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I am aware of the shot traps and vulnerable areas*Related content
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I'D definitely want side skirt on this tank but over all good design
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Thanks, the update will have a sort of skirt.
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just a little wonder isn't the lower plate a little flat?
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on this design or the more recent one?
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I don't believe the bottom plate is visible in this image, even so it's supposed to be fairly flat anyways.
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sorry was meaning upper front plate but doesn't flattening the armour reduce its effective thickness?
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yes, sloped armor does increase the effective thickness of the armor in addition to potentially deflecting certain munitions. It's not too uncommon to have a relatively steep angle in the front armor, for example the black panther tank and the type 10 tank. also this is an older version, i've already changed the front armor.
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yeah, the chieftain had ridiculous frontal sloping. ERA pack would be a cool addition for final texturingΒ
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yea I plan on showing a spec sheet with all the information, a type of ERA included.
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Β cool, does the tank use layered composite armour or what type of armour?
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I've got to do more research on that point, but i'm thinking Tungsten or liquid metal alloy exterior, ERA middle and some kind of carbon fiber interior for anti spalding.
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think ERA should be outer shell as if it detonated in the middle of modular armour wouldn't it cause the outer layers to be blown outwards? carbon nano tubing might be something to look into, liquid metal alloy sounds interesting with that possibly being the middle layer, tungsten is a good choice for density but it can be rather brittle in some respect if not alloyed, using something like depleted uranium layered with titanium would offer both density and strength while also maintaining the weight limits of a vehicle like this
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ERA as in electric reactive armor not explosive reactive armor. I'm going to do more research on other types of armor though so it will be on the finished information sheet.
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Okay, best o luck with the research
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fix those shock traps bra,
(jk, its looking superb 
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Very cool looking overall shape.
One thing to note is that in modern or post-modern tank designs, shot traps don't make much of a difference. Due to their sheer kinetic energy, modern depleted uranium dart tank rounds will punch right through just about anything as far as armor goes, negating most of the usefulness of sloped armor for causing ricochets. This also means that shot trap areas don't matter much, since there is little likelihood of a shot ricocheting into them.
One thing I would be more concerned with, though it's hard to tell given the viewing angle of the image, is the ability of the turret to traverse a full 360 degrees over the raised rear section, specifically the clearance of the turret's front over the rear section when rotated to a rear facing position.
Besides that, the design looks quite interesting, I look forward to seeing where it goes.
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chobam and the american DU armour can stop/deform SABOT round enough so that they do little to no damage, its HESH or HEAT shells that are a major problem but multi layer ceramic and other modern armour type can mostly mitigate those aswell
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I apologize, I spent 10 minutes replying to this and accidentally deleted my reply. The jyst of what it was is that shot traps aren't only for KEPs, they help to prevent other types of damage as well. Also i fixed the 360 degree of traversing problem, though the turret has to be at 0 degrees of elevation just like the abrams (if im not mistaken) to travel 360 degrees.
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I suppose that shot traps might create vulnerabilities for other types of munitions, as you said.
As far as the turret rotation goes, it does appear that the M1 Abrams' turret has effectively zero gun depression on its rear arc (which is also true of my own tank designs, so I can't judge.)
Also, do you plan on adding any type of explosive reactive armor tiles to the design? Or were you planning on banking on more advanced active protection systems?
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Yea i don't think many tanks are designed to have a low depression angle while looking backwards, there's not too many circumstances i can think of that a tank would need that anyways since the majority of the time tanks are supposed to keep the front armor pointed at the target.
As for the armor, I need to do more research on futuristic armor systems, but i'm thinking it will have liquid metal alloy or tungsten on the outside, ERA in the middle and carbon fiber waeve interior for spalding protection let me know if you have any ideas.
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The rear facing gun depression is unlikely to be an issue, since any reasonably modern vehicle should have enough engine capacity to rotate the hull to face approaching targets anyway.
As far as the armor goes, advanced composite materials are likely your best bet. While any one material (such as aforementioned liquid metal alloy or tungsten) might provide excellent protection in one area, it would likely be weak in another. Modern tank armor such as Chobham is purported to be a layered combination of metallic, ceramic and polymeric materials, though it is not possible to know for sure, since the exact composition is still classified.
Your best bet for a post-modern armor design would likely be to go with some form of advanced composite, possibly making use of materials such as graphene and, as you said, carbon fiber, and carbon nanotube structures in addition to metallic and ceramic plates.
Another thing to note is that ERA is best placed outside of the primary armor plate, since if it is detonated, it needs to be in a position for easy replacement after combat. ERA also requires a significant amount of backing armor, since it is by nature little more than a controlled explosion, and applies a good deal of force to the vehicle behind it. You may not want to use ERA at all, however, if you choose to opt for a more advanced form of active defense, such as small laser or projectile turrets on the turret or hull intended to shoot down incoming missiles.
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Yea, i was doing more research last night and i think I'll add a layer of SiC hexagonal plates, and perhaps the liquid metal could be an alloy mix of rhenium and tungsten (rhenium is super expensive but hey, it's the future. maybe they get it from asteroids?). Carbon nanotubes would be perfect, the only problem is that i wouldn't want the crew at risk to cancer, from what i hear CNTs are fairly carcinogenic like asbestos.
I forgot that ERA stands for explosive reactive armor, I was thinking about Electric Reactive Armor. I'll definitely have to do more research on the electric reactive armor to find out what its primary uses are. I don't know if i mentioned before but there are a few points for APS around the turret, similar to the TROPHY APS on the merkava.
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As far as the carbon nanotube materials go, I was not aware of the carcinogenic concerns with the materials, which could definitely be a problem. Of course, given that advanced carbon materials and relatively new materials, there is a possibility that such properties could be removed or negated with advances in the material science behind production processes.
As far as the active protection, the APS stations on the turret seem like an excellent measure, given that the emerging performance data on TROPHY and other APS systems seems to indicate that they are highly effective against numerous incoming munitions.
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