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Kajm [2012-08-11 00:50:49 +0000 UTC]
Peer-reviewed paper indicating NO increase in Antarctic temperatures in 550 years [link]
Sea-level has been either stagnant or Dropping the last 8 years.
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 19:44:34 +0000 UTC]
First one - NO acceleration, and I believe I can find a number of recent peer-reviewed papers which say the same thing- and some that show it slowing down. And with NO acceleration, sea-level rise will be about 8 inches by the end of the century- which is pretty much what we got in the last 100 years, and is the extreme Low end of IPCC predictions.
Second one- great chart! Shows things Flatlining the last 2000 years.
These articles are all two years old... and Wiki is notorious for one william connolley, who has altered thousands of climate articles to support 'man-made' global warming, banned or blocked over 500 people from making corrections to those very articles (which They wrote), deliberately skewing articles on Skeptics to misrepresent their words and positions, and who was kicked off Wiki for a year because of it. God only knows why they brought him back on.
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VisualArtist-Jorn In reply to Kajm [2012-09-09 20:24:05 +0000 UTC]
Yes they are 2 years old, but since you said 8 years. They are more than sufficient to show that you are wrong.
The lines in the graph clearly show sea levels as rising, while the upward curve suggests sea level is rising faster as time goes on. The upward curve agrees with global temperature trends and with the accelerating melting of ice in Greenland and other places.
If graphs from the university of Colorado or the scientific industrial research organization is not good enough for you then we still have Nasa which said a couple of years ago that global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. And again since you said 8 years this is more then sufficient.
But I can't argue with someone when we don't even agree on the universe works.
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 20:28:07 +0000 UTC]
I listed several peer-reviewed papers to another person on this same piece, please check those out- also, I believe one of those papers is from the U of C. I also note the one chart appears to show a Decrease, right at the end of the 2010 data.
Thanks for the correction (6.7 inches, compared to the 8 I mentioned elsewhere). As recent research shows sea-level rise decelerating, that means things will fall even below the low edge of IPCC estimates.
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VisualArtist-Jorn In reply to Kajm [2012-09-09 21:17:53 +0000 UTC]
Even if that is the case 2010 is not 8 years ago. Which is what you stated and I knew for a fact was not true and showed it with three different studies.
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 21:28:36 +0000 UTC]
And the fact that I can't find the article doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have seen articles on controversial topics disappear before, most notably, one concerning a liberal democrat who spoke out in favor of sexual rights for pedophiles. But that's a topic for elsewhere....
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VisualArtist-Jorn In reply to Kajm [2012-09-09 21:39:45 +0000 UTC]
And it sure doesn't make your case any stronger, if it's this hard to find in this day and age! I showed graph after graph and data after data from NASA, the university of Colorado and The Scientific industrial research organization.
And all you have is; 'I can't find it but I have seen it somewhere!'
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 21:47:20 +0000 UTC]
So, you didn't look at any of the links I put up?
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 21:26:56 +0000 UTC]
NOwhere did I claim 2010 was eight years ago. I stated that the papers you mention, are from 2010. Other papers indicate the last 8 years have been pretty much flat, or dropping.
Can't find the blasted article, but here's one concerning the NASA sea-level rise information [link]
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VisualArtist-Jorn In reply to Kajm [2012-09-09 21:35:17 +0000 UTC]
You did state that, you said this; "Sea-level has been either stagnant or Dropping the last 8 years." And I showed with data from NASA, The university of Colorado and The scientific industrial research organization which all went to 2010 that you are wrong.
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 21:41:01 +0000 UTC]
Believe as you wish. I'm going to continue to read and watch the incoming science. Your grand-children will see oceans perhaps 8 inches deeper than they are now- or even going the other way.
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VisualArtist-Jorn In reply to Kajm [2012-09-09 21:43:28 +0000 UTC]
I never said anywhere what I myself believe. I only showed that your claim "Sea-level has been either stagnant or Dropping the last 8 years." was false.
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VisualArtist-Jorn In reply to Kajm [2012-09-09 21:57:49 +0000 UTC]
The first thing I posted the graph from the university of Colorado which used data from NASA satellites the graph ended in 2010. And we are know in 2012 so again your 8 years are false.
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 21:59:49 +0000 UTC]
And of course you haven't looked at a single one of the peer-reviewed papers I have linked to.
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VisualArtist-Jorn In reply to Kajm [2012-09-09 22:14:48 +0000 UTC]
The only thing you posted in this set of comments saw was something about Antarctic temperatures. Which has nothing to do with anything because global temperatures have risen, here it is all the way to mid 2012 [link]
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Kajm In reply to VisualArtist-Jorn [2012-09-09 22:20:45 +0000 UTC]
Then you haven't looked at all the comments, have you? I have several links posted there.
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melilotmaranwe In reply to Kajm [2012-08-11 20:03:42 +0000 UTC]
Well, if you could tell me where in the document I can find that the sea-level isn't rising, I would be happy to read it, because I searched through the document, and I couldn't find anything about the sea-level at all.
It's a well known fact that the sea-level on our planet is rising due to Global Warming, but as everything else, I suppose there are proves both for and against GW.
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Kajm In reply to melilotmaranwe [2012-09-09 20:11:23 +0000 UTC]
Recent papers which show no acceleration:
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There's a lot more on that site, one just need put the proper terms in their search engine.
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DorianECGordon [2012-08-10 11:14:40 +0000 UTC]
Nice idea! O_O Perhaps the shot is slightly blurry? A more definited picture would be better, I think. I love the way, although, the higher part of the picture comes out quite starkly!
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DorianECGordon In reply to melilotmaranwe [2012-08-10 11:54:12 +0000 UTC]
Ahahahah! x°D The human hand and how it ruins even the best planned photos! x°°°D
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