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Mikaley — I'm Pro Core
Published: 2015-08-04 16:53:55 +0000 UTC; Views: 4120; Favourites: 90; Downloads: 0
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Here are my two cents about the topic. You don't have to share my opinion, but it would be great if you could read it, it might help you understand.Also at the very end I linked 2 other journals that are better written and less angry, you might find them helpful.
Feel free to write your opnion in the comments, but only stuff that is relevant to the topic, anything else will be hidden.
I will also not really start an arguement with anyone, if what I wrote doesn't change your mind then what I will write later also won't.
PLEASE STAY FRIENDLY!
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Many cry about how DA dares to raises the prices, I saw a petition already 7000 sigened to get back to the old prices.
Are you kidding me people? Do you even understand what you are doing and what DA is. Let me show you wikipedia.
Commercial? YES
Deviantart is a company.
You might don't know... or forgot it, but haveing a website like DA cost money. Hardware, software, a running and stable internet connection and people to keep the whole system running, patching bugs, fixing things ect. Even those simple things cost money. If you think of the size of DA then you can imagine that I'm not talking about 10$ a month. How do they afford this when joining is FREE? With adds and selling stuff like points or prints (there is more but I keep this short). I for myself have an adblock, ah you too I see. Woah you and you and you too. So noone is seeing the adds, means DA is not making money with it.
They are people like you and me, they have bills to pay, food to buy and maybe even keeping a family alive and you rant about 50$ a year... A YEAR
This is not even 5$ a month. The average teenager spends more money on sweets.
They say DA raised it out of nowhere. NO. Since the day I joined the PM was on discount, the more you bought the cheaper it would get, this is now simply gone. You still save money if you buy 12 months at once compared to once each month but not as much as befor. Btw. the option to buy yourself a one month PM is gone for a while now. It's at least half a year gone, so not part of the current update.
This dicount thing is still active on super groups, here take a look:
People act as if you have to pay. NO YOU DON'T! Why don't you just stay/go back to being a normal member. Being just a member is still completly free.
Premium membership /core...ship(?) is luxery. This is not a must have. You have absolutly everything to sell yourself in your free membership.
And if you do not have the money/points to buy it, or you simply don't want to, then don't do it. Why do you rage about this. Why you make petetions for this.
If that is okay and working tell me. I'm going to make one too.
Petition: I can not buy myself a ferari cause I'm poor. #thanksobama
Help me force ferari to make their cars so cheap that everyone can have one.
You really think this works? I have absolutly no power about ferari, just as you do not have power about the content DA produces.
This is absolutly their choice and feel free to make your choice not to buy it. I will.
Why? Because I want to support this ship. I want to support the people working on this site day and night. Just because what they do is not obvious for you it doesn't mean it is not there.
Have you seen all those great updates coming our way. How our profils might look like in near future? No? Why?, Why are you always just looking at those things you don't like?
I do have the feeling no matter what DA does their members only hate, just for the sake of hating.
Last bigger update was the search option in your favourites, a feature I don't really need because I have my favourites sorted and only fav what I really really love. But however... many seemed to really love it. They wanted this for a while. But this feedback I saw. Stuff like "finally Da getting their ass up and do soething we need" or "I've been waiting for this since decades" (while this person was their for not even a year). Oh wow, that kind of feedback motivates me for sure to work more for the community.
I think a big part of the community forgets that those aren't robots managing the website. They are humans and they don't only need money but also support. Currently the community does not at all supports anything. Most are against everything.
"Oh my gosh it's an orange star I hate it, go back to the old" "Oh my god, the new logo is so ugly, go back to the old" "Oh my god the new menu is so ugly, go back to the old"
Why? Why is everything new bad? Why are you afraid of new things? Progress is such an important thing how can people live in such a modern socity but still hat everything new even if it's not taking any impact to their lifes? This is so sad.
White all this negative feedback, I can understand why DA didn't informed ous befor. The shitstorm would be kathrina level. Maybe there will be an update that explaines why, I'm eager to read it.
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My only problem with it was that they didn't tell us (regardless of their financial state). When spyed did tell us, most of the journal was about coffee and hourly wages.
BUT spyed eventually told us about it and why. I'm okay with spending $5 a month on a membership when I spend way more than $5 on other things I enjoy (and don't even use as much as deviantart).
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It's been a while since I've been on DA so the whole "core" thing is super new
The orange is a bit bright though, kinda hurts to look at, but
Why not dark green?
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I guess they wanted it to stick out....
I made my profil orange so it is kinda fitting a bit at least on my page XD
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I don't think this thing would be as huge if dA had actually told us first though; they were kinda stupid there, as they would have known the shit would've hit the fan anyway, right?
Another thing that makes this so bad is that it has followed a line of bad decisions made in the last year or so.
The price hike is pretty big though. I dunno >.>
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I don't care about core. It is just something that goes over my shoulder.
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I'm just a bit startled about the name change. Everything's been changing. "Premium" just sounded better to me, and "Core" seems like a more fitting name for, say, Senior members - those who bring together the community. But I can see where "Core" comes from; core members pay towards Deviantart's benefit. It's more of a nit-picking personal thing, like the logo change. I'll get used to it.
The price doesn't matter to me, I don't plan to become a Core member anyway. But it may matter to others, which is why they're anti-Core. I am a neutral.
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A few hours ago I gifted a Core membership to a friend that was one month, so that option may be Back? IDK
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Gifting one month was available all along, just the option to buy one for yourself isn't available I think.
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We can just create another account and gift it from there too then haha
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Ich bin der selben Meinung wie du . Ich kann es verstehen warum dA die Preise erhöht hat . Was ich aber nicht verstehen kann ist wie manche Leute sich darüber aufregen . Und so hässlich finde ich die neuen orangen Symbole auch nicht . Ist alles gewöhnungssache meiner Meinung nach .
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One thing though, we have families too, we need money too, if Deviantart wants to add another $1,000,000 of luxury by making CORE, I think they are the ones being not nice, taking money we need for our own lives.
We just want to express art, and charging money to express our art? I don't think so.
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But you don't have to pay. Devianart offers all tools to upload, comment, communicate and even make art.
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But I would have wanted the whole deal you know, I was saving points up for premium membership when there's suddenly a a ten dollar increase (on yearly) and just saving up another 10 dollars with points is so hard. Furthermore, why did they have to do it so unexpectedly? Why did they give us no warning? I think it was done on purpose so people wouldn't start to "rush buy" premium membership, the cheaper kind. Now, we're stuck with all these extra points, and we don't have enough for CORE. That's why a ton of people are doing giveaways, because they're points that they saved up are useless now.
DA Core really was a surprise attack on artists.
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Oh well okay.
In my eyes it's not really hard to get 1000 extra points together. There are so many ways to get points.
I have a secret side account where I make adoptables (I only use free linearts for them) and as long as I put effort into it they sell well.
However. I will not just up because of this price raise. I'm going to contuine raising points to give away PMs at Christmas to those that deserve it. C:
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You have finally convinced me Mikaley!! (Kinda lol.) Congratz! I agree that the deviantart people probably have families too, and need to make money. I only wish they gave us some warning instead of just doing this.
Thanks again!
#Mikaleyftw
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I only wanted a premium because the dA ads are packed full of viruses.
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Haah, I know this comment is like 3 months old already, but there's a program called Adblock. It's totally free, and it blocks every ad. c:
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i wish that we could have folders within folders for our favorites... i want to have separate folders for art of each of my oc's so i can see how much art i have.
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Oh yeah that would be indeed a neat idea XD
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and the ability to search our notes XD
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omg yusss come on already DA /)O'A'O/)
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The DA being in a financial crisis is entirely BS. And I'll tell you why.
They're pretty much the biggest art site on the internet. They get funded every day. What more do they need?
(BTW if you're thinking of hiding this comment, it will show how you pro cores are similar to Nintendrones. Screenshoted in case.)
Edit: OP is a DeviantDrone. He will blindly defend DA and will block you if he/she can't get a good argument to come back with.
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I was hiding you last comment because you were telling bullshit about DA paying for north korea.
Save that bullshit for your page.
Also please show me your proof. Yes they get paied dayly, but they also have high costs dayly
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OMG, ever heard a joke? Did it really offend you that much that you had to hide it?
The more you hide comments, the more I screenshot.
"DeviantArt attracts 35.3 million visitors monthly, according to measurement service Quantcast, and is profitable. The privately held company says it had over $10 million in revenue for 2010..."
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/n…
Over $10 million! Get that through your head. What more do they need if they're making huge amount of profits every day with paying members 24/7? Open your eyes.
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Edit: Since this terrible excuse for a DeviantDrone (Similar to a Nintendrone) can't hold up an argument and decided to BAWlock me.
That's hard to believe, I have German friends and they have humor, satire included.
Dude, if you get offended over a symbol and icon, you're a pushover.
Maybe no proof, but they still make a lot of money.
Maybe if you researched some business smarts instead of blindly defending this site, you could have learned something.
Stop white knighting for this bad excuse for a business scheme.
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I'm german and it is widly known that germans do not have humor.
Yes I still find it offensive. But your whole account is offensive and only there to piss on everyones leg.
So I will just block you I guess. I'm not eager about talking to someone who is just trying to piss me of in every possible way.
Please screenshot this and print it to hang is on your wall
Yes $10 million in revenue for 2010!
Please get this through YOUR head.
First is was 2010 now we have 2015. Five years is a thing. This is no proof of what they get by now.
So that's their income in a year.
They need to pay the people that work there, they need to pay the office, the server and what not. I never managed a bussines so I'm not sure what else could be there but I guess there is more.
10 million is not the money they have left at the end of the year! I hope for them that they make profit and can have a nice life else this whole website would be pointless for them to make.
You are the one running around with closed eyes. If you want the coreship get your ass up like them and earn $10 million.
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Not everybody can spent that amount of money in a year. But I am in the middle. And all of this is because of dA fault, they didn't comunicate that were financial broken.
Anyway if they are going to translate the site to spanish I could try to gather those 4000 points.
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//Meet in the middle comment.
read all before commenting
Personally I don't have much against it I just think that they should have the 1 month 'core'(I guess that what it be called now ??) -___- who cares if the price went up I think if they added the one month back people would be more alright with it. but it wouldn't kill them to go back to the normal price or go some where in the middle and meet a happy medium before we have civil war on DA.
DA not really in any trouble for funds it self (read all below! )
DA makes 250,798$ per day
7,523,940$ per month
and 90,287,280$ per year.
and also gets 16,720,000 visits pageviews per day.Don't believe me look for your self www.worthofweb.com/website-val…
And DA is not shutting down.
da-core-rebellion.deviantart.c…
But yes I see how it will effect staff, but what it really means is that da has to much staff for what its budget is. This is sad and I can see why they want to jack the prices up. my only advice to DA is to add the 1 month 'core' back because not everyone can afford the high pricing and it will cause less people to buy it. if you have at least one thing that most of the population can afford you will make more of an income.
To finish this off I am not supporting it and I am not fully against it I kinda want it to change so people can stop talking about it.
Hopefully DA and the people meet some where in the middle.
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Ich persönlich verstehe ja, dass sie die Preise anheben müssen. Und das eventuell auch im Zuge einer Umstellung. Das Problem für mich ist aber, WIE die Preise angehoben wurden. Ich zahle ja bewusst, um eine Leistung zu bekommen. Und ich zahle diesen Preis auch gerne. Die Leistung an sich ist aber nicht gestiegen mit der Umstellung. Eine moderate Erhöhung der Preise, zB 20% hätten die meisten wohl geschluckt. Aber eine Erhöhung um ~100% ist halt schon happig.
Das würde bei jeder anderen Firma auch nen riesen Aufriss und Ärger geben.
Und das Problem, dass sie als Firma damit haben werden, die Leute werden es eben nicht mehr kaufen. Das schadet mehr als es hilft.
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Naja die erhöhung war erstmal nur 67%. Das ist mehr als die hälfte aber trotzdem noch weit weg von 100%.
Das einziege was sie gemacht haben ist den hohen discount abzuändern. Und das bei so wenig das es im grunde lachhaft ist. Die leute weinen hier 1$ im monat oder 10$ im jahr nach. Irgendwie ist das peinlich.
Anstatt dass sie nur premium/core membern special sachen machen, sind die updates für die ganze community. Das find ich auch schön so, dann ist für alle was da.
Damit neues gemacht werden kann muss jetzt erstmal neues geld kommen, damit sich DA finanzieren kann. Bei denen steht es nämlich gerade ziemlich mies um die finanzen. Bevor DA einfach abgeschaltet wird bezahl ich lieber 10$ mehr im jahr.
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Wie gesagt, ich bin ja nicht gegen Erhöhungen. Wir haben bei uns selber die Gebühren anheben müssen, um wirtschaftlich zu bleiben. Aber wir haben auch ne morderate Erhöhung gemacht. Man hätte ja für's erste, den Discount runtersetzen können.
Und ob das jetzt zum normalen unrabattierten Preis 10$ sind, ist ja nicht der Punkt. Es ist eben effektiv fast das doppelte, was wirklich und in echtem Geld vom Konto runtergeht.
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its isnt that i feel member is a right
its the fact that the cost it much more then the worth.
they can and should make money other ways then this.
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Which way?
Would you preffer if they sell privat informations about you and all other members like facebook?
There is a lot of talk but no real idea behind it.
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no they could bring back some of the shop items they used to sell like t-shirts and such
there are many options and im not gonna list them all.
but even if they had just raised the price by a $1/100 points or so no one would be doing this
and they would be fine
the amount they are asking is unreasonable
hell they could have made core a step above membership and added new perks! Then maybe the price would be more worth it you know?
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They stoped the shop because it wasn't giving enough money. They got rid of it for a reason.
But the monthly price only increased by 1$?! So why us this a big deal.
They need money right now and cant wait another year untill they revieve it. It will be to late by then.
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If they gave a shit they could have figured out how to make more money easier.
yah but what they should have done is added a little to the price over time! 100 points IS a lot to some people on the site.
Honestly, they should have been smarter about how they ran the site. If it goes down im not gonna cry about it.
They should have figured it out a lot sooner before waitng till half the year was gone.
I wont be getting member anyways this year i have 4 months left and when thats up Im probably not gonna get it again as its not really that useful in general
all i can do its make my page a little more pretty :/ and get more stash space.
Maybe they should offer extra space for X amount of money for shashs , some people need more space but dont want membership
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Those people who think 1$ is alot are not DAs target members. 100points is a fart and kids on da should stop to undersell themself. The community would have to raise their prices all together to have acceptable payments.
But if kids don't stop working 4 hours for 10points then sorry but it's their fault if they have trouble getting 100pionts together.
They shouldn't split it. It is part of the the core thing and if they really want it they need to buy the whole thing.
If you want shoes you can only buy to together they want sell you only one or just the laces (not sure if that's the right word).
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I think what you said here is wrong in every way.
Why is it their fault? Imagine an artist that makes really good art but also has problems with getting noticed? If there is no one that notices you then you can't sell anything. But what if they still want to earn something? Finding people with a lot of money that also are willing to pay when being such a small artist is really hard so all they can do is selling their art for low prices. At least quite a few people commission them and so it adds up to be more then just a "fart" and those "kids" finally have quite a lot points or money even if they had to take 10 commissions for them.
I myself think that my art is somewhat decent. Of course I still have to learn a lot but I like it. Yet that doesn't change the fact that I have problems with getting noticed so all I can do to get at least SOME commissions is selling them for low prices. And even If you think "Why not selling them for higher prices but not getting them often?". Welp I have around 60 watchers and I have never met people willing to pay a lot so I am happy about every dollar I can get since I am going to a convention soon.
I guess that's why the price change also is a problem for some people. I would have found it really nice too to just simply save up the points but now it would take at least a year for me.
But for most of the people that is not the problem. The problem is that dA was doing all this without informing us. They didn't even make a wuick journal listing the new things and why they are doing this. And also for adding features that we never wanted and ignoring the ones we actually want.
For me the important thing is the lack of communication between dA and us.
But I am not going to list everthing now instead I would like you to read this journal The Fight Against Core
I am sorry for any grammatical errors, english is my second language
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That's the points.
I said that the community has to raise the price all together.
let's imagine we all raise our prices by (let's say 10$) what would be the result.
You could still "stand out" with your commissions because you offer cheap prices compared to the rest and yet you still have more than befor. Everyone has more.
A bit like planed invlation. But of course this will never happen, because you can not convince 35 million people (or whatever amount of people are on DA) to rais their prices for the greater good.
It would be extremly helpfull especilly if we raise the point prices.
No one will look at 400 points like.. wahhh 400 that must be a lot. More like pffft 4 bucks okay.
There are so sososososososoooo many ways to make money, to get noticed. It is way more harder on FA to get noticed because you can not spread your work like DA offers with groups.
Don't wait for people to come to you, go out and hunt for customers. That's what I do when money is low and no one is there that is interested to commish me.
I go out and find one by targeting them. Oh well but those are just ways of presenting yourself and your art and while I know people that are masters in that I know others that do not have a idea about that.
I agree that DA is not that good at communicating with us, but as I stated multiply times to other people lready, I don't think the shitstorm would be less.
Thanks for the link but I already read this befor I made my piece.
I informed myself, and read both sides befor deciding on which side I want to stand.
btw. if you feel more comfortable talking in german with me that is also an option.
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Oh I didn't notice that... >.> But for some weird reason I am more comfortable speaking in english anyways
Yeah you said that but you also said things like "100points is a fart and kids on da should stop to undersell themself." and "But if kids don't stop working 4 hours for 10points then sorry but it's their fault if they have trouble getting 100pionts together.". And I said it is completely wrong and also mean to say something like that just because some people are not able to sell a drawing of a stone with a cute expression and wings for $50. With that you also called me a "kid" asking for a "fart" for a drawing. Even if you didn't mean it like that but that is what you said and I found it was pretty rude.
But you said it. "But of course this will never happen, because you can not convince 35 million people (or whatever amount of people are on DA) to rais their prices for the greater good." Something like that will NEVER happen. But if it was that easy then a lot of problems would have been solved not only on dA but also in real life.
Welp and guess what. That's exactly what I do. I submitt my art to groups and everytime I see someone making a journal saying they want to commission someone I comment with my info. I sometimes have luck and get some people to commission me but what about the other artists? What about the ones that aren't so good and experienced yet? It's not like they can make beautiful art over night and experience as much as well known artists. Everything takes time but in that time they won't get any commissions and get rejected everywhere because there will always be someone better than them.
And about the thing with there are so many ways making points. I agree, there are for example commissions, adoptables, designs, raffles, contests, kiribans,... etc etc. But maybe some people aren't good at making designs or their designs simply don't sell even if they are beautiful. I know @/Suohh (they are also pretty well known) for example and their adoptables are truly beautiful but for some reason they just don't sell. And about raffles, kiribans,... etc. there are already so many people joining so you would need tons of luck. And even if there are more ways, the ones I stated above are all the ones I know of and I am a lot on dA and quite a while now too. It's just that you don't run across all these new ways every day or someone just comes and tells you about everything. And I recently even noticed kiribans and still don't know for sure how they work.
I totally agree with you, the shitstorm will never end but with at least a bit more communication and information people wouldn't feel so left in the dark anymore and tbh I understand them in any way for feeling like that. I mean, I went to sleep, woke up and suddenly there was this CORE thing? I thought it maybe was just a bug or something like that until I saw some journals about it. It would have been REALLY nice to at least get SOME information about what has changed and why but... nothing?
wow it is actually pretty nice discussing things with people <- first time discussing over something because of always being too scared of being mean and stuff like that //shot
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its the fact that its really hard to be noticed on da, so you cant blame them for having low prices
a lot of people started with prices like that when they start on here, its a dick move to say it like its there fault, its the only why they are making any kinda commissions. If anything they need supported so they can see the worth of there art.
Im done talking to you as i find it pointless to talk to someone like you.
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It isn't up to members to find a solution to profiting without seemingly hiding a sudden increase in cost, while saying you get "more deals" with the new update.
dA workers put their time and coding into this when no one really wants it and they are bound to lose profit, all because it was a genuinely shitty concept. Customers aren't around to supply ideas- they're around to say "I don't like this. I'm not buying it" and the producers must alter if it gets to the point where too many people are upset and they're losing money.
I don't see why it's such a big deal people are complaining about this change. Of course they're going to be upset.
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UGH thank you this issue has been bugging me for ages but I wasn't able to sit down and sort out my thoughts about it XP
You put it PERFECTLY! No one's forcing anyone to pay for this, it's a privilege not a right. Gosh x---x
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