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Mr-Wolfman-Thomas β Mislabeling Jerks and Bullies as Villains
Published: 2014-01-23 03:47:31 +0000 UTC; Views: 3261; Favourites: 41; Downloads: 4
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This is just a pet peeve of mine when people group characters like the Kankers from Ed Edd n Eddy, Diamond Tiara from MLP, Rodger from Doug, ect with villains like The Shredder, Darkseid, and the Joker. I understand that the prior group of characters are antagonists but they're far from being villains, I don't know, maybe it's just me but it just annoys me that in some fan art/fan fiction it groups people like Angelica from Rugrats and says she's as bad as the Major from Hellsing.....people do realize that there is a huge difference between a three year old throwing a tantrum and picking on babies and a FUCKING NAZI CYBORG THAT BLEW UP HALF OF LONDON AND SENT OUT AN ARMY OF VAMPIRES TO KILL INNOCENTS JUST THE HAVE WAR! I just felt like that needed to be made clear, and on youtube there are crossover videos where it has villains and it does the same thing, having Heather from Total Drama (Yeah I used to watch it shut up) grouped with Jafar?
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All I'm saying is yes, bully characters and jerks are antagonists but there's a difference between them and villains, heck most villains are the result of bullying
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Because why keep up with different levels of antagonism when you can lump all bad people into one group and call it a day? -_-Β
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And, unlike Diamond Tiara, the Kankers never got development...Or at least I don't think so...
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Yeah, I actually like the murderers, tyrants, and crime lords.
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I disagree with the last statement. "Villains" were mostly the bullies, not the bullied. Villains and bullies are alike in the way that they like tormenting others. So don't label victims as evil; most bullied victims are just nice, unpopular people who have to suffer from cruel people. Don't say, "heck, most villains are the result of bullying." It makes it sound like you're blaming victims for being bullied and you're acting like there's nothing wrong with the bullies (who are sadistic like villains). That's where you're wrong.Β
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Thank you! It drives me crazy when people do that!
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depending on your perspective, they could count as rapists/sexual molesters
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I wouldn't call them evil but they do sexually harass the Eds and other kids in the show
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if you've ever read the theory, these 3 have potential of being labeled as villains; they're really succubi.
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That's only if you're an idiot who actually believes creepy pastas. It was confirmed by the creator in an interview that those had nothing to do with the show.
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If these three losers met a true villain like the Joker, they'd be wettin' their pants.
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Right on. Many of those characters are unpleasant. I would even call Diamond Tiara, Silver Spoon, and the Kanker Sisters mean bullies. But they are not on the same level as "sociopaths" (I've heard many bronys use that to describe characters they don't like.)
Alot of those bully characters are young. They are behaving badly, but it's not as severe as trying to take over the world or murder people. I don't understand why Discord has this huge fanbase and is easily forgiven for all his dishonest and manipulative actions but Diamond Tiara is considered a beyotch. She's bratty but she loves her Dad and is a loyal friend to Silver Spoon. Hardly qualities of a sociopath. I still think bullying is wrong and she should be scolded for all those Blank flanks comments etc. but she's not the meanest "villain" on the show.
I actually think bully characters can be interesting especially as they drive alot of plots. Most heroes don't take action unless provoked, and bullies can kickstart many different adventures. Sometimes you even learn the reasons behind their bullying eventually.Β
(Roger's father abandoned him when he was a baby, and he's jealous of Doug for having a loving family and many friends at school despite being the New Kid. The Kankers reasons are never stated beyond they want to date the Eds, but they appear to be very poor and have different fathers. They might have a rough home life. We don't really know anything about Diamond Tiara, so who can tell?)
If you've ever seen PBS' Arthur, I think they handle bullying better than most other cartoons and children's programs. The Tough Customers are given unique personalities and hobbies besides bullying (Molly skateboards and is protective of her little brother, Rattles is a chess prodigy but remains unmotivated at school, Binky plays clarinet and excels at dancing ballet.) Sometimes they do cause trouble for the heroes. Sometimes they help out. Other times they are just neutral, background characters. It's interesting that they choose to give character development to antagonists, rather than keep them as cookie-cutter "villains" the audience can easily despise.
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Indeed, they may be a "bad seed" [ www.televisiontunes.com/My_Lit⦠], but they're not sociopaths/psychos. Creepypasta theories making them out to be is just a load of nonsense created by people who like to creep others out and suffice it to say, some people (not me personally, but others) like being creeped out/having their childhoods ruined, hence why such things like The Rugrats Theory exist.
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It's worth mentioning that Eddy is suppose to be a villain protagonist. Though he's often considered a designed villain.
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Regarding Kankers, they were the closest thing the show had to actual evil characters (with all the others being various shades of gray), so it's kind of understandable. They just stand out.
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Yes, they - depending on your view - loved/tortured the Eds in their own twisted way, but they got that from their man-hating mother, who was basically a sleazy whore bouncing between one man and another. Same with Angelica, who is the junior version of her mother, especially where Chuckie and Harold are concerned, as the way Angelica is to Chuckie and Harold is akin to how Charlotte is to Drew and Jonathan.
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Actually Eddy's brother is
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Oops, I was referring to the pre-movie situation and forgot about him. Sorry.
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Some group villains to those who have blood on their hands and those who failed to kill anyone. Jafar falls in the latter category, and maybe that's where their logic is coming from to group what's-her-face from Total Drama Island with Jafar. Maybe.
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Yeah
People are looking for the term Antagonist, not VillainΒ
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"heck most villains are the result of bullying"
That is a pet peeve of mine, actually. Β That's a myth: Β most "villains" were the bullies, not the bullied.
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I think you both raise excellent points. In real life, people become bullies for a variety of reasons, not necessarily because someone else picked on them long ago. In fiction however, bullies usually fall in one of 2 categories: people who were mean and obnoxious from birth OR people who were victimized in the past and eventually "snapped".
It was my impression that the artist was referring only to fictional villains, not real-life bullies and that's why the generalization was made. You are right that it is not always that simple.
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It never is. Most bullies/antagonists have reasons for being as they are. Even the bullies can have kind moments if they're allowed. Using Angelica for example, we've the movies (without her bringing Spike along to track the babies in the first film, the babies would've been wolf food, but then again, had she not kicked the Reptar Wagon to begin with, the babies wouldn't have been lost at all, so that was a catch 22 & in Rugrats in Paris, she redeems herself after nearly selling out Chuckie and his father to the true villain of the film, Coco LeBoush), Christmas specials (particularly, her "Gift of the Magi" moment in The Santa Experience and her learning to "Treat Everyday Like Christmas" in Babies in Toyland), and a few distinct episodes (New Kid in Town [she was shown defending the babies from a worse bully named Josh], Moving Away [she was indirectly responsible for the babies' first meeting], and All's Well That Pretends Well [sheΒ wasΒ only being bad because she didn't want to miss the French Dummi Bears show that all the other kids were going to, and in the end, the babies feigned being sick so that Angelica wouldn't feel left out]) all showcase that, beneath her bully demeanor, Angelica does posess a heart. Her meanness is a result of her parents' ineffective parenting methods. If we had a deeper look into Angelica as a character, we might have viewed her in the same light as fellow tsundere bully, Helga Pataki on Hey Arnold, since Angelica was loosely modeled after Helga's 1987 concept design and, although mostly based on a female bully from Paul Germain's own childhood, had been given some of Helga's attributes, because Craig Bartlett started out on Nickelodeon as a Rugrats writer, who assisted Paul Germain with Angelica's creation.
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It can go both ways.
Many villains, specially the intellectual ones, were nerds and geeks in their youth, and therefore a target for bullying. One example is The Scarecrow, from Batman; he was the victim of a very cruel prank, and his very first act of villainy was precisely getting revenge on his bullies. Another Bat-villain, The Riddler, was bullied by his own father, who didn't believe his son was smarter than him, and thought he only could make good grades in school if he was cheating. And there's also Megavolt, from Darkwing Duck; he obtained his powers precisely because a bully messed up with a school experiment of his just to torture the poor guy; also from Darkwing Duck, there's Dr Bushroot, who was bullied by his scientific colleagues, and when he got his powers, the first thing he did was getting revenge on them.
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