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Published: 2012-03-03 05:32:32 +0000 UTC; Views: 966; Favourites: 27; Downloads: 5
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Rush Limbaugh has apologized for his remarks aimed towards Ms. Fluke.
"My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices."
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A Georgetown University law student who was not allowed to testify at that House hearing on women's contraception (You know, the one where there were zero women on the panel) has spoken out in favor of President Obama's regulations mandating contraception coverage on the basis of women's health rather than solely for preventing pregnancies.
In response, Rush Limbaugh attacked the woman, calling her a "slut" and a "prostitute," asking why the tax payers should have to pay for her to have sex, and likening tax payers to "pimps" and "Johns". (Hear the ABC News story here , including Rush's comments) Additionally, he says:
"So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch."
(hear it here! )
In response to the number 1 right wing talk show host's vicious and sexist attacks, the student (Sandra Fluke), had this to say:
"I guess my reaction is the reaction a lot of women have when they've been called these names. Initially you're stunned but then, very quickly, you're outraged because this is, historically, the kind of language that is used to silence women, especially when women stand up and say that these are their reproductive health care needs and this is what they need."
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I couldn't really think of anything wittier to say. Suggestions? I'll change it if I find one I really like.
So what are your thoughts?
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yeah. he was more self-sufficient than occupy wall street when he was 10? well, when he was about 20, he dropped out of college & went crying back to "daddy" & lived with him
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I could start a 40-page rant about what a moron Rush Limbaugh is for his comments about Sandra Flue, but I'm not going to. How does he know that she was using birth control for sex? Maybe she used it to balance hormones. Maybe she has to take them to prevent certain diseases. He doesn't know, so he has no right to call her a prostitute.
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Ironically, blowhard conservatives like him claim to be "gentlemen" and "family men"....because a true gentleman would totally call a woman a slut, ya know?
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That's a good point!
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I really hated it when Rush Limbaugh said that stuff and I was mad when my friend supported him (he stopped now).
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I was going to make a stamp on this. Dammit you beat me to it Dx
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Lol Sorry D: Go ahead and make it anyway, I like your stamps better than mine haha! XD
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Considering the democrats' attacks on Sarah Palin (including blaming her for an assassination attempt on a senator), I'm not real sorry for what happened to Sandra; it's part of the game when you get involved in politics, so you either fish or cut bait.
Also, when you actually think about it (yes, I know how unpopular that is for some people), Rush has ZERO ability to silence anyone.
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"(including blaming her for an assassination attempt on a senator)"
Er, could you give me a link on this story(hopefully not from an overly conservative source, i.e. Fox News)? I've never heard of that before.
I don't believe that calling people "sluts" and "prostitutes" is part of any game when getting involved in politics - and if it were, it would definitely be likened to an offsides offense or a red card. I mean, come on. You don't see us crazy liberal nutjobs going around screaming about how Michele Bachmann is a slut, or how Palin is a prostitute. The woman was being professional in what she was doing, and instead was served with the behavior equal to that of a pissed off, hormonal teenage boy. I have plenty of sympathy for HER, and none for Rush. None. Whatsoever.
Also, I don't think the message Sandra was passing along in her response was that Rush has zero ability to silence anyone, but instead to point out that this guy is using typical misogynistic language that tends to come out when women start talking about and fighting for their rights.
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"I don't believe that calling people "sluts" and "prostitutes" is part of any game when getting involved in politics - and if it were, it would definitely be likened to an offsides offense or a red card. I mean, come on. You don't see us crazy liberal nutjobs going around screaming about how Michele Bachmann is a slut, or how Palin is a prostitute."
Perhaps, but I do remember your side calling Bush Hitler and suggesting he deserved to be assassinated.
Also, Rush'es language aside, he was correct in his criticism of what Sandra was essentially calling for (that other people should be required to pay for women's contraceptives). The right of women to use them means they have the right to take action to acquire them without fear of physical force being used to prevent them from doing so; it does not mean they have the right to force other people to provide them against their will or pay for them.
This article explains: [link]
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I've read the information you have pointed me to, and it does say that the press was responsible for accusing Palin of this - not necessarily democrats as a whole. Just as you wouldn't expect me to assume that all republicans think that college is evil simply based on what just a few people who happen to be republicans say. It's just ridiculous to presume that you know everything about everyone that subscribes to a particular political belief just from a few rotten apples who've fallen from the tree.
"Perhaps, but I do remember your side calling Bush Hitler and suggesting he deserved to be assassinated."
God, are we really descending into the whole "he said she said" thing? I mean, I could drag up a whole list of completely disrespectful things that have been said about Obama in the past four years by members of "your side". That being said, at least whenever actually meeting Bush when he was president, liberals actually treated the guy with some respect despite their disagreements. I mean, when you have completely disrespectful behavior like the type seen from Jan Brewer ... Yeah. There's a difference.
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"God, are we really descending into the whole "he said she said" thing? I mean, I could drag up a whole list of completely disrespectful things that have been said about Obama in the past four years by members of "your side"."
I don't grant double-standards; if the democrats are going to start protesting the actions of republicans, I'm going to point it out when they did the same thing and said it was okay. And you could, except I wouldn't look it as anything but the natural part of politics and wouldn't give much of a damn. Dear leader took that burden when he decided to run.
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Limbaugh is a jackass. The man (and I use that term loosely) belongs in either a cave or a cage, and I don't care which.
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A cage inside a cave would work.
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I hope the bloated old blowheart od's on oxycontin sooner or later. Everything that spews out of that gaping maw of his has been and always will be pure unrefined excrement. Sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-humanity drivel. And to top it off he was a hardcore junkie who unironically advocates giving drug users the death penalty. The day his arteries clog and his heart bursts in his chest, and he fall flat like a beached whale will be a glorious one.
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Hehe, no dissent allowed with you, eh?
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Yeah, dissent is certainly allowed. This was mine. I don't have a forum that influences millions, but I'll speak my mind out against a lifetime bigot like that. The fact he called a woman a slut and requested that she film a porn tape of her being fucked is something worth dissenting about. He has his opinion, I have mine.
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Did you raise similar objections over the insults said about Palin, including the undeserved blame she got for a US senator's attempted assassination?
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I hold objections against Palin for many other reasons. I think it was a bad coincidence with that website, but that issue is different. I'm talking about Rush Limbaugh directly being misogynistic in regards to a woman defending rights to contraception.
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A woman's right to contraception means the right to take action to acquire them without fear of physical force being used to prevent them (ie, the law). It does not include the right to have someone else pay for it or provide it against their will.
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Actually it also does include the right for them to be paid on insurance as they do provide many health benefits for woman and are not just used for not getting pregnant.
Seriously, a woman's period is never the same as the person next to them. Some are just too excruciating to be able to handle (in terms of pain) others the bleeding gets to be so bad that it leads to anemia. Others the pain leads to nausea and loss of color in the face, cause women to be dizzy (mine do this), etc.
So really it's common sense for birth control to be provided by insurance companies as it's beneficial to women. Especially since anemia is a dangerous condition for women and or are more prone to developing it versus men
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If someone needed a heart transplant in order to live, and yours was the only one available that would work, would you support being forced to give it up against your will?
Nothing, not even hardships, grants anyone a claim over the life and property of others against their will. I'm sorry for what you have to live with, but that does not grant you a claim over my life or give the right to force me (or anyone else) to support you without my consent.
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Except it's not forcing you but forcing the insurance companies to ACTUALLY cover us instead of screw us over.
Then again I bet you would be fine if women has to pay for your penis pumps and viagra and other forms of penis enlargement pills for your erectile disfuction.
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The attitude is unnecessary, miss "agree with me or you're evil". I'll pretend you're actually asking a legitimate question and say no; unlike many people, I practice what I preach.
And a corporation is run by an individual just like me, and if his rights are not safe, mine aren't either...and neither are yours.
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Actually my attitude didn't say agree with me or you're evil. It was a very legitimate question. I mean seriously if women have to go through invasive procedures in order to obtain birth control or even have birth control not covered then men should go through the same things as women do to obtain viagra or other penis enlarging medication to take care of their erectile dysfunction.
And insurance companies are eliminating our rights by refusing to cover us for pre-existing conditions. So your point about rights is invalid.
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You could've just said that instead of flashing attitude. The latter doesn't help your case.
You have no right to another person's property. It's the insurance company that puts up the money and could lose it if you turn out to be a bad investment, ergo the right is theirs to choose who to invest it in.
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I wasn't flashing an attitude though. How's about stop projecting your own attitude?
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I don't care about Ms. Fluke's sex life, but why do I be forced to have to use my tax dollars to pay for her contraceptives? Or why should the college be forced to pay for it?
Whatever happened to buying your own shit? Why can't she cut back on other expenses, like cable, to buy birth control? Why can't she go to her local Planned Parenthood for affordable birth control? Why can't she just, oh I dunno, go without having sex?
As I recall, Ms. Fluke said that without insurance, she'd have to spend over $3,000 for contraception over three years of law school. A journalist did the math and at about a dollar per condom at CVS Pharmacy, someone must be having sex three times a day every day to incur that kind of expense. A NuvaRing lasts a month and costs about $300 annually; although I wouldn't call her a slut, I have to call bullshit on her claims regarding the costs.
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As I understand it, it's not so much the tax payers paying for the contraceptives as it is the insurance companies that the businesses paid for, or that the colleges pay for. If you think about it, it's a better investment to pay for contraceptives rather than having to pay for all the health care involved in a pregnancy... But hey, that's just my thinking.
It's not necessarily her sex life that she's talking about - and while we're on that topic, her argument isn't solely about sex - it's about the reproductive health of women who can't afford these contraceptives. Yes, contraceptives help to lower the chances of pregnancy, but they also have other purposes - like preventing cysts from growing.
I have a friend - her doctor told her that to help prevent these cysts from growing, she should go on some form of hormonal contraceptive. Her family's religious beliefs are against contraceptives, and as a result, she had to have that ovary removed. She HAD the option to do it, but chose not to. But the women who can't afford these things, the women who WANT to prevent the removal of their ovaries and other reproductive health problems that occur without contraceptives, they can't have that option because it's simply not plausible in their current situation.
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If there is a legitimate medical need for contraceptives for ovarian conditions or something similar, the insurance is supposed to cover it. If I recall correctly, there are other treatments for ovarian cysts that don't involve the pill.
...Or, again, buy your own shit. There are a lot of low-cost options available through private venues. I spend hundreds of dollars each month out-of-pocket for medications just to stay alive, but I don't expect the government or my employer to pay for my health problems.
Also, the insurance paying for the medication does not make it free--that cost is reflected in the higher insurance premiums that we have to pay.
There's also the problem of a Catholic college like Georgetown being mandated by the government to subsidize something that the Catholic Church objects to, which is obviously a First Amendment issue.
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Except birth control has never been covered by insurance even in the 1990's. Again there are a lot of benefits to birth control that are not limited to pregnancy such as shortened periods and lesser cramps.
Interestingly enough there was a recent poll that showed that 90% of Catholic women have used birth control in the past or are currently on birth control. It's fine if the Church wants to be behind in the times, however their practioners seem to use birth control regardless, so it's not an issue of first amendment but an issue of the ninth amendment: People's Rights.
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I do agree with you on how it does breach their first amendment rights. Although - hopefully it's not too off topic, but I'm a bit confused about the whole Catholic argument against contraception in general. I mean, I guess I just don't get it that they support neither contraception nor abortion. Shouldn't they be supporting contraception, if it helps to lower the chances of an unwanted pregnancy, which would in turn lower the chances of an abortion?
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If I recall correctly, the Catholics believe that all sex acts "must be both unitive and procreative," and birth control interferes with the natural and God-given process of fertility.
At any rate, you're free to disagree with their beliefs, but the government is not allowed to interfere with them or force them to act in a way contrary to them. That's the real issue here.
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Ah, right. Thanks for clearing that up.
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One of the problems with Rush is that it's questionable on how much he believes in the things he says. He (and a lot of political talking heads) say things just to be controversial so he'll get attention.
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Regardless of what he believes, it was still very inappropriate for him to say such offensive things... :/
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I take it you raised similar objections to the attacks on Sarah Palin?
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Maher is always very vocal with his opinions, but no, I'm not about to rush to his defense - I don't think that sort of behavior and name-calling is very mature or appropriate. That being said, you do realize that Bill Maher is a primarily a comedian, right?
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And Rush is a radio host, with no more power to do anything but talk. In both cases, if you don't like what they say, you're free not to listen to them, rather than starting some moral crusade that blows things out of proportion.
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