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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to Starflower95 [2016-03-20 22:13:19 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot ! I really like drawing these details. :3

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to Raylie18 [2016-02-04 11:57:25 +0000 UTC]

Haha, merci !!  
Pour mon premier dessin de ces deux-là, j'ai voulu insister sur le côté cosmique, sur l'équilibre entre les deux aspects de la Force. Et bien sûr on a le feu des Sith face à l'eau des Jedi, la passion face à la raison et à la mesure. On a Kylo qui est penché vers Rey un peu comme dans la scène de l'interrogatoire, avec quelque chose d'un peu avide, convoiteux, et fasciné, et Rey qui reste de marbre, distante, calme, mais pas effrayée non plus. Le côté obscur qui tente le côté lumineux, et le côté lumineux qui résiste. Mais il y a une harmonie possible, parce que l'un est respectueux et l'autre bienveillant. Et en même temps, il y a cette réversibilité, parce que du coup Rey est entourée de feu, et Kylo est environné d'eau. L'un puise chez l'autre ce qui le complète, révèle chez l'autre ses contradictions, tout ça tout ça.
Tout un programme

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Raylie18 In reply to Myrrha-Silvenia [2016-02-05 16:59:54 +0000 UTC]

Exact, mais c'est un excellent programme !
J'adore tout ce qui a trait au symbolisme du yin-yang (attraction/répulsion, bien/mal, obscurité/lumière...ect) et qui est très bien représenté ici.
Que dire de plus, sinon que le projet était hardi, mais que tu as magnifiquement réussi ce que tu voulais entreprendre, donc, un grand bravo à toi !

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to FollowedMyHeart [2016-01-30 12:23:45 +0000 UTC]

Thank you !

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to Cassiuseos [2016-01-29 20:38:47 +0000 UTC]

Awww, thank you so much
You like Frollo too ? Wow, I'm impressed. But that doesn't totally surprise me. Frollo, Snape and Kylo have similar looks and aesthetics (they probably are the characters I loved the most by the way, with Loki, Heathcliff, the Phantom of the Opera, Rumpelstiltskin, Rochester, Hannibal... well, I have a long list). When I saw your art style, all elegant and refined, with its dreamy, mysterious atmosphere, and that typical Japanese influence in your lines, I knew I was going to love it. I'm always happy when I find artists who deeply inspire me. That's a bit like drinking to the same source of imagination (if that makes any sense). I really enjoy it.

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to yaoiartlover07 [2016-01-28 21:15:25 +0000 UTC]

Thank you

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yaoiartlover07 In reply to Myrrha-Silvenia [2016-02-02 04:59:31 +0000 UTC]

your welcome!!

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to TheIguanaAmarilla [2016-01-05 22:41:24 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, glad you like it

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to KarmaDash [2016-01-05 22:41:03 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, dear

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KarmaDash In reply to Myrrha-Silvenia [2016-01-05 23:25:09 +0000 UTC]

No problem

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to DisneyTolkienFanGirl [2016-01-05 22:38:28 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much, sweetheart.
You're right, what's fascinating about this pairing is what they could bring to each other. And how the balance between them can mirror the balance in the Force. In that regard, they can easily be viewed as mythical or mythological figures. There is a "Hades and Persephone" vibe in their relationship that I like a lot.

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DisneyTolkienFanGirl In reply to Myrrha-Silvenia [2016-01-06 22:07:05 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! 
Yes, the balance is wonderful, and they represent the two distinct sides of the force so well! Ahhhh I hadn't thought about the similarities between them and Hades/Persephone, but now I can totally see it!  

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to phantomdeviant [2016-01-03 00:29:48 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!
I completely agree with you : they have not a classic villain/hero dynamic. There's more between them. And it's due to the fact that Kylo has not the part of the typical villain, and above all he doesn't act with REY like a villain. The way he carries her when she faints and falls in his arms is the first moment you think "oh, ok, so she is special to him, there's something there" (I smiled when I saw that scene the first time, because it was so theatrical. Totally Kylo style). And then we see that indeed, Kylo is definitely drawn to Rey. When she is concerned, he ceases to be the "Kylo Ren" we see from the beginning of the film: that badass villain who tortures his captives for information. Darth Vader 2.0. No, when he is with Rey, we discover a new side of his personality. He takes off his mask for her, showing her his face, his weakness. He's fascinated by her, by the abilities she has with the Force, and he really wants to teach her, to have her by his side. That interrogation scene was... interesting, and there was definitely a certain amount of sexual tension here! And Rey... you have worded it right : she doesn't know what to make of him! She finds that he's not "a monster with a mask", and she's troubled by it. It's easier when you don't see your enemy as a person. But she sees him, and she finds out his fear too, his vulnerability. I think she finds him very disconcerting. And he is, indeed! Well, considering all this, it's so easy to see the beginning of a romance here. Even if the next movies don't go that way, it's a fact that there's something there. I wouldn't be surprised if Kylo's admiration for Rey plays a part in his redemption arc, if redemption there is for him. We'll see.
Anyway, this first film has definitely succeeded in installing an interesting dynamic between these two characters, with only few elements!

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phantomdeviant In reply to Myrrha-Silvenia [2016-01-04 05:51:10 +0000 UTC]

I agree completely with everything you said! (I apologize in advance for writing you a novel of a response)

 I had the same reaction to the "Kylo Ren carrying Rey" scene - at first, I was very taken aback by the intimacy of the gesture because, at first, it seemed so out of place. I agree that the act itself was very theatrical. After you mentioned that, I thought about the duel at the end and thought the word was very characteristic of his fighting style. The "bridal-carrying" scene was also significant, I think, because the act established a dynamic separate from the one shard by Finn and Rey. Finn and Rey have a very sweet dynamic and its obvious that Finn's affections fore her are more than platonic. But, if you notice, anytime Finn goes to establish proximity of physical intimacy, whether it's trying to hold her hand or climbing through the hole in the floor of the ship at the same time, Rey pulls away or pushes him off. While these interactions are humorous and endearing, in this context the viewer sees Rey as tough and tomboyish (for lack of a better word). Around Kylo Ren, we see a different side of Rey. When they first meet in the forest, Rey is very emotional and vulnerable, possibly the most vulnerable we see her in the entire movie.

When she fainted into his arms and he carried her to the ship, I thought it was touching how gentle he was with her in her moment of vulnerability. And, like you said, during the interrogation scene, he assuages her fears by revealing himself as a vulnerable, emotional human being. When he first removes his helmet, Rey continues to look guarded but the expression on her face changes subtly. I feel that she was just as taken aback by him as everyone else was in the theater. Even in the script, it is written that she is stunned and has to make a concerted effort to maintain her mask of defiance. Also in the script, it mentions that both Rey and Kylo Ren feel an energy pass between them that momentarily causes them to forget they are adversaries. This is the moment in the movie where their faces are extremely close and he is catching glimpses of her mind.  Everything about these two scenes, specifically, sets Rey's relationship with Kylo Ren apart.

With that being said, the movie also established Kylo Ren and Finn as opponents in almost every sense of the word. There is absolutely no love lost between them. Like you, I don't know where the writers plan on taking the story and how they will render future interactions. I have seen the movie twice so far and have checked out both the script and the novelization - and the more I am exposed, the more certain I am of what I initially sensed. I am fascinated by these two because their relationships so far is so complex and runs rather deep. There is the sexual tension, of course, but there is also the emotional, the metaphysical, the challenge they both pose to each other. At this point, Rey does not trust him, though she is intrigued and, as you put it, disconcerted. Kylo Ren seems to care about her and her opinion of him.

In my second viewing of the movie, I picked up on other things I found interesting. When it is mentioned that BB-8 escaped with the help of a "girl", Kylo Ren immediately reacts. Prior to this, he entrusted the task of locating the map to his subordinates. From the moment he learns of Rey's involvement, he becomes personally involved and handles situations apart from everyone else. Later, General Hux and Kylo Ren argue over acquiring the map, and General Hux suspects the other of selfish motives for acquiring the droid (as Snoke had vocalized plans contrary to Ren's, leading me to believe that Ren has his own motives altogether). Also, in the forest scene, up until this point Kylo Ren has been focused on tracking down BB-8 alone. As he carries Rey, he tells the others to forget the droid as they have what they need. In the interrogation scene, however, he questions her about map. Even though she had seen it, it would have been much easier for him to track down the BB-8 and have the hard copy of the map. In many ways, Rey should have been disposable to the First Oder, but Kylo Ren treated her as being invaluable.

I have the impression that Ren knows who Rey is and part of the interrogation was used as a way of challenging the Force in her and drawing out her powers. When Snoke learns that Ren was not able to get the map from her and becomes angry, Ren defends his intentions toward Rey and pleads for more time along with Snoke's guidance. In my opinion, I think Ren seems powerful enough to force what he wants from Rey without Snoke's help. To me, it seemed like he was buying himself more time to fulfill his own agenda with Rey. There is always the sense that, while he is provoking a response from her, he is never attempting to overpower her. Another interesting point involves Han Solo. When Han sees that Rey has been captured and is being taken by Ren, he is not concerned in the least. It may have been because he was overwhelmed by the sight of his son, but the lack of concern on Rey's behalf demonstrates something, perhaps trust.

The last thing big thing I noticed, which may be pure speculation on my part, involves Han's death. First: when Leia embraces Han and expresses her confidence over Han's ability to bring their son back, Han's face is very grim by contrast. She dos not see his expression, but it seems as though he knows something she doesn't and feels guilty. Prior to the bridge scene, Han and co. split up to plant the explosives. Simultaneously, Kylo Ren separates from his subordinates. At the beginning of the shot, Ren is seen walking out towards the bridge and then Han is seen following, having come from the exact same place. While the two are on the bridge, they talk long enough to gain an audience, ensuring many witnesses to Han's death. It is evident from both the movie, the script, and the novelization that Kylo Ren received no satisfaction from his father's death. In fact, it weakened him and made him further conflicted about the dark side. Earlier in the movie, Snoke had been the one to press Ren about killing his father as the last test to his training. Maybe it's just me, but I think there is going to me more to Han's death and Kylo Ren's relationship with Snoke. Again, I apologize for writing you a novel - your response inspired more thought.

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to phantomdeviant [2016-01-05 22:37:20 +0000 UTC]

Oh my God I absolutely love that "novel of a response", don't worry!

Haha, I made fun of the "bridal-carrying" scene, because it was a bit over the top and it tells so much about Kylo, but I totally enjoyed it at the same time. The timing was so perfectly calculated when she faints, it's almost like a choreography (rehearsals of this scene must have been funny). I won't lie, I found it pretty damn sexy.

Anyway, you're right, Rey's scenes with Kylo have a tone of intimacy which is new in the film when it happens, and very different from her dynamic with Finn, which is sweet and friendly. If she falls in love with Finn in the future, it would certainly be progressive, because what they have in this film is a strong friendship with tender moments. On the contrary, Kylo is presented as a dark, dangerous, and seductive figure. Even if Rey is not involved in any romantic relationship, Finn and Kylo could easily be seen as her two potential lovers. And as such they embody the two classic opposite types of romantic interests : the hero and the "dangerous lover". It's almost a traditional gothic scenario we have here : the heroine is captured by a dangerous man and the hero/sweet friend comes to rescue her. And Kylo is the traditional enigmatic, fascinating, mesmerizing "villain". Intense, with a typical magnetic gaze (he's described having precisely this "intense gaze" in the novelization). Well, you like the Phantom of the Opera, so you know what I mean: they're a kind of Erik/Christine/Raoul triangle. Not that Kylo has exactly his "Music of the Night-moment" with Rey, but he tries, in a way. (Even the mask thing works, when I think about it. And the teacher thing. Kylo could totally be a young Erik)
Anyway, it's also a great thing that the film plays with that "gothic" trope and then completely reverses it in the end, when Rey blatantly defeats Kylo Ren during their final duel.

It's true that the film gives the impression that Kylo knows more about Rey than herself, and that he has his all agenda. He's always gentle with her (well, before he knocks her out against a tree...), which is coherent if his goal is indeed to awake her power, to train and guide her.

Concerning Han, there are so many things we don't know about their family business, it's almost painful. His reaction to Rey's capture was a bit odd. He's definitely troubled by the view of his son. But is it trust? It could be. I don't know. I think that he feels his fate is sealed in a way. Indeed, when Leia says "bring him home", he knows he won't come back. What was really going on on that bridge? We'll have to wait to find out. But obviously Kylo Ren is stuck between two figures of authority : Han (and also Luke, but we don't know what happened with him), and Snoke, not unlike Anakin before his fall, torn apart between his loyalty to Obi Wan (and Mace Windu and the Jedi in general) and Palpatine's influence. Kylo Ren's murder of Han is reminiscent of Mace Windu's death by Palpatine and Anakin. When he has to choose, Anakin chooses his new master over his "family" (the Jedi) and immediatly regrets it. Kylo also had this "what have I done" moment. For both of them, there's no way back after that. Until light enters their life again. For Vader, it was Luke, for Kylo, will it be Rey ? Or his family ?

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to DarkPrincess116 [2016-01-03 00:29:58 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. I'm glad you like :3

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Myrrha-Silvenia In reply to nightwish77 [2016-01-02 21:13:43 +0000 UTC]

Thank you ! :3

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