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Published: 2013-07-27 13:37:03 +0000 UTC; Views: 4960; Favourites: 13; Downloads: 0
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Obvious Note: I don't own Arby n The Chief nor Halo or MachinimaI know Chaos Theosis made themselves public and threatened the Online Multiplayer Network, and I think Season 7 is pretty good, but there's a contradiction between the last two seasons of Arby n The Chief, if you think about it.
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While this is pretty late though Jon's been reuploading the episodes to his youtube account makes this aged old discussion a bit more relevant now!
I guess as you said, Chaos Theosis went public and ran amok as cyber terrorists while Eugene and his group are a bunch of nameless nobodies that just suddenly showed up with one day with fragban, struck a few custom games to tread the waters, then went into matchmaking and crashed a funeral. The fact that Eugene did not name his clan to keep anomoly up helps matters. I think that they were so low key that while Colin complained about Arbiter and the Chief being such high profile characters recognized by the community, that for the most part even in season 8, that most aren't all that certain that they helped Eugene brick hundreds of consoles. Plus the clan just quietly disappeared after Arby and Chief turned on them and things went back to being normal. I guess to think about it, the OMN did not know what the hell was going on until Arby sent them an anomalous tip and the fragban files.
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Like you said, Chaos Theosis made themselves public; they openly announced what they were doing, made threats, and acted upon them. They were an organized group of cyber terrorists.
Eugene's gang was just five players who were banning players at random and without any sort of motivation other than sick amusement. They didn't pose quite as much of a threat as Chaos Theosis.
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Eugene and co. were chumps compared to Chaos Theosis. Eugene and co. just ran wild, but really didn't do all that much in the long term. Chaos Theosis struck at key targets and effectively took on the network itself.
At least that's my Chaos Theosis biased excuse anyway
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I can see that, but they talked about possibly pulling the plug before they got to their main server. With the four of them working together on the same random servers, they didn't cause as much damage and did so in a few days. Eugene and his mods ended up causing possibly $1,000,000 worth of damage banning consoles after doing so for six weeks.
One argument in Jon's favor is that Chaos Theosis took the credit card and other personal information from those they banned, and there was no suggestion that Eugene and co. simply banned people from the network. While Chaos Theosis caused more damage banning individual consoles with their hacks, Eugene and his clan was still able to drive off a lot of angry customers after 6 weeks of work, causing a lot of people to stop playing online for fear of getting banned.
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It's also possible that the network didn't 100% know that Eugene and co. were a single group. They didn't really have a name, for all anyone knew, the sudden spring in bans was not an organized group. There was probably some kind of investigation going on, but no concrete evidence as to who they were specifically. Chaos Theosis rather obviously set themselves up as a terrorist group to increase the terror factor.
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Maybe, but it kinda seems ridiculous that they'd only consider shutting it down because of a group practically admitting they're cyber-terrorists than when lots of bans are going on and they can't figure out who it is. The mysterious bans should be more terrifying since there's no way of knowing who did it.
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The attack on the TOSERS base probably had a bit to do with it. That was a big deal and essentially declaring an attack on the OMN itself. That was when they began considering shutting down the network.
Alternatively, there was just a change in management and the new guy isn't so quick to pull the plug
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That's possible.
Perhaps. Different managers, different methods. lol
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Who do you think would win a fight between Chaos Theosis and Eugene's Clan? I lean towards Chaos Theosis because of the numbers advantage and the fact that only Colin is really smart on Eugene's team. I'd say it's something like
Clyde>Kylie=Colin>Eugene>Adam>Tyler>Duncan
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That's a good question. I was wondering myself. There is the numbers advantage for Chaos Theosis, but I think Colin might have the slight edge over Kylie since he knows how to use ricochet shots as if he was playing pool, and could definitely spot her with her active camo. I think Tyler has to be really close to Adam and/or Duncan, and I don't know where Eugene and Clyde are with each other. I've thought of a fanfic where Eugene's clan (or Colin) gets fragban during Chaos Theosis's attack on the OMN, which is how Colin was able to create the updated software 2.0.
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Colin is better than Kylie, in retrospect, but he's not as good as Clyde. Clyde missed none of his shots, Colin missed two or three attempts against the Falcon. Eugene's skills aren't shabby, but they aren't great, unlike Clyde, Colin, or Kylie.
That's an interesting idea for a fic, definitely. The two douche groups
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True. And there's the strength in numbers. Arbiter and Chief had to gang up on them one at a time, and could barely stand up to Clyde. Chief fragged Kylie because she underestimated him. Of course, Arbiter, Chief, Cody, and Cameron were able to hold their own against Kylie, Duncan, and Adam for a few minutes with the tank, so we can assume that the clan is at least as good as Arbiter, Chief, Cody, and Cameron without the hacks, though Adam may have had to rely on the hacks, while the other three had skill. It's hard to determine Duncan's skill, but since he was supposedly MLG, he might be above Adam, even slightly. In a battle, Eugene's clan and Chaos Theosis would probably be close, but Chaos Theosis would probably win from the strength in numbers.
I'm wondering if I should have them fight or not. I've considered trying to have Colin pick up Adam. XD
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Adam I think is better than Duncan. He brings up Duncan's MLG as a bit of an insult against him, as if it's not worth his time. Now, Adam is cocky enough to say that even if he were worse, but Adam performs better than Duncan. I think that might be due to his disposition. Duncan doesn't really enjoy the whole thing, he just does it because he thinks its necessary. Adam, by comparison, throws his heart into it and thinks the whole thing is awesome, making him more motivated.
Colin's interactions with Adam would be hilarious. I'm sure Adam would be only all too willing to get snapped up. Actually, that would provide good motivation for a fight. Apparently, Clyde was going to be revealed to be Adam's brother in a deleted scene, so he'd have a personal reason to settle it out with Eugene and co. for tricking his brother. I think a fight would be quite awesome, if only for the banter from Adam, Colin, Tyler, and Duncan
Also, another thing worth noting, Adam might have taken a serious level in badass in Season 8. It's not confirmed that he's returning, but it seems likely. I say this because Claire brings him up by name and calls him "the worst of them all", the ending credits sounds a bit like the Chaos Theosis theme reworked, and the villain in the teaser has similar armor.
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Indeed. I think it's interesting that the biggest sexist on the planet, also a total asshole, had a moral issue with what they were doing. But I guess we all have to have SOME values and lines.
lol it certainly would. Oh, and while Eugene's clan may not be as deadly online as Chaos Theosis, Eugene's clan is spread through the entire internet, apparently. Able to hack into your accounts without Frag Ban. Also, Tyler can find out where you are by your digital image. One thing's for sure, they would probably get revenge on them if they get their account information taken. lol I remember that haha. That would explain why an 8 year old was allowed to join them to begin with. Of course, Adam might be able to tell that Colin is a pedophile. XD That would be interesting.
I just watched the episode. I didn't realize it finally aired. XD It's a possibility. We might catch glimpses of Eugene, and Colin might return.
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Duncan is the kind of guy who respects power. Hence, he respects Kylie because she's a really good player. Now, the problem with him is that he puts untenable standards on other players since they lack the hacks and he doesn't make the connection that the girl players he rags about are just as good/bad as the guys he mows down.
The hacking thing was mostly due to Colin. I can't imagine Tyler or Eugene knowing anything about how to hack things. While Colin can hack into accounts without fragban, he was unable to connect fragban to the hacking into accounts thing. That means that SniperDeathAngel(the guy who provided Chaos Theosis with their hacks to begin with) is more competent with his hacking, presumably. Adam would probably be able to tell what Colin is. He did call one of the cops a "fucking pedophile", so he's aware of what a pedophile is. I wonder what kind of family life Adam and Clyde had?
Colin and Adam teaming up would be interesting, actually. Those were the worse of each arc. Colin's hacking could explain what exactly it is that Arby is talking about and Adam is practically confirmed already.
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I have noticed. He suggested Kylie might have a penis lol but overall said she's the exception to the rule and the best chick he's ever met.
Really? Colin was the reason? I thought Eugene had certain members who knew a few people. That's possible, and at least no one's lives were ruined from being banned. Yeah, so he wouldn't be tricked like that 9 year old kid would've been. XD Well, they probably have a single mother and that Adam is simply a spoiled brat.
That would be interesting. I wonder how old Adam would be or how he got out of juvy?
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Well I assume Colin was the reason, given how he said he had been working on it and didn't bring up anyone else. If Eugene had other connections, you'd think Colin would have said something like "we worked on it". In regards to Adam's homelife, maybe Clyde lives with the father? It would explain why he didn't immediately know something went wrong with Adam.
If I'm not mistaken, the series has been in real time. So that means if Adam was 8 in 2011, when he was sent to juvy, then he'd be 12, maybe 13 if it's not exactly four years later
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Perhaps, but Colin said that "the tentacles of the clan have a reach that would probably shock [Arbiter]", and that Eugene and his "faceless army" bailed him out of trouble, probably caused by his pedophilia. It's possible Clyde lives with his father. Adam did say that his father walked out on his mother, and he could've taken Clyde with him. Though, the rivalry between the two parents would have to be really REALLY strong for Clyde to not know that his kid brother was sent to juvy.
It's possible. I'd say one would think juvy would help improve his behavior, but a lot of criminals started out going to juvy, and a good percent of them aren't afraid of going back. Nowadays, the justice system is more focused on incarcerating people (including kids) than rehabilitating them. So much for it being good for Adam. XD
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It's possible there were other clan members at some point, but for some reason or other, they just kind of broke up until it was just Colin, Tyler, and Eugene. That would explain Colin's claims along with the lack of presence of anyone else. Eugene's got "friends", but they aren't so close. Clyde was fragged less than a day after Adam was fragged, it's a very short timespan and I'm guessing the mother wouldn't be too quick to communicate that(it'd be a very awkward conversation).
Well being in juvie is better than continuing to be a cyber terrorist. At least in juvie he won't get further mixed up with unsavory types likes SniperDeathAngel
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Oh, I think there's still more. Eugene and Tyler were the co-moderators. You get to see the other members in Season 7 Episode 3. At least, it can be assumed they were members. Yeah, but one would think that it would warrant a phone call or something. My parents are divorced, there's tension between the two, but despite that, they'd tell each other if one of their sons was arrested. Especially how "involved" my father tries to be in our lives.
True, but it's possible that he's learned nothing, except how to not get caught. lol
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It's possible that the dad just walked out and it wasn't an official divorce. That's considerably more traumatic and could possibly explain some of Adam's behavioral issues.
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It could. That old cliche where sons treat their mothers horribly because the fathers aren't involved. Hell, some fathers train their sons to disrespect their mothers.
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You do machinmia? I've seen the youtube videos. Hilarious. XD
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No, I do not. But thank you lol.
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Oh, okay. Oh, and thanks for the Llama badge!!
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Chaos Theosis did it on a public scale, as terrorism, while Black's clan did it just for shits and giggles and tried their best to remain undetected
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As I've pointed out earlier, but I still don't understand why it takes saying "Hey, me and my clan are going to do this if you don't do that" to get them to consider shutting it down.
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Good point, but didn't the bans Chaos Theosis place also retrieve personal information as well, making them more harmful and dangerous?
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I see your point, but still.
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Yeah. I mean, I understand they don't wanna risk their customers getting their personal information hacked and used to ruin their lives, but wouldn't you feel like you were ripped off if you were banned or heard of a banning spree, and nothing was being done about it? Believe it or not, a Gold account cost money too after the console's first one month free trial, so you'll inevitably have to pay more than just $200 dollars.
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Wow. Yes, indeed I would feel ripped off.
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Exactly. btw you remember that kid who's uncle spent their annual food budget on an xbox? How does the kid survive without dying of starvation, besides consuming his rapist's seed?
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I do not know. But then again, the series is staged/fake, is it not? And fiction does not always tend to agree with logic. With what the kid feeds off of, the better question would be of what food source the uncle continues to live on.
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Interesting. Yet Jon tries to make it look real lol Aside from the animate toys.
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Half the shooting is done at his apartment while the other half is done on an electronic device. (PC, Xbox, PS3, etc.)
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