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Because it needs to be said.This tutorial was really helpful in making this stamp: [link]
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It's been a while since this has posted but I'm using this thank you.
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This is a very thought-proviking stamp, in my own opinion.
And along with this: to be honest, I think religion is supposed to be criticized. Many, if not all, religions are quite ambigious about some (not all mind you, but a good number) of the things they believe. Some, like Judaism, even have criticism, and debate, of individual beliefs as part of their faith, so to speak.Β While I doubt that we can truly find the correct answer as to what religion states-at least for now-I do think that this does indicate how what religion says and believes is suppose to criticized and debated.
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Just saying to me making fun of someone's religion is the same as making fun of someone's race, sex, sexuality, etc.Β
Making fun of someone because they are different in someway does not make you a better person.Β
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Actually, criticism is pointing out the flaws and errors in something (and providing suggestions on how to fix them if it's constructive). I agree that you shouldn't discriminate against a certain group just because it's different from your own, but again, teasing and criticism are two different things and I was just pointing out the difference.
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unfortunately some people don't see it that way. Some people think that just because something is open to criticism it's also open to discriminationΒ
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I'm going to go out on a whim and say you're talking about Christianity (because of the topic of the stamp. Again, I could be wrong). In which case: what Christian discrimination? People of the faith face outright persecution in the middle east, while Christianity is so widely accepted in the U.S. it's seen as the 'norm' religion.Β itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2β¦ Read this list and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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I'm talking about religion in general. Β Some people make fun of those who are religious.
For example one of the most common I hear is people who are religious are less intelligent then those who are not.Β
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Well that's a fairly common misconception. There are religious people out there who are very intelligent (a lot of people in my family, for example), and there are nonreligious people who are unintelligent. It's all about how you let religion influence you. There are some great people in history who have done amazing things with the help of their faith, and that doesn't just limit it to Christianity. Ever heard of Malcolm X? He was a Muslim, y'know. And again, there are also horrible people who have done equally horrible things with no religion at all (i.e. Stalin)
Again, that's not quite 'making fun of' something. I'd say it's more of a stereotype than anything. Just pointing that out.
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stereotyping and making fun of can qualify as the same thing depending on the scenarioΒ
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Again, depending on how it's done it can be the same thing, but generally the two are different concepts.
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does it matter point is this stuff happens and it's not ok.
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I can agree with it, as long as atheism isn't immune to criticism either. It's only fair.
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Agreed. One cannot expect to be treated kindly, while they in turn criticize.
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I don't mind criticism, but i do mind the double standards going on here. Religion is being criticised on a daily basis, and mostly by assholes who just like to be a dick, yet this stamp implies religion isn't criticised enough. Yet try and say one bad word about atheists and you'll get a long lecture about why atheists can't be generalized.
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Because Atheists don't live by a fucking thousand year old book full of rape, incest and murder for an original character.
nuff said.
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Oh, there's one I never heard before.
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Why does that not surprise me.
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Because you know you're just repeating things others have said before, without thinking.
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This type of shit is why no one likes religion.
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Indeed, because rape, incest and murder have never happened ever before other than in the Bible. The Bible is simply relaying the events that happened, not necessarily approving. And when people say that it approves of "genocide" because of the times God told the Israelites to go into towns and kill the people there, those people usually aren't aware that those towns were full of idolaters, adulterers, and murderers who had been given plenty of time and warning to repent, and God is using the Israelites to serve justice to them.
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No, this stamp says that it's ignorant to complain about criticism to religion, because it deserves that and more. The political power it's given is unconceivable. About criticism to atheism, I have never heard one that wasn't biased against it.
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Very funny. You say you never heard of unbiased criticism of atheism, or do you just pretend not to hear them and instead go and listen to the ravings of religious fanatics, so you can keep telling yourself how much better you are. I'm only asking, because Richard Dawkins himself is known for cutting out any of his interviews with people who provided anything resembling logical arguments in favor of religion, while he was making his film, so it's the kind of behaviour I've come to expect from his fans too.
This isn't a criticism so to speak, just a few things, I'm pretty sure a lot of atheists wouldn't like to talk about.
First off, modern atheism was popularised by Jewish communities outside of Israel, for very personal reasons. Having left behind a community that won't take them back, and having to deal with another, that won't take them in, these people were forced to find a new identity, and ended up adopting Marxism, which besides being new, had the advantage of equally dismissing Christianity AND Judaism, allowing them to feel superior to both Christians, and their own Israeli cousins. Basically, we wouldn't even be here talking, if a couple of people didnt feel insecure about their origins, a century ago.
Second, the most influential atheists seem to be physicians, biologists, or other people with similar professions, and will almost certainly make some forms of jabs against their colleagues in the scientific community with more human oriented fields of study, such as literature, art or history - implying that these areas are inferior to their own - a childish grudge, that seems to infect the current generation of bigwigs, and carried over from their high school years. Before you try to contradict me, remember the following facts: 1) religion is a crucial subject, that cannot be avoided by anyone focusing on the study of art, literature or history, whether they like it or not, 2) atheists referring to the Bible as a "myth", "fairytale", "ancient literature", or the people who lived in biblical times as "superstitious barbarians", do so with the implication, that these things do not deserve much attention, studying them is less important than investing another billion dollars in genetic research, 3) 90% of the atheists I've met on the Internet so far, never even bothered to read anything I wrote, on basis that disagreeing with them makes me wrong in everything, on principle and 4) 50% of all arguments based on the Bible (the majority of which are actually made against Christians) can be debunked by anyone who studied the history of the English language for at least 4 months, 40% by anyone who actually pays attention to what he's reading, and 9% by an experienced historian who studied the time period.
And finally, the bulk of the atheist community are formed by a mixture of average laymen who read something in a book that they didn't know before, and think they discovered the wheel, emo teens from traditional American redneck families, who are trying to get back at their parents for making them clean their rooms twice a week, and a bunch of people who heard too many horror stories about God, and got so scared that even as adults, they are trying to rationalize him as the figment of somebody else's imagination.
That's atheism in a nutshell.
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I never read something of richard dawkins. You're talking about logical arguments, but I wanna hear them, or you don't have them.
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First off, modern atheism was popularised by Jewish communities outside of Israel
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I don't have the slightest idea of any of these arguments, that don't concern my disbelief of religion. I'm atheist since even before I studied history in the elementary school.
In art, people don't have to use logic.β You're one of those who complain about who talks about religion without knowing it all? Now you care about coherence?
The last phrase of your comment: "that's atheism in a nutshell" shows your limitation. You're certainly one of those who consider themselves knowledgeable and intelligent because they read some dozens of books of your favourite genre. Well, not only intelligence depends on the kind of knowledge you have, but you should start supposing that many people may have read more books than you only for passion, outside their studies. You're one of those who inflate themselves until they pop, pretending they're even modest. You even complain that people judge religion as less important than science. Assuming it wasn't even damageful, it's art. Art is important at a different level, even for scientific documentaries, because language is not sufficient alone. Art is useful to explain concepts and attract people to subjects but art cannot represent numbers. Nobody cares if you take an argument and say: "this is it in a nutshell".
People who understand science = none on earth.
People who admit they don't understand science = scientists.
People who think they understand science = non scientists.
Your whole argument that science should be thought less important than art is ridiculous in itself. Science should even be taught much more than it is today. Everyone should have a higher level of scientific knowledge even if their specialization isn't that, and you underestimate it?
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"You're certainly one of those who..."
"You're one of those who inflate themselves until they pop..."
Well can't argue with that flawless logic. I have been completely obliterated by your well constructed and entirely unbiased arguments.
"Your whole argument that science should be thought less important than art is ridiculous in itself."
That's not what I said, but thanks for admitting that you didn't pay attention. I wasted exactly one hour writing it, and I'm not going to waste anymore.
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I replied to your arguments, and you're still talking like a 15yoΒ geek who acts like a knowledgeable professor, not realizing that not only it's obvious that you're not, but it's also the most pointless of all the trolling strategies. What other arguments are you talking about, other than your totally personal ideas about internet groups?
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"15yoΒ geek who acts like a knowledgeable professor"
Good. You got the message.
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You realize it's you who claims to have valid arguments? I'm just waiting for you to write them.
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I wrote them down, and you gave me a reply that very obviously proved that you skimmed over everything I wrote, without paying any attention. I am not going to waste another hour and a half writing down the same thing, maybe even elaborating on the details, when I know you're not going to read any of it.
It happened to me far too many times, but apparently not reading something or not paying attention to anything they read unless it's something they agree with is a problem all atheists have, and I am an idiot for not learning that by now. But in the odd chance you do read this, consider that an argument.
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Your butthurtness about losing internet discussions, your primitive fear of science, and your complaints that scientists consider science a superior matter than art, are an argument to you?
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No because that is not what I said.
I did not say anything about losing Internet arguments, and I did not say anything about having a primitive fear of science.
You're making shit up instead of reading anything I wrote
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I don't get what your point is. Like you said something complicated. You're still playing professor. It's quite simple what you said, just stop pretending to be smart saying I didn't understand.
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Your level of dementia is over 9000. One of those who prepare themselves for internet arguments. So pitiful. Get lost.
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Yup. You're still here.
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Do anything to troll andΒ make me nervous like a bitch? Not succeeding. Try again.
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I'M trolling YOU?
You're the one who keeps pestering me.
Just what the hell do you want?
You want me to break down crying, and admit that you have beaten me, as should be expected, because an atheists is always right by default, and also has a bigger penis than a whiny superstitious science-hating redneck like me could ever hope to have?
There. I said it. Now can you leave me be?
Or maybe you want me to block you, so you can tell everyone what a cowardly little bitch and sore loser I am? That's what you're aiming for, isn't it?
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You forgot to play the violin.
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You may say "scram" to that whore of your sister.
So, you say your thing and don't accept any counterargument, then replying "you didn't understand what I said"? You have no idea, or you know and lie, how atheism is not simply criticized, but mocked and misunderstood. Who wants to bash atheists, like you, simply takes them for pissed off stubborn militants. And the result is a ton of offenses to atheism everywhere.
I'm pestering you? You wrote a comment. You don't want people to reply? Don't write them.
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Does anything online have critisism immunity?
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nope. no one should be immune to critisism. Only time I get it is when someone is being very insulting by putting my art in a 'shitty art folder' a guy on youtube has (maybe it is deleted now) worst of DA series and a pic I made was on it. which I didn't give the asshole permission to use so he was violating copyright in a way.
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Are you kidding, it gets nothing but criticism.
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Sure & then some christian inevitably says "Its my belief" & thats it as far as rational discussion goes... Doesn't matter what part of religion we are talking about, or how objectively wrong the christian is, once they've intoned those magical words, you'd have more luck getting blood out of a stone.
Suppose thats what happens when you have a point of view, with no foundation in reality. It makes for one side having a very hard time in any factually grounded discussion. I mean there are only so many presuppositional statements one can make before one realizes ones entire argument is made up of rhetorical mist, in the face of logical rational sunlight.
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I completely agree with you. I didn't say the criticism was unjust, just that they're criticised all the time.
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