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I wanted to make such collab for a long time.Today I did it.
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The winners are
1. Natsu, extremely high difficulty
2. Erza, extremely high difficulty
3. Gray, high difficulty
4. Lucy, mid difficulty
5. This one's just stupid, Juvia one shots effortlessly.
No offense to the Straw Hats but Fairy Tail completely destroys them.
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Nah not really One Piece has been going on for a LOT longer they are just on a Higher Level of Power I could see Nami and Usopp losing unless they swapped opponents then Usopp might be able to pull off a victory against Lucy but probably only through Observation Haki.
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They really aren't on as high a level as you think. Saying that One Piece wins because it's longer is probably one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. People tend to downplay Fairy Tail while at the same time wank the hell out of One Piece. But in reality Fairy is more than capable of defeating the Straw Hats and even capable enough to defeat a stronger group like the marine admirals. Natsu vs Akainu, Gray vs Aokiji and Erza vs Fujitora would all be great matchups. Fairy Tail would even be able to take on the likes of Blackbeard and their strongest wizard Gildarts could go toe to toe with Shanks.
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Because you can't see me I'm rolling my Eyes right now.
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Wow great response (I say sarcastically), how long did it take you to come up with that? If you don't agree with me that fine, I'm really not interested in arguing. But there's no reason to be disrespectful, it shows a lack of character and honestly makes you look petty.
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The rivalry that shall never die... Either way, I love both One Piece and Fairy Tail, so I'm okay with any results.
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All of Fairy Tail members stomp Luffy and his crew. Just Natsu, Erza, Gray, Juvia or Erza alone solo the entire straw hat crew with ease.
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I'm a one piece fan but I'm not going to let my fan boy get the better of me, only Natsu's fire can hurt Luffy, Luffy has proved time and again Lightning is useless against him, and unless Natsu brings out Haki out of no where, punching, smashing, grinding, kicking, ect will do little to nothing to him, but Natsu's fire would work on Luffy, while Natsu may dodge most of Luffy's attacks, Natsu will still get full force of the blow when he was hit. In truth, it's Luffy being rubber that would prove the biggest problem for Natsu.
As for Zoro Vs Erza, I do agree that death battle left to many things out, but not just on Erza as you claim, they left out more then a couple things out on Zoro as well and I think that the fight would last much longer then that short crummy video.
One of the things they left out on Zoro was when he sliced Pica in half he was not going all out as you seem to think, in fact since the time skip Zoro has not gone all out and has in fact only been hurt once and in was mostly surprise that got him hurt, but he did not lose. and I hear a few armor's that would have been far more usefull for Erza to use then what they gave her, and how she all five of her senses and still kicked ass, with Zoro's Observation haki he would in fact fair better in a fight like that, because haki runs on the sixth sence, but I can explain how she did it if you care to know, not just that crappy "because she's Erza" answer, though, lol it equals to that. But I think Zoro would wim anyway, though Erza would be harder then any of Zoro's other enemies.
as for Gray and Sanji, as much as I like Sanji I think Gray would win, though not as one sided as you think it would be, but he would still walk away so not to hard for Gray to win.
as for Nami and Lucy, I don't know enough about Lucy but tbh I think Nami would lose.
and finally Ussop and Juvia....... I know nothing of Juvia but in a sudden fight I'm guessing she would win 10 out of 10, but if he preps it would be much harder, he once almost beat Luffy in a one on one fight when was allowed to prep, proving that just being massively stronger then him does not mean so much, but I still think she would win.
so answer is this
I'm honestly not sure is Luffy could win, I think Zoro would win but not the way his did in that crummy video, I think Gray would win but not one sided, and Nami and Ussop would lose.
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*" Luffy has proved time and again Lightning is useless against him,"*
That's one of seven Natsu's dragon slayer abilities
You do know that was the combined force of all dragon slayers right. Wendy enchants all six of their dragon slayers magics into Natsu. Like Laxus did for Natsu during their Hades battle. www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail…
Natsu was hitting Acnologia with the combined force of eight dragon slayers.
www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail…
Kind of like when Wendy enchants Erza's sword with dragon slaying magic
www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail…
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I'm well aware of Luffy's rubber body. They only offer partial protection. Physical force still works on Luffy.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Mix-… There are other examples but this one speaks for itself. Luffy bleeding from what is described several times as physical force. There's also Lucci, Franky and Oars. Sure it makes things more difficult for Natsu. But its hardly completely immunity for Luffy either.
*"One of the things they left out on Zoro was when he sliced Pica in half he was not going all out as you seem to think, in fact since the time skip Zoro has not gone all out and has in fact only been hurt once and in was mostly surprise that got him hurt, but he did not lose."*
9 arms thing right. true he does have a transformation. But unless the name of his strongest move has changed and I don't think it has.
Santoryu Ogi: Sanzen Sekai
Santoryu Ogi: Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai
That was his strongest move in base form.
*"But I think Zoro would wim anyway, though Erza would be harder then any of Zoro's other enemies. "*
Fair enough. I think armor versatility wins. How does Zoro counter the Nakagami armor cutting through space or Wingblade_Armor, swords that can cut through space and slice you up without needing direct contact
*"I'm honestly not sure is Luffy could win, I think Zoro would win but not the way his did in that crummy video, I think Gray would win but not one sided, and Nami and Ussop would lose."*
Fair enough. You brought up good points. I guess the Luffy, Zoro battles wouldn't be one sided. I'm not seeing how Sanji avoids being instantly frozen. Instant freeze isn't something Sanji can avoid after all. Assuming Gray doesn't start with that then yeah i see how Sanji could put up a fight.
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youtu.be/_BqfcwO2AD4
youtu.be/suz3vzUyrT0
youtu.be/gAUYQlpn880
here are a few ideas of what I mean.
But I must ask (because I honestly don't know here) did Natsu keep that power or does someone have to help him get him there?
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badass, but so your point is sanzen sekai isn't Zoro's strongest move then. I'm a bit lost here.
I'm not sure that's canon. But didn't Robin do most of the work there.
That was surprising strategy Usopp showed. But it seemed like Luffy wasn't really even trying to fight back. Either way Usopp can't hit someone who is intangible.
Wendy helped give Natsu the dragon slayer powers. Like Laxus did. So yeah permanent ability.
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Zoro has a few more attacks like that, just not as wide spread as those, one is Death Lions Song, only one has been hit by that and lived and that was Kuma.
as for that fight with Sanji, I was mearly using that as an example, he can make and use fire like Natsu(though no where the same level) so he could keep from instantly freezing to death, and while he too has the armor haki it is not nearly as strong as Luffy's or Zoro's, but another thing is Sanji can fly and attack with fire kicks from afar. But from what I'm guessing Gray could deal with that in time.
Its not the first time Ussop has fought someone who can't be touched(though there were flaws in the way they did it) and won after almost getting killed, and tbh he has taken more beating then Zoro and Luffy together due to the fact he is so weak. But I do agree if she has no flaws with the intangibility that it would be one sided, but he won't just drop dead either. lol but she still needs to breath and his skull Bombgrass attack makes an explosion and poisons the air.
youtu.be/l0OErqj8Dis
but tbh idk why they did the monster trio and then the two weakest members, Chopper is like Erza and can change to get best advantage in a fight, from his little brain point to his unstoppable monster point, or Brook where if he can't touch you he blasts you with found waves from his guitar or insta-freeze slice his enemies, or Franky who is really strong and can shoot a beam like Goku, ect.
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fair enough
Gray has frozen Natsu's flames, defeated Invel who instant froze Natsu, and beat E.N.D. Not seeing how Sanji's flames would do anything when Natsu couldn't. Good point on air mobility though. Gray can easily do his own "Air walk" as well though www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail…
Its water intangibility so heat and poison might have an effect. But Juvia has survived magic poison from Keyes which is deadly to everyone but especially wizards and bomb pellets would go right through her.
I would Chopper is more like Elfman or Mirajane. But I get what you mean. Strategic transformations.
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I admit that's pretty badass, but I must also ask, does Natsu's fire work under water? not saying water advantage for sanji, lol that would be a sure freeze, lol
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er not sure. Probably, Several people on the internet seem to think Natsu can use fire underwater and I think i saw him do it once. But I can't find any chapters of it. So maybe, i don't know.
Eh either way at his current stage evaporating lakes is simple.
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lol either way even outside instant freeze, sanji is out classed, though not one sided,(outside insta-freeze)
lol want to see Ussopp use king dragons roar? lol youtu.be/jC6M-G1Ay-M
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oh that scene made me laugh. I remember that one.
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lol, And why pick Nami when you can pick this? youtu.be/KHnp3oxPzH0
tbh brook would be better for fighting gray, lol he can only die if you destroy his body, and he can make his soul leave his body when he wants.
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true that is pretty cool
I guess, wouldn't brook technically count as a demon though. The whole undead thing. And he uses ice. But yeah Brook has certainly come a long way from being under Zoro's shadow.
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he's not a demon, but if he can't fight being counted as one then Natsu would be counted out as well, seeing as he was brought back to life as a demon himself( note I know this only from death battle with ace)
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Natsu is a demon dude. He is an etherious. The strongest one.
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lol I know, I was saying Brook was not a demon, but if you did count him as one and said that counts him out that it would count Natsu out too, lol
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heh heh well this was fun 
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lol yea, I've noticed many one piece fans are trolls and think just because characters that can't destroy planets like DBZ means Luffy and his crew can beat them with ease, or if they don't like the show they feel they have something to prove by saying one piece would crush Fairy Tail.
I'm not so narrow minded and as much as I want my favorite characters to win, say Luffy Zoro and Sanji, I won't ignore what all the other characters have done, main reason is we all see these inspiring characters push through what seems like impossible odds and win, but what happens when both sides are have the same kind of background and feats and fans who all want their hero's to pull through?
with the Eight dragon slayer form Natsu is much stronger then Luffy, but I think Luffy would still give him one hell of a fight, as for Erza, from what I seen and heard, while I still don't fully know her power, the only thing that would be hard for Zoro to deal with is that time space cutter, outside of that he would simply wear her down till she was out of magic, but the question is, can he dodge the TS cutter? note Zoro has not used the 9 sword style since before the time skip.
as for sanji and Gray, Gray can freeze fire, 1 point Gray. if sanji does not use observation haki to watch for that insta freeze he is dead, 2 points gray. while gray does have a sky walk of his own I can't see how its faster, but it would make it hard for sanji to attack from afar, no points either side there. so I am pretty sure gray would win, while sanji is physically stronger, but we all know its far from about physical strength.
as for Usopp, well, as the name implies, he fights best from far away(sniper) and his favorite way to beat an opponent is to scare them to death. lol, but in a no prep, up close fight, its a one sided fight. note Usopp just learned how to use observation haki but has far from mastered it and not sure is he could even use it in a fight like this.
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CurseNaruto, ichigoku, Navyguy98 are especially stupid trolls.
true, you definitely proved that you are different. I pretty much was convinced that the one piece fanbase was full of assholes with all the ft bashing and "Luffy fought Goku so he is stronger" "Luffy can destroy islands since he destroyed a ship", "Zoro is continent level" comments so thanks for that.
Even if he could dodge nakagami armor. He can't dodge swords that can slash you up without even needing to hit you directly.
Well actually Gray fought Natsu to a standstill. www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail… So Gray is most likely stronger. Devil Slayer Gray has insane physical strength.
yeah i agree Usopp has low chances. He only learned haki recently after all
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lol I agree, just because Luffy fought Goku does not make him stronger, not counting he was not alone, and goku was still fighting circles around them, the only reason they even hit him is because Goku never seen fighters like that. note while Natsu would have done better against him he still would have beat him at max with ssj1.
Luffy is not able to destroy islands, he destroyed a small island in a movie once and it was in the air so did not require nearly as much force to bust.
And only a few OP characters (maybe two or three)have ever been close to continent buster and Zoro is not one of them.
Mehawk himself, that world's strongest swordsman, is at best an island slicer, Zoro has displayed mountain and small city buster attacks but nothing more as of now, though no one knows just what his limits are yet.
and screwattack's talk of him being a speed of light mover was wrong, yes he is fast but not even close to going 9,000mph mover, lol that's crazy talk.
and yea, I'm interested in where Oda is going with Usopp and his Haki.
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heh agreed.
oh right the movie with the gravity guy.
you mean whitebeard right, the guy who shook marineford.
er Mihawk right.
yeah its moments like that when screwattack makes me doubt their "research". And the shadow vs vegeta, shadow vs mewtwo, knuckles vs donkey kong, Ryu vs Strider, Android 18 vs Ms Marvel, Metal Sonic vs Zero. Times when screwattack messed up badly or just showed pure favouritism. Cloud vs Link I didn't agree with. But they outright admitted to restricting most of Cloud's abilities so that's less bad than the others.
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Luffy. Way faster. Strength and durability is debatable.
Zoro. Stronger. Faster and more durable. No contest. Low to mid-difficulty
Sanji. Faster and possibly stronger.
Lucy. I don't like Nami, but even I can tell that Lucy wins due to the summons mainly. Those summons are her trump card. It's questionable without them. If Nami is smart, she would use her thief skills to steal her keys before she summons them. It really depends on how she approaches this. If nami steals her keys in the beginning, she would win.
Juvia. It kinda explains itself. This would just be funny to watch, because Usopp could only postpone the inevitable, but knowing him, he could keep her attention until the others defeat their opponents.
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Well for one... When has Natsu ever shown any decent speed feats? Because, as I recall... He's always speed blitz by others and then hits them after a friendship speech. But Luffy is always fighting people as fast or faster than him. Fighting against Enel who actual lightning since Oda says so. So Luffy was lighting speed in PTS. And now there are people faster and having blitz Luffy easily in gear two and Gear Four not only increase his strength greater than Gear Three, but his speed is great enough to blitz those of Domflamino who made Luffy's Gear 2 look like fodder. Natsu hasn't shown speed feats to put him on Luffy's level. He hasn't even surpassed lightning speed since it's been proven by others I've discuss with that Laxus' lightning isn't actual lightning. Not like Enel who BECOMES Lightning itself. This is my prove.
I'll admit that Gray is probably the only one out of Team Natsu who may win here. But we're talking about a guy who fights long range fighters like Gray too. So they're even in experience, the only difference being that Gray hasn't fought anyone that uses Martial Arts like Sanji. That's the main advantage that Sanji has over Gray. That's why I'll change it to 50/50 out of respect. Since Sanji had dodged attacks that are pretty instant in One Piece.
Dude. I've argued my fair share of reasons why Erza would lose and most of the 'facts' that are brought up are usually after her Friendship while can not be used in these kind of fights because a Nakama power isn't going to aid someone against someone who also fights for his nakama but on a quieter level. But this was a while ago. Not light difficulty. I said mid-difficulty. I'm not saying this alone anymore. I've discussed this with FT fans and OP fans, and we seems to come to agreement that Zoro would win in the end. And there's even a group of others that did do research on this fight and even they believe Zoro would win.
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'Argument from ignorance fallacy, Natsu has shown to been able to Evae actual Lightning speed attacks and in Dragon Force PTS, Evaded Jellals Meteor attack which moves at actual meteor speeds and that's Pre Skip alone. Post Second Timeskip, he's faster than dragons who can cross a whole country multiple times in mere seconds. Do tell me if Luffy has any speed comparable to the speed Dragons destroyed thousands of FACE Weapons across tens of thousands square Kilometer region in mere seconds.'
What? I don't want to hear that from a FT walker himself. You're wanting all of these feats based on your own feelings. What lightning speeds attacks has Natsu dodged exactly? Because last I checked. The only person who is capable of lightning speed is Laxus since he's the only one capable of using lightning effectively. Even better than Erza. When has any Dragon move that fast? Acnologia mind you, was beaten by a ship that was carrying practically everyone on it with its speed itself. Piss off with your bullshit. It's not ignorance, it's facts, if you get your head out of your ass, you would realized that no one has moved that fast other than Laxus.
'So you defeat your own argument by saying Luffy gets speed blitzed alot too when you just spent the first paragraph trying to argue Natsu isn't fast because he got speedbltized by his opponent? Okay then.'
I didn't defeat anything. I proved my point by saying that Puffy is fighting people who beats him in speed because they're faster. He blitz a good number of people faster than him after he used Gear Two. So GTFO. Remember, Lucci and Blueno who blitz Luffy in normal state and now he blitz them after using Gear Two? Yeah, I was using that arugment. Natsu is still lacking in speed. Laxus was confirmed to be lightning speed? Really? Because I looked it up and Hiro never confirmed it. Oda did confirm that Enel and any other logia becomes that very element. So post the link of him saying that. Here's Oda's word.
www.goog www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddi…
So, it's not a wank, its a fact. I would post the original source but there is SO many questions I've got to look through and I'm not about to do that, since this is proof enough.
'How utterlly disingenuous to imply Luffy was Lightning Speed PTS. It's like me saying Natsu was Lightning Speed PTS. The only form I see Luffy Lightning Speed in PTS is Nightmare Luffy form just like the only time I see Natsu at lightning speed is at Dragon Force PTs. The insane wanking on your part from Luffy comes from no proven feat he dodged Lightning attacks and Lucci who is far slower than Lightning speed being able to bltize Luffy with ease prior to Luffy getting Second Gear.'
Wow. Now who's being ignorant? Since you're most likely not going to read what I post, I'll do you a favor and post what Oda said about logias.
"Logia Devil Fruits allow a person to create, control, and transform into a 'natural' element or force of nature, depending on the fruit. The user can transform partly, or completely."
And seeing how you just say Luffy dodged Enel who is naturally Lightning, Luffy does in fact have lightning speed. So, thanks for proving my point in Luffy's evasion speed. What's sad is that you think I'm wanking when you haven't once show speed feats that put Natsu anywhere near Luffy's and you just lies just now about Laxus, he controls lightning, he doesn't become it, and mind you Lucci and Blueno was able completely blitz Luffy to the point he couldn't tag them let alone harm them. Mainly Lucci. And then Luffy activated Gear Two and now he's able to hit him with ease. Lucci is faster than Lightning since he hit Luffy on more and one occasion while he was in Gear Two. So get your memory checked.
'The stupidity and hypocrisy on your part is legendary. Eeneru is Lightning Speed but Laxus isn't even though they use actual Lightning with their attacks? Whoa you exposed yourself as a massive OPtard with this statement alone. Like I said, find me a speed feat from Luffy that matched anywhere close to the speed of Dragons in the Tatarus Arc, something Natsu easily matches post second timeskip and maybe we can talk.'
Like I said above. Enel IS lightning. Laxus controls and commands it. You saying that Laxus is lightning when he never came confirmed or was confirmed to BE lightning is like me saying that Natsu is fire when he's never became fire itself. Ace IS fire as is Aojiki IS ice and Kizaru IS light. There is a difference between being the element and controlling it and you fail to comprehend this. You're a sad excuse for a debater.
'If we're talking PTS and Frist Teismkip vs current Timeskip of One Piece, i agree it's a 50/50, currently?Not even close. Inveel is like Akoji levels of powerful and Gray managed to defeat him. Sanji is nowhere near that level yet.'
I don't know who the hell this Inveel is but he sounds like a Raditz in comparison. Secondly... What? Oh my god, please tell me you're joking... You're going to compared a man who has insane stamina and is able to freeze three days worth of water towards another island who a guy who hasn't even shown a fraction of a feat of that level? Domflamino wouldn't even fight Aojiki and you see how much punishment that character can take from everyone? Luffy, Law and others? And you're comparing Inveel to a guy that has fought for ten days straight against a guy that is Magma, his natural weakness? Man, debater with a wander of your scale is beginning to become painfully obvious that you don't know what you're doing. You're not even fought explaining how Zoro beats Erza, because you wouldn't comprehend anything except the fact that Erza would win through wank efforts on your part. Good day to you. Come back to me when you've got an actual solid argument. I'll be waiting.
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'You seem to either be stupid or disingenuous if you keep forgetting Luffy is immune to Lightning and that was his reason he even could hurt Eeneru without Haki much less beat Eneru. Show me evidence Luffy dodged a Lightning blast, even a casual one.
Man, you're so fucking stupid that it's really hard to take what you say seriously. I already told you, Enel is Lightning and moves at Lightning speed, and you ignored the fact that Enel is natural. What part of 'IS Lightning' did you not understand? When
He was blitzed in Water 7 by Blueno and base Lucci prior to Second Gear
That was without Gear Second, first of all, and the second time they fought, Luffy kept up with him at Enies Lobby. You clearly miss this fight. And Luffy was blitzing Lucci while in Leopard form and without Leopard, in fact, without Leopard form, Lucci would have lost badly.
Who are even slower than Lucci in Lepoard Zoan form and Kaku and Jabu.
How is he slowing when he overwhelmed him all throughout the fight mainly? The only reason why Lucci started to keep up with him was because Luffy was getting weaker the more he used Gear Second, so get your fact straight.
All alot faster than Skypedia Arc Zoro who also couldn't dodge any attacks from Eneru
Uh, he didn't dodge but he did react to Enel, because he fuel with rage, which is something him and Natsu have in common. Zoro react to Enel before he attack in the link I send you in the other one.
And the marign of speed and power between the Monster Tiro is very small in general so yeah nice try retard.'
The only retard is you who didn't take the Monster trio power seriously. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are very formidable when they work attack. They are muilt-city block level by themselves in PTS. Also, learn to spell.
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Even though i've shown you edivence on the contrary that Laxus does turn into Lightning
How many times much I tell you this? THERE IS A DIFFERENT BETWEEN BEING LIGHTNING AND CONTROLLING IT. And yes, you do need proof for him to be lightning. He uses Lightning, he eats lightning, but can never BECOME lightning. And hey, you're the one being retarded and saying that he turned into lightning, but he NOT actual lightning. He only use his lightning magic to enhance his speed but that doesn't mean he's actually become lightning. Dumbass.
'Bltized through 100,000 mages in seconds.'
Let's compared that to someone who cut a meteor with ease, like Doflamingo.
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Try again.
'And all this from Natsu Alone,the Spaprgian 12 have feats invidually faster than PTS Laxus Lightning Speed.'
Well, sadly none of them actually shown their speed really, and I've read the entire manga. So, they're considered slow until they shown speed feats, which mind you, everyone that Luffy has fought has show speed feats with being able to keep up with Luffy and blitz him completely. Luffy isn't the fastest, but compared to Natsu, she's faster. Try again.
'Appeal to Authority fallacy, just because it's not confirmed by the author themselves, doesn't mean it's not true. Dragon Slayer powers operate using the power of the natural elements to power themselves to fight and slay Dragons, you're also arguing with the Appeal to Ignorance Fallacy claiming Laxus doesn't move like actual Lightning.'
Actual, yes it does, you idiot. You can't ASSUME he's lightning speed just because he uses lightning. There is a good number of people who use lightning and yet doesn't move that fast. Luffy was about to keep up with Enel proving he was lightning speed, he's shit Enel more than enough times to proof that. Here's the thing... The dragon slayers USE the power of natural element, but they ARE NOT the natural element. See what I'm saying? Enel is Lightning automatic meaning his natural speed is that of a lightning bolt. And seeing how others kept up with him, being Zoro, Wyper and Luffy and several others, they are in case lightning speed in reaction.
'Laxus is traveling in these panels like actual Lightning bolts moving through clouds.Again your argument is invalid. To claim Laxus isn't Lightning Speed but Eneru is a vast level of hypocrisy on your end here.'
It's not hypocrisy, when it's magic lightning infused with his body granting him greater speed, but that doesn't make him actual lightning like Enel. Quit wanking.
And no one is disputing Odas word here, what i'm disputing an refuting is that Luffy is Lightning speed PTS because he fought Eneru, completely ignoring the facts Eeneru didn't use his Lightning speed attacks because they couldn't hurt Luffy and at no point of the fight did Luffy manage to bltiz Eneru when he turned Lightning Body. Eneru's speed without Lightning body is slower than even Buleno and you know it.
If Luffy is able to hit a man who is lightning and can travel at the speed of lightning, and is known as lightning from eating a logia fruit, what would that mean to you? That the person that was hitting him isn't lightning speed, if Luffy wasn't lightning speed, he wouldn't have been able to hit him AT ALL. Okay? Laxua isn't lightning like Enel, there is a huge difference between Enel being lightning and Laxus turning into lightning. I will say this once more. LAXAS IS NOT LIGHTNING SPEED.
'Besides by your arugments here, Natsu is also Lightning speed PTS because he dodged a casual lightning blast from Laxus that was nowhere close to Laxus full speed attacks.'
Read above. Not natural lightning. Not repeating myself.
BTW, VS Battle Wiki considers both Luffy and Natsu Lightning speed PTS, which I also disagree with, difference is that there's actual evidence Natsu actually dodged Lightning PTS as opposed to Luffy who didn't dodge any Lightning Speed attacks.
You're using a battle wiki made by fans? Bro, you have just went further down in the debating scale... And not to mention, you're using wiki... You lost this argument. Stop using wiki calculations, it's not a credible source. I've learned the hard way with defending another...
'Eitherway your slice it, i've refuted your claims with evidence that Luffy isn't Lightning speed attacks.
Luffy hitting Enel is lightning speed, he hit a lightning man who can do everything lightning can do. Speed and all. As soon as Enel is Lightning and I mean naturally lightning, Luffy hitting him make him lightning speed by default.
Another case and point against your arugment is the fact Luffy was hit by Eeneru's attacks. At no point of any ball did he dodge a single Lightning blast from Eneeru, even a casaul Lightning Blast. From the start of the fight to the finish.'
You didn't refute anything seeing how all you did was prove my point with Laxas not being actual lightning, since you can't bring evidence of him saying that he became lightning itself. All you did was ignore the fact that Enel is naturally lightning and Lighting hit him. Him being made of rubber doesn't stop the fact that Enel could have dodged him that couple of times that Luffy hit him. As I said before, Enel is Lightning. Luffy hit a man who moves at lightning speed naturally, so you failed to convince anyone.
'So techincally speaking by feats, Natsu is actually faster than PTS Luffy on the sheer vritue i could at least prove Natsu dodged Lightning*Ablet it a slower blast than normal.'
Actually, no, since PTS Natsu was far slower than he was before. Mind you, Natsu couldn't hit Laxus at all throughout their fight until Laxus grabbed him and made it so they was doing a good old-fashion fisticuffs with Laxus holding Natsu and he was losing during it and during the entire fight, while also, Laxus could have killed Natsu if it wasn't for Gajeel getting involved, so this statement was refuted. Natsu had to get saved from a supposed lightning attack that could have killed him.
Translation: You're too lazy to actually refute my arguments and you're too much of a dipshit to do your own research on feats.
Says the one who wanking like the FTard he is. You bring feats that I've already dealt with and yet, as I said above, you only show feat of Laxus with lightning enhancement, but not with his natural speed.
"Wow. Now who's being ignorant? Since you're most likely not going to read what I post, I'll do you a favor and post what Oda said about logias."
Which is entirely irrelevant to the fact wheter Luffy actually dodged Lightning speed attacks. Mashima has said the same thing about Dragon Slayers and their elemental powers so this is a moot point.
Yeah, they used the elemental power of that said slayer. Doesn't mean that they ARE the element. Unlike Hiro, Oda can take the time to explain the powers better, unlike Hiro who doesn't understand the meaning of scaling with power levels. The moot point here is that you failed to prove that Laxus is actual lightning speed, or that Natsu can even react to it. You see him dodge Laxus's lightning but at the same time, he still lost the fight if it weren't for Gajeel.
'Walker what exactly is a FT Walker ?'
'Wanker' and you are the last people I want to hear from about spelling, especially since there is a good number of misspellings in your argument. You spell Enel as Eeneru, when it's Eneru as anything. You misspelled argument. You misspelled virtue. You even misspelled disingenuous... So don't talk about my few misspelling.
'Projection 101'
Funny. Because you still haven't taken the class yourself.
'You're an idiot if you think Laxus is the only Lightning Speed character in the seires.'
You misspelled 'series'. Well, there is few people who reacted to his lightning being magical lightning, and not natural lightning. So yeah, I'm saying this because there is barely any speed displayed by the Spriggan 12. All they mainly displayed was their power, since speed isn't really one of FT strong points, yeah, Hiro never went into depth about how fast these guys are. All he id was display their magic power. Not much speed.
'So basically you're downplaying the speed of FT trying to use a ship?Again you just proved how disgienous you are.'
You misspelled indigenous again.. Not really, it's just what happened in FT, Acnologia was hit by a freaking ship. Simple as that. I know Acnologia is fast, but he's not fast to see a ship coming? I'm not downplaying ALL of the FT, I was just pointing out the fact that strongest dragon that got one shotted by Natsu in the pitiful way was hit by a slow ass ship. Did you get butthurt over that? Lol.
'Also correction it was a whole contitent within a minute, so Dragons flew acorss a whole contitent several times in under a minute. Isghal is roughly the size of Europe, going by that speed feat, it would give each Dragon around 41.6km/sec-100km/sec speed and the feat was reveatly casual speed for Dragons.'
Whoa, whoa, whoa, you can not say it is roughly the size of anything in real life especially since it's practically impossible to do that, since we don't know the exact size of it. No assumptions allowed. You also misspelled 'continent', and 'across'. But we can say that once Acnologia PICKS UP speed, he can reach up to something close to that level.
Irene who is more or less the same ballpark of Metalicana or Grandeeny had an attack speed feat of thosuands of kilometers per second and Erza who is below that was able to incpert a meteor moving at thousands of Kilometers per second.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2dY3e…
Yeah, Doffy(Doflamingo) and Law already did cut a meteor in half with little to no effort. And Zoro is able to scale up to Law who can react to Doffy's strings that cut through said meteor in as you said... 'Thousands of kilometers per second' and this was after Law reacted first.
'And Ancologia has been shown being able to effortlessly bltiz God Serena.'
Dude was a scrub... Plus this is Natsu we're talking about. Not Acnologia. Which raise a question, how did a guy like that who has EIGHT dragons to his disposal get one-shotted but yet... Natsu who only have seven dragons slayers was able to one-shot Acnologia? I sense bullshit in Hiro's writer. What's it called again? Oh yeah...PIS. Plot-Induced Stupidity.
'One of them who can grow a tree over 2,000km across and transport people across conttients within a minute which would put his attack speed comaprable to the casual speed of Dragons.'
Growing a tree that fast doesn't mean you're that fast on your feet... What the hell?
'And shown superior to Ingeel in speed and easily superior to Irene in speed and power.'
Uh, you only show Igneel getting defeated and also, for the record, this was the picture I was talking about when I said that Acnologia is vulnerable to non-magic. Funny thing is, I just finished explaining to someone how magic doesn't work on Acnologia but physical attacks do. This proves it. Igneel used his bare teeth, not magic to actually harm Acnologia. This doesn't prove that he's strong or faster than Irene. What the fuck?
'So you were saying? Ever though that airship is very fast? Seriously i love how you disgienously try to downplay speed feats attempting to lowball here , again the hallmarks of an honest invdidual.'
Oh no, I'm not downplaying their feats, I'm stating their feat that you can't prove are greater than the speed you said. Since well, you're the one who is downplaying One Piece like no tomorrow. Man, if you was to come at others with these feats as back-up, bro, you would get freaking humiliated. Seriously, Lol at your attempt of saying that Luffy isn't lightning speed, and even if he wasn't Nami used natural lightning against Kalifa who evaded it and Luffy can hit a guy who's faster than her since he master all Six Powers, so yeah.
Onto your next horseshit arugments without any facts or edivence.
You're not convincing anyone here. Seems to me you're trying to convince yourself more than others of this ridiculous wanks. Also, learn to spell.
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CurseNaruto is an Optard that goes around out of his way to bash other series and troll people. He then just starts babyraging and throwing a temper tantrum when proven wrong. No point in trying to reason with a idiot like that.
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same, got blocked by him because i called him on the stupidity of his bashing. still nice to see the optards shutting up for once.
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agreed. The Death Battle was bullshit. Just ignore it. They ignored most of Erza's feats while dickriding Zoro.
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Not to mention it was a long time ago and is pretty outdated now.
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Team Fairy Tail Stomps.
1. Natsu
2. Erza
3. Gray
4. Lucy
5. Juvia
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1.Luffy
2.Zoro
3.I dont know :/
4.I don't know :/
5.I don't know :/
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Luffy Vs Natsu: luffy should win
Zoro Vs Erza: 50/50
Sanji Vs Gray: maybe gray 6/10
Nami Vs Lucy: would be interesting, but I think lucy has better chances to win.
Usopp Vs Juvia: juvia, in my opinion.
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Natsu destroyed a mountain and kept up with massively hypersonic dragons. Luffy's best feat was destroying a town with Gear 4. Natsu pretty much stomps
Erza destroyed meteors with broken bones and has several different forms of magic. Zoro relies on his physical strength alone. So yeah Erza stomps. Erza can even use 4 swords with both hands and feet. One more than Zoro.
Gray flash freezes. Or just physically overpowers.
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Luffy Vs Natsu: Luffy due to strength and Speed.
Zoro Vs Erza: Same thing as Luffy
Sanji Vs Gray: No idea.
Nami Vs Lucy: Depends.
Usopp Vs Juvia. Depend on who goes first.
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1 Luffy hands down
2 both...?
3 Sanji hands down
4 Nami
5 it depends...XD
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Hmm... speed and destructive power? Luffy wins that one I think. But it'll be a tough as hell fight, especially if Nat uses Dragon force.
Zoro and erza... unless she uses black wing his speed will be far superior, and he can easily cut through metal with Haki. She'll land a few good hits, but in the end zoro has this.
Sanji and Gray.. really I have no clue, both are intensely powerful, and have shown about equal speed. It'll be a matter of wits likely.
Nami and Lucy... I think Lucy's spirits give her an edge. While nami is tough with her clima tact, physically she would be over whelmed.
Usopp and Juvia... I think probably Juvia if she's smart enough, but if Usopp lands his poison grass and Juvia inhales it, he wins
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Luffy VS Natsu = Friendship or hunger won
Zoro VS Erza = Sake won
Sanji VS Gray = Fangirls won
Nami VS Lucy = Money or friendship won
Usopp VS Juvia = Friendship or fear won
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