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Before you read warning Spoilers! If you read and feel spoiled I just warned you nowww....


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Am I hating this?... heh its a mix. Still not there with all this. I feel like I went from "Samurai final redemption where Jack finally gets to go home to... NEXT ON THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS". And before a pro-shipper trashes me/bashes me on Tumblr or Facebook, give me a break. I'm human/I don't have to like this, and in all honesty talking or expressing it helps me get over it better. So thats it, you can get mad at me when I cuss/or wish worse on the show. And I don't, I accept that they'll probably get married/have babies/and that Jack will quit his quest to go home.

I THINK one of the reasons I have trouble accepting this right now. For a few reasons, one its honestly a cliche. Guys sorry it is, as much as I love Ashi and her development. It was a little obvious "First new character/ ONLY centers on her... yeap she's gonna be his love interest". Even I first thought about it when she was first introduced. But I wanted to shrug it off.

Second, was well I hate to say it a mixture of fanart/tumblr fanon ideas. When we first saw Ashi a lot saw her as a surrogate daughter for Jack. I saw fanart, I saw blogs/texts(not sure what the proper word is) of fans saying "the Scotsman would give Jack parenting tips". And lets be honest when they first met, she did act like a child.  So its kinda hard to go from that to "oh she's a legal adult, so thats good for their sexual attraction".

Third... hmm this one just came to mind. Yesss I know I've read fans tell that Ashi isn't underage.  But still she is new to the real world, this feels a mixture of force and not best. I dunno I'm gettin' a Korra vibe here. (Sorry if no one has seen Legend of Korra). She's just knowing Jack as a friend, coming to terms with the world, and then automatically its"LETS BANG NOW". That makes me think of Korra/Mako too much. You know Korra kept gravitating to Mako cause she had no real interests in her circle often.

And then there's my person reasons... because of the second. I did want a father/daughter bond, heck I wanted Jack to somehow mentor Ashi into a samurai. So that even if he dies/or alters the future. I see that being her constant path. Heck I wanted Jack to go back to the past KILL Aku and fix the future. Shut up if the future changes that means things change for everybody Scotsman and Ashi included. She and her sisters might have a different future, maybe a happier one.

I mean I have watched this show for a long time too. I thought if the show must end, it should end with Jack accomplishing his mission. GOING HOME, FIXING THE PAST. Not "Oh how dramatic lets have him give it up for love and be king/or something with babies". That feels too Disney for me, just cause its dark doesn't mean its not a Disney ending. I'm honestly gonna be disappointed if thats the case. That feels honestly anticlimatic.

(from first attempt) ... yeah just saw C .... heh I honestly still couldn't get into it. The ep felt like it was trying to say "Look more proof we're not rushing it". Knowing next week is our finale and that Jack will probably give up his attempt to go home or give up to save Ashi... I hate it when a leaker is right 8/. On the upside guess we as fans were wrong, Ashi is his kid... which kinda makes the idea more cliche. So we get a Romeo+Juilet feel except again Jack's gonna give it all up to have a young lover.... And I'm stilll not convinced that in over 50 years of his time. Jack's not looked at ONE woman. I know he couldn't think all women were that Aku form he took.

And this is more a mixture of fandom/just fans in general(fanartists), I honestly kinda hoped we'd have Ashi meet the Scotsmans' daughters. Bond and honestly I kinda wanted her to be with one of the daughters, sorry if you're pissed at me for giving into that fandom. But thats the one character I would have loved to see be a lesbian.

Edit:: In regards to the video game... thats still a no.Don't like the ship 8B.  I respect the creator's feelings but I'm sorry I roll my eyes at Ashi being his "hope" or "true love". Still don't ship them 8B. 
Okay I'm done talking 8B. Just remember guys I DONT hate this. I don't hate Ashi, I loved watching her development.  I'm just I dunno I kinda expected more from this story and the characters other than the cliche couple. But oh well, I accept this and I accept what happens.



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Comments: 49

Nikki1975 [2024-02-17 13:55:57 +0000 UTC]

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Nikki1975 [2022-07-14 02:40:03 +0000 UTC]

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Moonstone27 In reply to Nikki1975 [2022-07-14 04:55:06 +0000 UTC]

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MASTUHOSCG8845ISCOOL [2020-10-08 06:18:31 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you on this pairing. I also hate the series as a whole but if you like it, I fully respect how you feel about it.

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Kitty-cat-Fox [2019-01-25 15:58:00 +0000 UTC]

I hated Ashi cause she was an annoying bitch

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Moonstone27 In reply to Kitty-cat-Fox [2019-01-26 02:09:07 +0000 UTC]

I found the romance annoying 8B and I'll be honest I didn't cry when she "faded". I've seen time travel movies and eps, almost allll rules warn "Oh change the past can affect some parts of the futureee"

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Kitty-cat-Fox In reply to Moonstone27 [2019-01-26 02:32:03 +0000 UTC]

Her voice was also annoying 

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gibbs615 [2017-11-12 05:52:57 +0000 UTC]

I didn't like this Jashi either cause Jack REALLY should've saved his heart for the one from his CHILDHOOD for when he got back home to the past!  

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Moonstone27 In reply to gibbs615 [2017-11-14 08:48:00 +0000 UTC]

Haha I dunno about the girl. I admit it would have been interesting to at least know her name. (not that we never really knew Jack's real name). Just gah Jashi never clicked with me, not even after she "disappeared". Everyone was all "awww" or "Ohno!". I was just "hehe that can happen with time travel/interference 

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gibbs615 In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-11-14 17:07:29 +0000 UTC]

First of all someone gave the cricket girl a name KIYOMI & she seemed more of his type! Secondly about Ashi...at first she did NOT seem like his type at the start, she was like a SPOILED YAPPING BRAT  going on & on about KILLING HIM & Jack trying to convince & teach her about the truth that AKU is the evil one not him!  Besides she CAME from Aku & that's why after Jack finally destroyed him, she just VANISHED FROM EXISTENCE!!! 

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glovannas [2017-06-01 17:58:05 +0000 UTC]

the relationship was forced and really gross
and i see ashi as a lesbian too!

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HoneyBeeGirl94 [2017-05-28 02:17:26 +0000 UTC]

This video shows my feelings towards the ship. m.youtube.com/watch?v=0thpEyEw…
There's no reason to throw in lame romance. Why does it have to be romantic, instead of platonic?

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LuVi-Verse [2017-05-26 16:33:45 +0000 UTC]

I wanted to ship it at first when I first saw it, but of course before getting into the lore and watching the later eps...I prefer it more as a platonic relationship, you know, good friends despite the troubles they both faced and the development. I mean, not every character needs a love interest anyways.

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Lady-Anzu In reply to LuVi-Verse [2017-12-06 01:03:29 +0000 UTC]

As do I or if anything really for me,father/daughter-like relationship.

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LuVi-Verse In reply to Lady-Anzu [2017-12-06 01:05:13 +0000 UTC]

Yep

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Lady-Anzu In reply to LuVi-Verse [2017-12-06 01:06:49 +0000 UTC]

Between you and me,I kinda wish Ashi made more friends along the way when she traveled with Jack.

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Moonstone27 In reply to LuVi-Verse [2017-05-26 17:08:05 +0000 UTC]

I honestly would take that too.  

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PhantoonDraygon781 [2017-05-15 21:00:29 +0000 UTC]

I don't hate Ashi; I hate how she's used.

It seriously feels like she was added with the intent of giving The creators and horny fans something to beat their meat to, first and foremost. I don't even think I need to explain why; look no further than the multiple times we see her naked, the fact that she was basically naked while she was coated with ash, the rather large butt, and the fact that episode eight was pretty much a thinly veiled sex scene towards the end.

I hate her being so clingy to Jack- EVERYTHING she does revolves around Jack. She doesn't try to pursue anything other than Jack. She Heroifys Jack, doesn't even question Jack anymore, is completely compliant and subservient. I liked Ashi in episode 4 because she made things difficult for Jack; she was fighting him constantly, she got irritated, she thought she knew more about how the world worked. Now... now she just feels like someone who's there to validate how "amazing" Jack is.

Her development was fine, but it lead to an unsatisfactory conclusion, I feel.

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Moonstone27 In reply to PhantoonDraygon781 [2017-05-15 23:52:17 +0000 UTC]

Thats a lot but all of it makes sense.

I agree I was enjoying the development and her journey but the conclusion is feeling just disappointing.

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LarioLario54321 [2017-05-14 17:21:35 +0000 UTC]

I NO LONGER SHIP IT EITHER; SINCE NOW I KNOW THAT ASHI'S A HALF-FIEND!!! AND I L-O-A-T-H-E ANY SPAWN OF A FIEND, BECAUSE I L-O-A-T-H-E ALL FIENDS!!!!!!!

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Moonstone27 In reply to LarioLario54321 [2017-05-15 00:01:52 +0000 UTC]

Half friend 8B? Ooohhh you mean because she's Aku's. Well that part can't be helped.

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LarioLario54321 In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 00:46:38 +0000 UTC]

half-FIEND; AS IN ANOTHER WORD FOR D3M0N!!! I COULD'VE GONE WITHOUT KNOWING THAT; AND KNOWING THAT SHE'S THAT FIEND'S OFFSPRING, MAKES ME HATE HER; I HATE A-L-L D3MONS, FULL-BLOODED OR NOT!!! THAT'S W-H-Y I L-O-A-T-H-E RAVEN FROM TEEN TITANS; BECAUSE SHE'S LITERALLY A HALF-FIEND!!

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Moonstone27 In reply to LarioLario54321 [2017-05-15 00:58:21 +0000 UTC]

Half demons though are kinda common though. The half demon thing don't bother me.... though I'm surprised Aku could reproduce. Or have some form of it.

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LarioLario54321 In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 00:59:54 +0000 UTC]

I don't CARE how common they are: I HATE A-L-L DEMONS AND SPAWN OF THEM!!

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TDLBallistic In reply to LarioLario54321 [2017-05-16 10:16:10 +0000 UTC]

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

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LarioLario54321 In reply to TDLBallistic [2017-05-16 13:06:53 +0000 UTC]

I'm not.

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TDLBallistic In reply to LarioLario54321 [2017-05-16 21:21:08 +0000 UTC]

Demons are an interesting concept... you don't need to freak out so much over it.

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RazzekAgain [2017-05-14 15:40:38 +0000 UTC]

The latest episode was pretty satisfying on this point. Turns out Jashi isn't real because Ashi basically isn't real. I guess Aku is still the only woman for Jack, as we've all known from the start.

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Moonstone27 In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-15 00:02:10 +0000 UTC]

Are we sure though? I'm sure she was real

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RazzekAgain In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 00:38:30 +0000 UTC]

Only half of her, on her mother's side, if even that. Aku controlled her as easily as he controls any other part of himself and this isn't the first time Jack's been duped by Aku in the guise of a woman.

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Moonstone27 In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-15 00:42:38 +0000 UTC]

True but I kinda feel we're gonna have a moment where its "Oh look she broke his control" otherwise Jack wouldn't have surrendered

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RazzekAgain In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 00:52:30 +0000 UTC]

Probably, which will be annoying and predictable, but I'm having my fun while it's here. If she's dead by the end of the series, I'm honestly not going to feel bad about it at all.

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Moonstone27 In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-15 00:59:06 +0000 UTC]

Haha true

And pft I don't think it'll happen. But I won't lie if at the last second we get a "Nope they're not gonna happen" I won't complain.

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RazzekAgain In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 01:10:33 +0000 UTC]

I'm holding out hope that Genndy's talk of a "bittersweet end" means she's doomed. XD I wanted to like Ashi, but she's literally not been allowed to have a single moment of character development that wasn't centered around Jack. She's not her own character, just a reward object made for him, and I hate that trope so much.

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Moonstone27 In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-15 01:14:13 +0000 UTC]

Haha. Oh I do like Ashi... but its the ship. I dunno as I explained it feels cliche to me somehow. But you know you're actually bring up a good point. Ashi's not left Jack sight/or scene one real time. We don't see her try to find herself or make friends or anything. Maybe thats another reason why I can't click with it.

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RazzekAgain In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 01:23:02 +0000 UTC]

Oh the ship is horrible, I'm so with you on that. D: I think if I'd never been bothered by Jashi fans early on, I'd hate it a little less, but not by much. I saw it coming from the minute she was given a name in the first episode and I was just like "Genndy, no. Don't do this. You're better than that." XD

Yeah, that's the frustrating thing about Ashi. She's born/raised to kill him, she's obsessed with doing that, then she's obsessed with finding him, then just plain obsessed with him... She never gets to be herself without Jack figuring somewhere in her life as a major focus. She was literally written and created to be an object reward for Jack and, as a result, has no real identity apart from him. It's so frustrating.

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Moonstone27 In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-15 01:35:30 +0000 UTC]

Haha XD I thought it at first but was so absorbed with the story. I thought "Well maybe it won't go down that road". And I was like "Noooo whyyy I thought we were gonna be more original than this" XD

Its also sad 8/. I mean given how there have been some female characters(granted not all recurring), you'd think that road could have been avoided.

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RazzekAgain In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 02:23:31 +0000 UTC]

Oh man, that was so me, too. XD Around about episode 5 I started losing hope, then it rose a bit all the way through episode 7...aaaaand then ep 8 hit and just...eugh. Pretty much killed my interest in this season and I still kind of consider it not part of the original four seasons at this point.

Alas, I think Genndy's just not very good at long form storytelling. With short single episodes, he's great at making a simple story work well. But with this long format, it's really exposing his weaknesses as a writer, and a huge one he has is writing female characters who are their own people.

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Moonstone27 In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-15 02:27:56 +0000 UTC]

Haha if it ends the way we're not looking forward to, I might just do the same. Got me all built up for some big epic battle with friends then it just put too much focus on a romance

So true

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Kordyne [2017-05-14 08:24:36 +0000 UTC]

I don't like it either, and I find it amazing that Ashi just magically forgets that Jack killed her sisters.

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Moonstone27 In reply to Kordyne [2017-05-15 00:03:05 +0000 UTC]

Haha I just find it strange it went from master/student or father/daughter relationship to... "OMG you're hot/I'm hot and whoa that was a crazy thing we survived"

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Kordyne In reply to Moonstone27 [2017-05-15 17:53:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, and I totally agree with . For me, Ashi really is starting to feel like she was only written to be Jack's love interest and that's it. Hardly any development at all, which is sad

If she dies at the end of it all, my reaction will be akin to 'Welp, so long!'

I'm really glad to be able to let this all out without being attacked by rabid fans, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about the pairing

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Moonstone27 In reply to Kordyne [2017-05-16 00:03:09 +0000 UTC]

Yesh 8/

And haha same

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RazzekAgain In reply to Kordyne [2017-05-15 23:14:41 +0000 UTC]

Ashi was only written to be Jack's love interest and that's it. Every bit of development or plot relevance she has is tied to him and it sucks.

If she dies at the end, I won't be surprised. XD She's only going to die or be Jack's trophy girl. That's what she was written to be and I am forever disappointed by it.

Saaaaaaame! XD I feel like I'd hate the pairing slightly less (but not by much) were it not for the fans, but it's been badly done from the outset and I wasn't happy when she was introduced the way she was. Ashi had so much potential and she could have been written in such a way that even a romance with Jack wouldn't have felt so out of place, but what we've got is just...bad. Bad to the point that I doubt I'm going to consider season 5 as even being properly part of this series by the time it's over.

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Kordyne In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-16 17:45:10 +0000 UTC]

It'll end up like season 3 of Gargoyles, and the true ending will be in the comics

I know Genndy only had 10 episodes, but did he really have to shoehorn in a love interest? What was the point?

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RazzekAgain In reply to Kordyne [2017-05-16 22:31:02 +0000 UTC]

I barely remember season 3 of Gargoyles, except that it didn't bother me personally. XD Alas, the Samurai Jack comics don't provide a satisfying ending, either, but it's still better than what we're getting right now. XD

Genndy chose to have only 10 eps and then wrote them this way. :/ I've lost so much respect for him as a storyteller. He's got a lot of skills, but it's painfully clear that longform storytelling isn't one of them.

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Kordyne In reply to RazzekAgain [2017-05-17 09:24:39 +0000 UTC]

I wonder how he's going to cram a fitting conclusion in about 22 minutes for this final episode? Then again, part of me is thinking along the lines of this:

Us: Hey, that was 11 episodes!

Jack: The last one was a two-parter.

Probably not, though. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Guadisaves02 [2017-05-14 05:55:32 +0000 UTC]

Well even if this ended as a father/daughter or master/student relationship anyway, Aku would have used Ashi to beat Jack, because no matter what relationship it is, if it's someone you care about in life you will not want to hurt them, I would kneel devastated if my parents, siblings, friends, close teachers or couple, are being used for something evil

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Moonstone27 In reply to Guadisaves02 [2017-05-15 00:03:59 +0000 UTC]

Trueeee, still probably gonna be disappointed next week. I'll probably like some of the scnes but dunno gonna have to see.

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