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Published: 2011-04-10 19:04:00 +0000 UTC; Views: 1191; Favourites: 24; Downloads: 17
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We're all just machines, aren't we? Only some are made out of muscles and bone, while others are metal and cogs.A human girl and an android girl.
I've always been fascinated by the idea of androids (and cyborgs that are more machine than human). Would they be the same as humans? Think the same? Have the same emotions, if any at all? If we were able to perfectly reproduce the human brain, but 100% artificial, wouldn't that be the same thing? Because our brains and bodies are essentially organic machines, aren't they? Could we even improve those brains to make their artificial feelings more "real" and less hormone-based than ours?
.... I find things like these incredibly interesting to ponder. Eheh. <3
Also. Would love work the same way? Could an artificial person fall in love? Or would it all be mimicry of the "real" thing, without emotion? But if emotion is really just the machineries of our brains working, then wouldn't digital love be just as real as organic love?
So.... yeah. TL;DR: I... I like drawing robots.
With lots of metal and cords and bolts.
And I like drawing cutesy girl X girl.
And I've been really sick the last week so I drew this when I needed some cheering-up. Yay <3
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Oh.... my.... gawd.... Så jävla snygg... Seriously..
Min mun är nere vid källaren nu.... Sitter på övervåningen.
Mästerverk, indeed. Bakgrund.... Android... mekanism...... KAN DET BLI BÄTTREEEEEE?!!!!!! 
Seriöst, gurl, så jävla bra.... Är avis, har alltid velat kunna rita mekaniska saker som robotar etc. Ska försöka ännu mer att lära mig det.
Dessutom prickar du in på allt du gillar med saker som jag gillar också, and dat approves A LOT xD
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Waaaaaah tack Q___Q
Mekanik&robotar är NÄJS <3
Haha vet du hur man säger det på ett enklare sätt? Vi har lik smak, kanske? xDD
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..... ja, det var smart, ska tänka på det xDDDD
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THIS IS AWESOME~~~~~ 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
like like like so much
WOOOH!! Thank you so much, and I'm totally flattered because your art is awesome
(yuri all the way across the sky, yeah~)
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You Paint so good! I love the scene is so lovely but kind of sad <3 and your artist comment! HUR This can be a Great History~ Best Combination
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Aww, thanks a lot
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Mmm, i agree it's interesting to ponder... but at this stage it's largely hypothetical so we don'tneed to worry about it so much...
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Yes, of course, those technologies are probably still far away. Still, I personally think the pondering in itself is interesting, heh
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I totally love Androids!!! And even more in combination with yuri^^ I like how you think about their emotions, especially about the idea of love as mimicry. not only the art itself, especially your comment on it makes me love it! ^^
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Thank you!
Haha, robots and yuri are among my favourite things to draw. Win!
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> Would they be the same as humans? Think the same?
Only if we design them to be that way. For most practical purposes, it would not be a good idea to do so, e.g. if you want android servants it would be both immoral and dangerous to design them with human-like goals, emotions and self-awareness.
> Have the same emotions, if any at all?
Human emotions are actually one of the easier bits of the brain to replicate. It's not hard to see why; many animal species have emotions, even ones with relatively simple brains, language and abstract reasoning are specific to humans. However the fact that it's possible doesn't make it a good idea. If you are 'uploading' an existing human mind into an android body then you'd want to replicate everything as closely as possible. However if you're building an android from scratch, giving it emotions is usually a bad idea. You might give it a simple simulation of them for social reasons, but fully implementing human-like emotions is a fairly useless and pretty cruel thing to do (for servant androids).
> If we were able to perfectly reproduce the human brain, but 100% artificial, wouldn't that be the same thing?
Yes. This is the goal of current brain simulation research.
> Because our brains and bodies are essentially organic machines, aren't they? Could we even improve those brains to make their artificial feelings more "real" and less hormone-based than ours?
Theoretically yes, depending on your definition of 'real'. Human emotions are pretty crude because the biochemical signalling channels used are slow and low-bandwidth. You could implement much more sophisticated emotional mechanisms, but in an AI system emotions are always going to be inferior to logic-based approaches for any sort of real-world task.
> Also. Would love work the same way? Could an artificial person fall in love?
Yes, if you chose to implement that functionality.
> Or would it all be mimicry of the "real" thing, without emotion? But if emotion is really just the machineries of our brains working, then wouldn't digital love be just as real as organic love?
This is up to the designer. Assuming sufficiently advanced knowledge of how the human brain works (which we do not have yet, but might soon), they can either exactly reproduce the human attraction mechanisms, in which case it will be as 'real' what a human experiences, or they can chose some other mechanism that produces similar external behavior (which may or may not be 'fake' depending on your point of view).
(I am a full-time AI researcher/programmer)
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Wow, I didn't think someone who actually knows something about these
things would come along and explain them. Thank you, that was a very
interesting read!
Most things are about the same as I would've guessed but it's neat
hearing it from someone who works with this kind of research.
"Human emotions are pretty crude because the biochemical signalling
channels used are slow and low-bandwidth. You could implement much more
sophisticated emotional mechanisms"
That was precisely what I was wondering, I had a hunch it would be
something like this but I don't really know much about the human
brain VS electronics so this was great info.
Also, I get that implementing an android with emotions and self-awareness
simulating that of a human wouldn't really have much practical use, and
it would probably face a LOT of opposition due to ethical reasons and so
on. But I do think that when we get to the point that it's technically
possible, someone is going to do it anyway. Either to prove that they're
basically equal to god or something along those lines, or just to see if they can and if it works.
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OMG!!!!! if aliens where humans/robotar så skulle de fan se ut så där!!!dräääägggllllaaaar!!! omg!omg!omg! fml öhuhuhu vill måla som du och backgrunden wtf! du är en gud för mig nu linn...! jag är nu din vithyadeslav! snälla låt mig bara vara nära dina bilder<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<33<3<3<3<3<3<3<33<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<33<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
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Alltsåååååå you people ni smickrar mig för myckeeeet xDDD
Men mwiihhh tack :''D <3
.... och lol klart jag är en gud |D Insåg du det först nu? Det är dags att ni alla blir mina slavar. Muahahahahhhhhh~ .......... eller också inte xD
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MAAAJSS 
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
JAG HAR NOG INTE ENS ORD ATT FÖRKLARA HUR MYCKET JAG ÄLSKAR DEN HÄR.
HÄR ÄR ETT FÖRSÖK:
Tja.. typ sådär ja.
MEN EEEEEK, SO PRETTY.
Älskar hur du gjort flickans hud.
Och håret på bägge.
OCH ALLT PÅ HELA BILDEN
AFFFGLURRRGHHHH.
-dör-
J-j-jag tror att Emilie tyckte min bild var fin 8''D <33
Men hahahhhahh tack så mycket wahhhhhhh
Jag håller med dig om att hud är kul att måla (fastän jag brular rita iaf lite kläder också xDD) och hår.... är det roligaste som finns att måla |DDD (och metall<3)
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