love you.

But seriously, thank you for writing this, it really puts into perspective what my priorities in life are... now if i can get my parents to read this...

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mayshing In reply to chibiveechan [2010-04-28 02:48:07 +0000 UTC]

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MorbidFool [2010-03-31 08:33:14 +0000 UTC]

The release of JC's Avatar shut my father up regarding my plans for 3D and Environment Design as a career. XD

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DiscombobulatedTrin [2010-03-04 04:18:48 +0000 UTC]

I must say that I have the same argument with my mother all the time and this only reasured me after reading to confront her with what I plan to do. I don't know if you are intrested but I would like to study art in graphic design and traditional means and then become a art teacher.
But thank you very much with this article.

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mayshing In reply to DiscombobulatedTrin [2010-03-04 05:52:17 +0000 UTC]

best of wishes to you. ^_^9 Glad this helps.

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Almadeia [2010-02-23 22:54:35 +0000 UTC]

I get this with my dad, we actually yelled at each other :<

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mayshing In reply to Almadeia [2010-02-23 23:49:06 +0000 UTC]

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CaliforniaClipper [2010-02-02 06:00:47 +0000 UTC]

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mayshing In reply to CaliforniaClipper [2010-02-02 18:06:06 +0000 UTC]

i think your way of getting into biz is really relaxing. lol~
After my school we art students practically get sling shot into the biz due to worries for debts.

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CaliforniaClipper In reply to mayshing [2010-02-02 18:24:24 +0000 UTC]

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mayshing In reply to CaliforniaClipper [2010-02-02 18:26:09 +0000 UTC]

i am not too far ahead of you on that one. lol~ I hope i land a job around 30, i mean, others landed a job at 22. I am in school for WAY too long. -_-bb

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CaliforniaClipper In reply to mayshing [2010-02-02 18:34:26 +0000 UTC]

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mayshing In reply to CaliforniaClipper [2010-02-02 18:36:28 +0000 UTC]

my skill is only ok, good enough to get in.

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CaliforniaClipper In reply to mayshing [2010-02-02 18:47:48 +0000 UTC]

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mayshing In reply to CaliforniaClipper [2010-02-02 19:22:35 +0000 UTC]

ah, sorry. XD you know its like TV game, u are trying to get to my level but i am trying to get to Weta/Pixar/Disney level. XD

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CaliforniaClipper In reply to mayshing [2010-02-03 01:59:18 +0000 UTC]

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mayshing In reply to CaliforniaClipper [2010-02-03 02:21:33 +0000 UTC]



Well, i have my own goals training up new artists, cheap labor. ;D *punches self* and a healthy/growing industry.

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CaliforniaClipper In reply to mayshing [2010-02-05 06:22:09 +0000 UTC]

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mayshing In reply to CaliforniaClipper [2010-02-05 06:33:15 +0000 UTC]

XDDDD

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lenoir-whittlethorn [2010-01-31 21:57:51 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow, that picture totally depicted my own scenario. Except more yelling. lol Yeah, my mother was very pushy on me going into the medical/law field, but I couldn't bring my heart into it. I have the brains for it, but I never felt anything in those fields. But when I went into writing, it felt as if I was finally breathing. I stood my ground firmly and the summer before college was very tense in the household, but now everything is fine. It's just like you said, sometimes parents come around. Thanks for sharing this.

I would say that I've followed your projects as closely as I can, and I would like to congratulate you! You are an inspiration to me and hopefully my friend (who is a growing mangaka) will gain inspiration too. Thanks again for sharing!

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mayshing In reply to lenoir-whittlethorn [2010-01-31 23:07:23 +0000 UTC]

ur welcome.

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iznbodyzangel [2010-01-28 04:31:26 +0000 UTC]

my mom is supportive of me pursuing an art career but half of my siblings and some of the influential people are not... i will look forward to reading more of your articles

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Seraph6283 [2010-01-23 22:16:27 +0000 UTC]

My parents have been supportive as well. That said I wish my dad wasn't so dang ignorant/forgetful of my wrists in relation to what artist career choices I can physically manage without blowing body parts out like an athlete (I like to be able to help usage of my hands). As it makes a already difficult more so by needlessly unintentionally making my limits I very much have to worry about focus in my mind more then they need to be.

I would be a teacher but my langauge skills have lapse so badly and my wrists having to type up lesson plans all the time isn't a good combo. Again I think photograpjhy might be something good for me to pursue as it isn't as hard on me.

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Kth3Gr3at [2010-01-18 20:24:15 +0000 UTC]

I really liked reading this. Personally, this can be applied to a lot of different things like just parental acceptance in general. Thanks for posting this and the other piece.

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sphynx-c [2010-01-18 05:35:24 +0000 UTC]

I'm pretty lucky, I may have no idea what I'm doing or how I'm going to do it....

but my artistic career IS fully supported by my family

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theclownatethem [2010-01-18 00:14:50 +0000 UTC]

though I'm past this stage, I think this is some VERY useful literature

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