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I was required to have group therapy when I was in high school since I went to an alternative high school from about mid-11th grade until graduation.

Though this was before I was diagnosed with Asperger's, I still had ASD.  I was at the alternative school due to panic attacks keeping me from going to my regular high school, so everyone just thought it was panic attacks and OCD. 

For me, group therapy was torture.

We weren't allowed to have anything in our hands, so forget about stimming...can't rock back and forth or anything on the chairs, either.
I had taken to putting a keychain of an anime character in my pocket to hide it from the counselors so I had something as a stim.
Course, at that point, I didn't know it was stimming...but now I know since I used it as sensory input to stay calm.

Welp, as calm as I could be in a group of people.  There were only ten people or so, but even that was a lot to me, and I never even once talked about any of my issues.
Other people talked about theirs, and during the times I was actually paying attention, I'd attempt to help since that's in my nature...of course, it'd take me a while to actually say my point.
Stuff like that leads to feeling insecure about your own speech, so I talked even LESS in group.

Leaving the room wasn't allowed, either; they actually made sure that we went to the bathroom beforehand, so we had no excuse to leave (I still found one or two if I really needed to get out of the room).

So, there were the rules, but there was also the fact that it wasn't one-on-one therapy.  I would not only be talking to a counselor, but all of my peers as well.
NO THANK YOU.
I was never comfortable enough to share anything about myself that was personal.

Once I graduated, later down the road, one therapist I was seeing had suggested group therapy.
Actually, more like tried to force it down my throat.
My father was also pushing for group therapy.

While I knew that the rules would probably be different considering that I'm an adult and it's with other adults rather than a group of teenagers, there was still the initial point of conflict which was:
I just am not comfortable with sharing ANYTHING personal with a group of people.

Even talking in a group of people is difficult for me.  When I'm at a social gathering or a dinner, I usually find myself a little niche of perhaps 2-3 people I'm willing to communicate with...and even that's exhausting.  Plus, I still wasn't sharing anything personal like they'd expect at therapy.

The only thing I ever shared at group was an attempt to share my love of anime and drawing, but I wasn't that great of an artist back then, so obviously my artwork didn't get much attention (neither positive nor negative), so I gave up on that as well.
After just a couple sessions, and the entirety of 12th grade, I just sat there with that anime character keychain in my pocket (or a yo-yo at one point, though I couldn't use it; some sort of toy) and waited for it to be over while I tried to keep myself stimmed enough to not need to draw attention to myself by leaving the room.


Group therapy isn't for everyone.  If folks want to encourage social skills and prowess in people with social disorders, I honestly don't think that a setting like group therapy is a good one.
Personally, I believe that it should be a setting in where the person feels they have some sort of common ground; like an anime club, for example.
With something like that, a person with ASD can at least talk about their interest with others who are interested, and it's not only easier to break the ice (heck, I've talked to random people when I used to go to anime conventions back in high school) but to feel more comfortable talking.

I don't agree with therapists who try to shove group down the throats of people with social issues (be it ASD, ADD/ADHD, anxiety, etc).
To me, it's like they're saying:  "I have no clue how to deal with your issues or help you, so I'm pushing you off on another counselor whom you don't know with a group of people you don't know and have never met."

Again, I'm more for trying to find something the person is interested in and go from there.  Do they like something which is a big or broad enough subject to have conventions they could go to?
Are there any clubs in their area which also shares in that interest or is made for that interest?

Those are better techniques than forcing group therapy on people who, quite honestly, probably aren't benefiting from it at all.


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ZoraTheTwilightDrake [2020-06-26 15:36:37 +0000 UTC]

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RensMeerkat [2017-12-28 18:11:10 +0000 UTC]

Whenever I would talk in group therapy situations, they would yell at me for talking too much or about the wrong thing. Eventually, I would just start fights and or just scream like I was being killed the WHOLE time in order to make them kick me out.

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mdchan In reply to RensMeerkat [2018-01-03 20:52:53 +0000 UTC]

That...is genius. 

I just kept asking to use the bathroom; it was amazing nobody had me tested for bladder issues.  XD

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RensMeerkat In reply to mdchan [2018-01-03 21:22:13 +0000 UTC]

I also was forced to go to a special needs summer camp that I didn't want to go too. I would just SCREAM all night long and keep everyone up until they realized I was just going to do that until they called my parents to come get me.

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NuclearBurrito [2016-10-18 03:53:05 +0000 UTC]

It seems like not permitting anyone to hold anything or move around would be counter-productive, though I guess the people organizing the group could have not been aware about the way autism and/or stimming works.

I've never understood group "therapy" either (or whatever the heck they called it). From what I remember, it was exactly how you described it towards the end: something shoved down the kids' throats. Of course, that could have just been my point of view, as everyone else seemed fine with socializing while I sat at the end of the table and silently questioned the logic of the situation. And honestly, simply being around a good friend or a group of good friends can be more "therapeutic" than anything any counselor has ever offered.

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AspiePie [2016-09-05 16:16:31 +0000 UTC]

Yep!

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seratum [2016-09-02 21:34:04 +0000 UTC]

He shouldn't have to do that if he doesn't want to...
But what do you think of using robots for autism therapy? Have you heard about that idea? ^^

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mdchan In reply to seratum [2016-09-03 02:33:44 +0000 UTC]

I've never heard of that.

I personally actually probably wouldn't like it. 

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ProBubLie [2016-09-02 15:44:42 +0000 UTC]

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mdchan In reply to ProBubLie [2016-09-03 02:34:19 +0000 UTC]

I think one on one is much better for folks on the spectrum. 

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landonbay [2016-09-02 11:37:30 +0000 UTC]

I had a counselor, but that's it.

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refield [2016-09-02 03:32:56 +0000 UTC]

They attempted to get me into a "class" in high-school that was a thinly veiled group therapy.

I was insulted, especially when they wouldn't take my answer, "I don't want to be here, and I don't want to talk to you," at face value.  I was able to transfer out in a week after I made it clear at my IEP meeting that I would gain no value and I would not cooperate in the wasting of my time.

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mdchan In reply to refield [2016-09-03 02:35:19 +0000 UTC]

At least you managed to get out and you knew it wouldn't be of any help to you!

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refield In reply to mdchan [2016-09-05 02:27:44 +0000 UTC]

I'm curious about something, but I don't know if it's appropriate to ask publicly.  May I send you a note?

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mdchan In reply to refield [2016-09-05 20:23:13 +0000 UTC]

Go ahead!  ^^

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refield In reply to mdchan [2016-09-06 03:36:29 +0000 UTC]

It's a bit of a long one.

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mdchan In reply to refield [2016-09-06 03:43:00 +0000 UTC]

That's okie.  It's late where I am currently, so I'll just check it tomorrow, then.

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Slimy-Pennies [2016-09-02 00:07:57 +0000 UTC]

i'm honestly more interested in your story than the actual art X'D

aw man nobody ever made me go to group therapy, thank the lord, but that sounds like hell

i agree that it's easier to talk when everybody has some sort of common ground, i once joined a massive group skype chat over our combined love of td and made some of my best friends........ i'm blessed................

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mdchan In reply to Slimy-Pennies [2016-09-02 02:10:31 +0000 UTC]

Not sure how I should feel about that first line.  XD

What's "td"?

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Slimy-Pennies In reply to mdchan [2016-09-02 02:17:27 +0000 UTC]

crap, forgot there's people who don't suffer in td hell

it's total drama, an admittedly mediocre canadian cartoon that i adore because i have trash taste i have so much trash in my mouth bleh bleh gross

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mdchan In reply to Slimy-Pennies [2016-09-03 02:35:49 +0000 UTC]

Ahhh.  If we get that over here in the US, I'm not aware of it since I don't watch TV.  XD

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Slimy-Pennies In reply to mdchan [2016-09-03 02:47:38 +0000 UTC]

fun fact: after the first season, every season premiered first in the us, usually by a couple months :')

blessed be the internet, my dude, blessed be the internet

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FluffySnuffy [2016-09-01 22:22:40 +0000 UTC]

They wouldn't let you stim or leave the room?? What the HEY! I had group therapy at school, and we were allowed to stim, leave the room, but then it wasn't social stuff it was normal therapy, I knew all the people, including the therapist, at a place I loved. But I will DEFINITLY agree that most group therapy wasn't as good as what I did. Fer sure.

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mdchan In reply to FluffySnuffy [2016-09-02 02:12:56 +0000 UTC]

To be fair on their part, I wasn't diagnosed with ASD at that point in time (if people had known back then what they do today about it, I would have had the diagnosis; since most people thought it was still linked to Intellectual Disability back then, I was never diagnosed.  Asperger's only started to really surface around the year 2000, and then information on autism seemed to start to come more into the light).

Leaving the room was allowed, but we really weren't supposed to do it; I suppose they were trying to prevent truancy, because that's a "class" I definitely would have found excuses to skip.  >.>;;

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FluffySnuffy In reply to mdchan [2016-09-02 02:51:40 +0000 UTC]

Ohh, that makes sense. Still it's odd they wouldn't let you stim.

My school was pretty understanding you were allowed to not go if you felt you wouldn't be able too. But Voyager is the BEST PLACE I love it there! I got pretty lucky in what program I was put in. I know a lot probably weren't as good.

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RensMeerkat [2016-09-01 21:52:11 +0000 UTC]

I've always heard that group therapy is one of the worst things you can do for an autistic person. Whenever a shrink or someone suggests it, I drop that shrink like a rock. I refuse to see a "therapist" for lots of reasons but that's a major one. They're all stupid and have no general knowledge of Asperger's and half of them have never heard of it.

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RensMeerkat [2016-09-01 21:41:13 +0000 UTC]

Try to put me in group therapy and there will be war.

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mdchan In reply to RensMeerkat [2016-09-02 02:08:36 +0000 UTC]

When a prior therapist kept trying to shove me into group, it was definitely a battle point in which I emerged victorious. 

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RensMeerkat In reply to mdchan [2016-09-02 11:14:07 +0000 UTC]

I call them first and make them give me an short essay on AS before I agree tobgo to them.

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RensMeerkat [2016-09-01 21:40:18 +0000 UTC]

Was that truly group therapy or group torture? 

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mdchan In reply to RensMeerkat [2016-09-02 02:09:09 +0000 UTC]

Other people benefited from it and were able to talk; I'm just not one of them.

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RensMeerkat In reply to mdchan [2016-09-02 11:14:45 +0000 UTC]

Some AS people might,bit i was never one of them.

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StaceyJulAlexandria [2016-09-01 21:13:52 +0000 UTC]

I hope you're doing better now

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