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Just a little portrait of the Breland family. I don't think I ever gave Lily's parents names before but her dad's name is John and her mother's name is Ellie. I also haven't drawn her twin brothers in forever - can you guess which one is Hunter and which one is Erol? I love it when kids look like an perfect mix of their parents, I think it's the cutest thing. I tried to give the boys John's face shape but Ellie's features. Lily looks like her mother but her hair is bright and straight like her father's. They all got his freckles
I imagine this photo was taken like a year or two before the story begins so Lily would be about 15-16 in this and the boys are like 13-14. I decided to make them a bit older than I did in their concept.
John, Ellie, Lily, Hunter and Erol Breland belong to me and are featured in I.T.
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Thanks. I actually only did a simple gradient shade and texture on this
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I think this picture would work better as a concept if they were indeed the ages they look here(like, 10 or whatever) because...well, talked to a sixteen year old girl recently about her parents? I don't mind admitting if my mother asked me to sit for a family portrait I'd tell her "You're having a fucking laugh, now gtfo out of my room."
I have to admit though, thinking of ways they talked them into it is funny...unless they're the best kind of saintly children they've probably been heavily bribed. Also Lily's hair should I think be longer than it is if she's supposed to be 15-16 and the story starts in 2 years, there is no way her hair changed from that to this [link] in two years(I think it would take maybe six or seven-ish years?).
Though I do like the look of kid!Lily here, her top is cute.
The overall thing would make more sense if they were children, sorry :/
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I did try to make them look their ages - the boys jaws are squared instead of the baby face round that most younger boys have. Lily does look very young for her age though. Yeah I have no idea how John and Ellie for them all dressed, got their hair neat and them to smile and sit still for this - it must be some kind of huge bribe or threat that made this happen. I said those ages because gave Lily breasts and the boys theor squared jaws.
Thanks
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I love this! Interracial love RAWKS! This is a beautiful family portrait!
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1. OK, the width of the neck looks a little better, and the shoulders aren't as over-sized. This is an improvement. However, the mom's neck in particular has this problem, the neck appears to angle back from the shoulder, not go straight up. You can see it most under mom's chin where the neck has that odd angle under her chin. You might think that's the curve from the neck to the shoulder, but that's not what it looks like.
2. The number of characters in this comic that have YOUR triple mole arrangement is getting a little over-the-top. It isn't even as cute as you seem to think it is, especially over the bridge of the nose. I'd back off on that if I were you. Identical twins don't even have matching moles, usually, let alone 1/3rd of a population. Moles aren't genetic. Some conditions causing moles are, but matching triangle mole sets? Uh, no. Not even in identical twins.
3. Most females have nearly reached their full height by 16, if they haven't reached it entirely. And at 13, boys are a good portion of the way done with their growing too. Yes, they do have growth spurts after 13 most of the time, but they're almost full grown. All three of them look like 7-10 not teenagers.
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1. I'll look into it
2. Out of hand? Besides Kiddo and the boys only Zen has them, Darkly only has on beauty mark under his eye. Originally none of them were in the same story, Zen got my little trademark triangle for her series but then I decided to combine them. In my family, freckles/beauty marks/moles run on both sides. Me and my brother both have the same triangle cluster under our left eye - but we're not twins - my sister's triangle forms on her cheek so I totally believe that the same cluster can form on different people even if they are not twins. It's completely by chance though, they didn't even show up on my face until I was like thirteen or so and then they only grew on one side of my face until recently.
3. Again, that's average. By chance. My brother was already six feet tall at thirteen. One of my boyfriends was 5'5 when he was 17 and three years later when I saw him he was 6 even. My point is boys can suddenly sprout up at any point. Kiddo is still a small girl so 
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2. Well any collection of moles three or more can be said to make a triangle of some kind. That's not quite the point. Again, things that can cause moles are sometimes genetic, but shapes and patterns are not. But, my point is you've taken a trait of yours, made it a "Trademark" and now multiple characters in the same story. Just saying.
3. The fact remains they all three, in relation to the size of their parents, look like very small children and not teenagers. I'm also not the first person to comment on this.
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2. I let Zen keep hers after the 'combining' It'll eventually be plot point involving John and the leader of the agency. It runs in their family, they are related and I wanted to show that beyond hair and eye color.
3. Sure ok
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Repeat. Some of the (many) conditions that cause moles to form do run in families. Specific moles/patterns don't. So, giving them all a trait you have doesn't show they're in the same family. Sorry.
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Okay, if that's what you believe then okay. I think it's possible because it's happened in my family. It's just something I do so everyone doesn't have these perfect faces - someone out of nine main characters must have some kind of beauty mark or mole. It's like Zen's widows peak or Darkly's glasses it's all part of character design. I simply got the idea from the moles that run in my family. Besides if one twin had it and the other didn't that'd make it too easy to tell them apart. They actually used to mirror each other - one had them under his left eye and the other had them under the right but I think freckles on the nose was cuter for them.
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Well, as I said before, anyone three spots next to each other can say those spots form a triangle. I'm just talking medical facts.
And all this stuff about not having perfect faces and glasses and widow's peaks has NOTHING to do with what I'm saying. I'm not talking about anything like that.
I'm talking about you taking a physical trait of yours and repeating it in several of your characters, not about giving characters physical quirks.
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I don't know if you noticed or not, but no1curr about you and your issue with moles.
This isn't even constructive criticism. This is just nitpicking.
If you have such a problem with the characters that Musashden has thought up and created backgrounds and stories for, then go create your own and make them to your standards. Because she's explained the reasons why her original characters have what they have in a fictional universe that she made up, and the things you're saying now are just splitting hairs.
And that is a foolio move.
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I have no issue with moles at all. I was attempting to discuss the issue of taking a trait you have, slapping it on 1/2 your characters, and claiming that it "shows they're related" when the trait 1. it's genetic and 2. it's limited to characters that ARE related with the story, and whether or not that's good character design.
If that offends you I apologize. Have a good day.
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First off, I'm not offended. But just so you know, you're 'I'm sorry you're offended' non-apology isn't welcomed. To anyone.
What you seem not to get is that THIS IS HER UNIVERSE! Regardless if she wants to use matching moles or have them farting marshmallows and cherries, it will always be her choice. Even if you don't agree with it, she's not obligated to follow whatever you want her to do, not matter how much you don't like it.
So get over it.
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There really isn't anything for me to get over, as I'm not mad or offended. You, however, seem very angry and hostile and I really don't know why. And "I'm sorry if you're offended" is sincere. Nice Kurt Cobain icon btw.
The only reason I even bother is because I understand she has ambitions towards being a professional, and as someone who has been paid to write and draw and has been published, I thought I could use some advice in making her work more professional.
Anyway, it's kind of between me and her anyway.
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4 out of 9 have it - less than half of just the main cast.
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I was correcting myself. I typed 38% when it should have been 48%.
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It's less than half but it's very close too half. Point is you've given very nearly half of them a physical mark that you have. I'm just saying... I have a mole on the top of my foot centered over my toe line that I think looks kind of cute when I'm wearing pumps. I don't draw it on 38% of my characters, because that would be silly.
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So wait, you're problem with it is that I got the idea for the moles from my own face? That's weird.
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No, my point is that picking a physical quirk (mole, birthmark, etc) and giving it to very nearly half of your characters is silly. Picking it from your own face is vain, and think that a mole formation is genetic is uninformed.
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...You realize this is for a comic, right. Shit like this happens in comics. Look at Cable and Scott - of all the powers his son could get he gets the exact same power as his father but the ability to control it, come on. I'm trying to show that they get most of their traits from their father - as does their half sister Zen who has the same marks. It's to create that suspicion when they first meet. Like a family brand but oh low and behold someone else has it too - are they part of the family? What's the story there?
No the formation is not genetic but moles can be. Like you said any three can be a triangle. Just so happens they all have it.
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If you want to do that you might want to pick a better trait that's all I'm saying. And no, moles are not enough to go "hey are we related" on. Since moles are pretty spicific.
And LOL at your marvel thing. You do know that GENETIC MUTATIONS are in fact GENETIC right? They they have the same genes, they have comparable genetic mutations. Scott and Alex have a variation on the same powers too.
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It's part of the comic, I'm not changing their character design just cause you have a problem with it.
Whatever, my point was stuff like that runs in families. Mentioning Alex just proves my point.
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I don't "have a problem." I'm just pointing out that while some things that cause moles can be genetic, moles in specific places and patterns are not genetic. Therefore, if it's meant to be a genetic clue then it really won't fly professionally if you're looking to get this published. That's why I mentioned it.
And designing character designs with your own "signature" mole set based on your moles still comes off pretty mary-sue.
Just saying.
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If you don't have a problem with it then why did you bring it up? So what the shape the moles make are not genetic. Who cares, it's just something I drew to show they are related to John. I don't think I'll have to worry about minuscule facial freckles when it comes to getting published.
Actually it's very common for characters to have something of their author's. None of the characters act like me so throwing in a pop phrase like Mary sue just to get me to change it isn't going to work. If you had bothered to look into the character's personalities you'd realize their moles are the only thing they have in common with me - I give them to at least one main character in my different series (look at Samael). But then again all of this irrelevant seeing how no matter what you say I'm not changing them.
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Why did I bring it up? Because you're attempting to use something that isn't a genetic trait (mole placement/arrangement) to imply shared genetics, and I thought you wanted it to look somewhat professional. And yes, a professional publisher would look at it and go "What's with the triangle of dots on every other character's face?"
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Actually I think you'll find that in reality they actually take character design very seriously.
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And so do I which is why I don't just slap any feature on to my characters. Why don't you think I've given this any thought?
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The fact that very close to 1/2 of your characters have it and you seem to think it shows they're related.
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I can imagine that all the mental acrobatics you do to try and twist what I say from something reasonable and valid to something you can refute and dismiss MUST be exhausting. I have an idea, why don't you skip that part next time.
Creating Straw Man arguments to argue rather than mine just tires us both out and there's really no point to it.
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You're making mountains out of moles.
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I was ATTEMPTING to discuss character design. But that might be your first good comeback. That was cute.
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What? I thought it was funny.
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Really cute, but I think they look a lot smaller than teenagers. Remember most girls are about done growing height-wise by 16.
They are a really pretty family, though.
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Thanks. Someone else said they looked small too so I just want to clarify that they are sitting on something in front of their parents - not standing.
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Yes. Because they are twins I wanted to give them a power something similar to Mas y Menos from Teen Titans but without the need to hold hands. Originally Erol was an empath and Hunter would exhibit the feelings his brother could pick up. I might still keep that but it works both ways - they can take the emotions of others to make themselves braver or ruthless or manic. I'm thinking their code name would be 'Frenzy' or something like that.
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so the parents have powers, and passed them down to their kids?
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Only John has powers but yeah that's how it works in my comic series. If one parent is a super their kids will definitely have powers. If neither parent is a super = no super kids. Supers are actually really rare, I think I worked out the average to be about 1 in every 100,000 people are supers.
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Hooray! A mixed couple! Take that you close minded bigots!
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Yeah I really love mixed couples - that whole opposites attract thing. I'm pretty sure Tac and Terry are my only 'same race' couple, but then again their personalities are as different as night and day so I think that counts too
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