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moonlitinuyasha1985 In reply to MegumiTakani13 [2018-07-04 12:43:48 +0000 UTC]
Oh, no. God, no. I don't like the 2017 version. I never saw it, and I never will.
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MegumiTakani13 In reply to Moon-Shadow-1985 [2017-08-19 15:36:49 +0000 UTC]
What 2017 version? Haha... Me too, i only love the 1991 film, each to our own i guess, i just didn't warm up to the new version, i still think the original belle is the most gorgeous, beast is really cool and badass and i still have bit of a crush on the prince... I felt bad he was being bashed and all but he is still my favorite.
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imAlligator [2017-07-05 04:18:18 +0000 UTC]
Awesome work! I love the perspective and their expressions, so beautiful <3
I know what you mean, I didn't like the new one. I felt like it had no heart, the acting was kind of, robotic, and it had nothing really special about it.
I totally respect those who liked it, but I will always prefer the original
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MegumiTakani13 In reply to imAlligator [2017-07-05 16:14:46 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much... I'm thinking the prince looked a little too happy but who wouldn't be? he broke a spell ang got the girl lol
You are right about the live action... It's not my cup of tea either but i dont have problems with people who do. It just lacks charm and emotions... It has the most unconvincing "i love you" I've heard, i felt like the enchantress just said "meh...works for me..." and lifts the spell and the transformation is just "so-so" the animated version made me held my breath everytime i watch it happen, the gracefulness of it and when the prince emerged looking confused... Just perfect...well he's got a big nose but oh well, he is my favorite prince.
The scene where the beast lets belle go was extremely heavy and dramatic in the animated one, the pain he was going through was so heartfelt and the way the beast looked almost like a man, you can totally see the prince in there somewhere...his eyes were very expressive, the new one was like "meh, go to him".
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imAlligator In reply to MegumiTakani13 [2017-07-08 17:19:43 +0000 UTC]
I know what you mean, I always feel emotional with the animated transformation scene, it was always so touching. But the live action one was just so.. emotionless. None of it felt real. And The Beast letting her go in the new one wasn't touching at all. And he didn't actually say that he loved her at that time like the old one. Instead, Mrs. Potts is the one that says, "Because he loves her.." And it makes his emotions seem, not as real.
It just seems like the new one lacked everything the old one had, and it made it a not so great movie. I didn't care for the actors either, and I feel like if they had changed belle, it might have been better. Don't get me wrong, I love Emma Watson, but she was not the best choice for Belle.
And I feel really sad that this is the Beauty and the Beast that kids now are going to be growing up with. They're totally missing the beauty and the magic the old one had
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Moon-Shadow-1985 In reply to imAlligator [2017-08-18 04:33:48 +0000 UTC]
I second that emotion.
And, yes, I also agree with your judgement on Watson's Bells, Watson's Belle wasn't right; in the original fairytale, Beauty's supposed to be more like Jane Bennet (and her sisters like Caroline Bingly and Louisia Hurst), and in the 1991 animated film, Belle's more like Elizabeth Bennet and Luna Lovegood, a free-thinking free spirit; but Watson's Belle's more Lydia Bennet and Hermione Granger, too aggravating for me.
The 2017 film was, is, and always will be, a colossal flop and cockup!
I mean, where to start, the plot, the characterizations/acting?:
* They said that they would address things/goofs from the original (like Gaston falling into mud, when there's no mud to be seen around Belle's cottage), but, instead of doing that to any real degree of satisfaction, they just created whole new ones; for example:
* Why was the prince selfish in the first place? Because, after his loving mother died, he was left defenceless against a cruel father (what happened to the King (why wasn't He cursed?) wasn't revealed). Why wasn't the cruel king punished, too?
** Why did the Enchantress warn the king against his treatment of his son, and then punish the son; where's the justice!?
* Belle's father, Maurice, isn't an aspiring-inventor; he's a music box maker and something of an emotional cripple (like Moana's father ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moana_(2… ), who are suppressive of their respective daughters, trying to keep them in the village/on the island, respectively. Granted, they both (Maurice and Tui) emotionally traumatised (Maurice by his wife's death from plague back in Paris, and convinced that the countryside is safer; and Tui by the death of his best friend when they tried sailing past the reef that separates a lagoon from the open ocean), but their essentially making demands of their daughters without, really, giving a good reason as to why.
* While Maurice isn't the inventor, Belle is shown, early in the story, to have knack for building 'labour-saving devices' (donkey/horse-powered washing machine/barrel), which then doesn't get mentioned again in the story (so, what was the point). In material/interviews released in anticipation for the release, E. Watson's practically bragging how they'd taken Maurice's disposition for inventing and had given to Belle under the pretence and superficial impression of 'empowering her'. Belle's being taken more-&-more away from the educated, genteel-raised girl/young woman from the original fairytale .
** I also don't like that they're taking Belle further and further away from the extensively-educated and accomplished genteel young lady from the original fairytale; these days, they just seem to throw around the description "feisty young woman" around, 'till it loses all meaning, like a broken record.
* Can one, who'd seen the 1991 film, actually see an egotistical narcissist, the likes of Gaston, consenting to join the army from the bottom dregs and take orders from others... ...More likely, I think, that he'd just stole a uniform and lied about his exploits...
** "There was originally talk of a sequel, where Gaston had a younger brother, named "Avenant" (named as a nod to Belle's unwanted suitor from French poet and filmmaker, Jean Cocteau's, 1946 adaptation of "Beauty and the Beast"), who would seek revenge for his brother's demise (and establish himself as superior to Gaston (their late-father's favourite), and finally stepping out of his shadow, once and for all); this idea was, instead, recycled for the "The Little Mermaid" sequel, "The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea", with Morgana, sister to the late Ursula, claiming to be seeking revenge for Ursula's death, but really wanted to succeed where Ursula (their mother's favourite daughter), had failed."
** While Gaston, the firstborn son inherits the family tavern, 'Avenant' a/the younger son could have gone off to seek his fortunes and joined the army as a grunt; that is more believable, and has precedents; janeausten.wikia.com/wiki/Colo… & www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ppd… . Younger sons either went into the clergy, law, or the army. This would have made for a good/decent idea for a sequel for the 1991 film, if Gaston had a younger brother (or brothers (it could have been called "Beauty and the Beasts"); I mentioned in a conversation, here ( morloth88.deviantart.com/art/W… ), with Morloth88 ( morloth88.deviantart.com/ ) and Darkwater-Lady ( darkwater-lady.deviantart.com/ ), see what you think, and, please, let me know what your thoughts are about it).
* While the film brings back the sub-plot of Belle asking a father for a rose, and then the Beast imprisoning Maurice for taking a rose without permission, and then gives Belle the chance to take her father's place, the Beast then become dismissive of Belle because she's "the daughter of a Thief" (but when she refuses to have dinner with him, he throws a temper tantrum and declares "if she doesn't eat with me, then she doesn't eat at all", conveniently forgetting that he'd initially dismissed Belle as a dining partner in the first place). It's like they tried to slam plotline from the original fairytale and the original film together and just expected it to work.
The whole way that the Belle and the Prince/Beast felt more forced, like they were set-up all along; herded together. It just doesn't feel right. Maybe, years from now, they'll do another remake, and, maybe, this time, they'll get it Right.
What do you think?
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MegumiTakani13 In reply to imAlligator [2017-07-09 01:51:09 +0000 UTC]
I missed that Mrs potts said he loves her... Maybe i spaced out, but that's weird... I loved that scene in the animated one and the fact that cogsworth looked like he is about to give his master a piece of his mind.
I don't think the new version will withstand time, it'll be forgotten... I think it only made money because people knew the original is very good, we thought we were going to get the same feels.
When i have kids i will show them the animated version not the new one... My 7 yr old cousin likes the old version better because she said beast looks like a big teddy bear in there, she said the new one looks like a devil.
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KaDeana [2017-06-18 09:23:22 +0000 UTC]
I prefer the original, as well. The live action one just didn't have the spark/magic/spell the old one did. I also found the actress that played Belle to be creepy and since Belle is my favorite princess, that was disappointing.
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MegumiTakani13 In reply to KaDeana [2017-06-18 09:37:24 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for saying that... Take the words from my mouth...actually I'm just afraid to say it, you know how some people react if you have a different opinion.
I was quite disappointed too, they all like cosplaying the character, if there is a good thing i got from it is that i realized how much i love the original.
Anyway, is the prince's name really Adam? Even the 2017 fandom is calling him that...i love the name for him though.
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KaDeana In reply to MegumiTakani13 [2017-06-18 10:02:37 +0000 UTC]
You’re welcome! I’ve been disappointed in all of live action movies. Some of the characters (mostly the male ones), the writers just butchered for no reason at all and it started with Maleficent for me and continued on into Beauty in The Beast. I didn’t see the Alice movie so I can’t be an accurate judge on that one. Belle was the most disappointing princess of the live action franchise and I’m kind of upset about it. I’m just left with what ifs and then just go back to the cartoon(s).
I just looked up the prince and there seems to be conflicting reports on the issue of his name. Some say that he was never officially given one during the filming of the original movie but Paige O’Hara said that during the filming of the movie that she heard some produces calling him Prince Adam.
There is one of the animators who said his name was always Adam and it had a biblical inspiration, at least to him, during the time of the beast’s transformation into an a man. The beast became a new man. A new creation!
I like that the name has a deeper meaning than I ever knew.
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MegumiTakani13 In reply to KaDeana [2017-06-18 10:40:09 +0000 UTC]
Up to this point i never cared about live action adaptation...until they touched beauty and the beast, i guess there's no point in complaining...it's already there but from what it looks like...it'll be forgotten soon enough so I'm not really worried. The animated belle will always be my belle and the beast is the fluffy brown darling from 1991... The prince has always been my disney crush growing up , i would say i like the prince in the new movie but he is forgettable.
I'm very hesitant to use the name adam but it's very awkward to call him beast... I've always wonder why belle never asked but i guess they did it so we could separate the prince from the beast... I also thought that they killed the beast to hint that the prince is a different person than the beast... And gosh i love the transformation!
Whoever proposed the name Adam is a genius... The name means man which the beast eventually turned to both physically and mentally.
Beauty and the beast is such a treasure, it makes me cry.
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KaDeana In reply to MegumiTakani13 [2017-06-19 09:29:17 +0000 UTC]
Agreed. ^_^
It has yet to be dethroned as my favorite Disney movie.
I think in the live action Cinderella movie, they did a better job with the prince than the other two movies (Maleficent and B&B). What they did to the prince from Sleeping Beauty in Maleficent was just insulting.
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MegumiTakani13 In reply to KaDeana [2017-06-20 00:46:40 +0000 UTC]
I have not seen maleficent but maybe i will... Nowadays true love only exists between two girls it seems lol!
I mean being a romantic doesn't make you weak...i mean i guess that's why i love belle...she is strong and smart but very feminine, she didn't dream of a prince but understands that she also needs someone and even saved him but her lips are ready to accept his possessive kiss. Oh! Here i go...being hopeless romantic hehe
And why all those lefou x gaston fanfictions? 😄
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KaDeana In reply to MegumiTakani13 [2017-06-20 10:13:28 +0000 UTC]
They did a reluctant mother/daughter relationship with Aurora and Maleficent (which I loved), but they turned the girl's father, who was a sweet soul in the cartoon, into a villain (which I hated). They made him the reason Maleficent turned villain. Then in Cinderella they turned around and made the grand duke (the guy the king terrorized) a villain for no reason at all.
But the prince in the movie's kiss didn't wake Aurora and his hero status card was also revoked. He didn't even get a chance to help Maleficent protect Aurora when she was held hostage in the castle. After the failed kiss scene the hero of the cartoon vanished and stayed MIA until the very end (the three fairies also fell into a plot hole into the end). WTF?!!!
I can't believe people actually read fanfiction about Lefou that isn't comedy. The character was a buffoon in both versions of B and B. LOL
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MegumiTakani13 In reply to KaDeana [2017-06-23 15:32:21 +0000 UTC]
Well i thought some of the Disney princes were a little useless... But recent adaptations are just mocking them.
What have they done to our childhood Disney?
I know they are leaning towards strong independent female leads but i still want to see couples falling in love!
And i think with lefou they are just trying to redeem him...i don't dig that. He is a minor character and i hope they didn't pretend he can influenced the plot. The story will still be the same if it was just gaston.
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