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GreaseRoach [2013-10-10 04:26:34 +0000 UTC]
This is a well-thought out species and all, but there is one thing which is really bothering me. Forgive me if this sounds nit-picky/anal, but there is a huge, huge implausibility with egg-laying sapient creatures (and I mean HUGE; it is well outside of the realm of reason). The description of this satire piece of mine explains why: exodrake.deviantart.com/art/Th…
(I apologize for the passive-aggressive tone of that description; it is not in any way directed towards you. I made that rant because of criticism of my Exodrake species a while back which has dissipated after I posted those rebuttals)
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-10 05:52:52 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I didn't fully explain how that works. The embryo develops over the winter months (somewhat slowly) inside the mother before they're put into the plants, so that could be when the brain develops, I guess. I can't say I knew that was a problem before now, though. No chance a brain can develop after hatching? I mean, we are talking about what could or could not be possible in life that may or may not have developed outside of Earth norms. Ah well, I'm going for pseudoscience anyway, because how likely are any of my designs, really?
And you've stumbled upon a somewhat old reference. The species has changed a bit since then, but I haven't posted anything recent thanks to college studio hours.
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GreaseRoach In reply to Nickala [2013-10-10 18:59:09 +0000 UTC]
I have an idea which retains the general idea but eliminates the egg factor. The eggs just have to go because they are restrictive prisons which work for blue-collar animals and birds, but not creatures of or above our complexity.
How about they develop internally until their brain is functional enough (I'm thinking winter to winter, to keep the seasonal thing), then give birth to a larval offspring inside of a plant where it feeds and develops limbs? Because their birthing apparatus is so narrow, it could explain the need to develop limbs externally, but the brain has to be set up before it becomes conscious because if it's not, there's no need to ever develop that higher complexity later because the organism is more than smart enough to survive as-is. Does any of this make sense or am I just rambling?
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-10 22:08:50 +0000 UTC]
Actually, that was the original idea, but... it's just easier to say "lays an egg." I guess the original idea got lost somewhere along the way. I need to pick your brain more often, you know what you're talking about.
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-11 01:05:21 +0000 UTC]
I are not gud with words.
I will keep that in mind!
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-11 02:05:54 +0000 UTC]
Fellow aspie! I'm not as much about the biology as the design, but I'm an artist first, so forgive me if all of my stuff is riddled with inaccuracies. XD I just find I need at least a bit of biology because there is a great deal of cultural stuff linked to basic (or not so basic) biology. I am more about how possible cultures might come from certain types of creatures and worlds, plausible or not, so I do have other actual sentient egg-layers among my babies, whoops. Ah well, I like the science-is-magic branch of science fiction, anyway. I can go a bit crazier with everything which suits me. I admire people who design critters like you do! I'd have trouble with it, and I don't even pretend to lecture people on xenobiology.
It is irritating when groups keep turning down your work for no good reason... and it is also irritating when people get on your case about stuff when it makes no sense that they should (what you did was infodumping, not getting on my case, and you obviously know your shit ).
And the worst part of all, people being condescending... It's like a kick in the teeth. :C
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GreaseRoach In reply to Nickala [2013-10-11 06:34:09 +0000 UTC]
I don't mind pure fantasy as it often has a retroactive effect on suspension of disbelief - it causes a phenomenon where it doesn't even try to begin with so it's just a fun fantastic ride. Science fiction all too often peeves me since it tends to ditch the "science" aspect. I can accept One Piece more than I can Halo, for instance. Ugh the eggabooism in that series. Get it out of my face before I erupt.
I have a lot of pet peeves with fantasy egg-laying species because nobody ever takes into account the limitations of egg-laying. There's always a tradeoff. You can't have therian mammal complexity with oviparity.
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-11 15:29:55 +0000 UTC]
Well,either way you slice it, we're both creating species that do not and will not exist. There is more than one way to write science fiction, and if I took your approach, I would no longer have fun with it. Please do not tell me how I should practice one of my favorite hobbies. There are more branches of science you can include in science fiction than biology.
I'm sorry you seem to take offense to the way I do it. I'm also sorry people are being idiots with you. I am not one of those people and I would appreciate it if you not attack people who go at the genre of science fiction in a similar manner to me while speaking with me. It's very similar to what the idiots are doing to you and I can assure you, it feels just about as nice.
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GreaseRoach In reply to Nickala [2013-10-11 19:19:34 +0000 UTC]
Ich, I'm sorry if I got a little snippy there. If that's how you enjoy doing things then by all means continue. I was just venting a general pet peeve because it seems you're willing to hear me out.
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-11 20:15:59 +0000 UTC]
That's okay! I totally understand where you're coming from, except I catch a lot of flak from the guys trying to be accurate (same problem, opposite sides). People get crazy about certain things in science fiction sometimes. I was just feeling a little attacked, but it was a misunderstanding! I'm sorry for snapping. C:
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GreaseRoach In reply to Nickala [2013-10-11 20:22:55 +0000 UTC]
No it's okay. I need a dose of your perspective because I get so overzealous and anal with realism sometimes. I just want to say that I don't mind a lot of science fiction ideas, like speedy space travel. I very specifically have a pet peeve for the oviparous race thing, and female aliens being given human secondary sex characteristics verbatim, especially when they are given faux "boobs". Most other sci-fi I can live with. Fantasy technology is fine by me because, hell, the iPhone I typed this message on was science fiction in the 80's. I like seeing diverse alien races as long as they have the advantages we have which are needed for intelligence, or analogues to them. There are many ways this can work so for me, it still leaves lots of room to be creative.
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-11 22:07:43 +0000 UTC]
And I could always use a dose of yours, as well! I can tell you're very passionate about this. XD
Speedy space travel is convenient for plot devices and such. While I have seen some excellent stories with more realistic space travel times (i.e. slower than light), there are so many things with that method of travel that lend themselves more to psychological exploration than space exploration. After all, that is essentially a one-way trip depending on how far out the spacecraft is going, so you can kiss your loved ones, your home, and a normal life goodbye.
Science fiction writers do tend to go overboard with "these aliens lay eggs!!" I'll bet it's a trope by now. That and reproduction via cloning (which has some serious genetic variation repercussions unless they factor in variation). Oh man, I had a friend that really got on me about "why doesn't she have boobs?!" it gets really annoying explaining over and over that they don't lactate, they're not mammals, etc etc etc...
I guess I'll be keeping that egg thing in mind from now on! It's amazing what you keep learning from making made-up alien species...
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GreaseRoach In reply to Nickala [2013-10-12 18:40:03 +0000 UTC]
Lately I've begun to accept the idea of yin and yang. One clause suggests that truth and ideals, while different, are both equally right. I personally like to keep them separate, though. For instance, the conventions I use for designing (semi) original Fandomon versus Pesticide ad Hominem cast members are eons apart. In my opinion (I know others feel differently), realism and idealism are like bleach and toilet bowl cleaner. They're great on their own when used properly and neither is really better than the other, but mixing them produces toxic results. This is just my obviously unpopular opinion though. I can see why people enjoy moderate doses of both in their fiction.
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Nickala In reply to GreaseRoach [2013-10-12 19:18:35 +0000 UTC]
I'm obviously of a differing opinion, but if everyone mixed "toilet bowl cleaner" and "bleach" it'd be boring as hell. Same as if everyone only strictly used each separately. I've seen fantastic stories that used elements of idealism and realism. Sure, there are parts that make you cringe because you know the science is wacky, but that shouldn't ruin the story. And I've seen both elements mixed beautifully. Ever read the Young Wizard series? It's heavy on the fantasy, but it mixes elements of science fiction and I love it to pieces. Again, I am more about building worlds and exploring them and less about being in a realistic setting. I read and write and create to take a break from the real world because sometimes the real world sucks (but it has it's moments).
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GreaseRoach In reply to Nickala [2013-10-14 22:17:33 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I don't know how to explain it, it's this weird sort of double standard which has everything to do with presentation. It's like shipping; I don't mind people slashing what they please, as long as they don't try presenting it as fact. If they acknowledge it's just fantasy I'm cool with it hut when they try validating their implausible slash pairing, it sets off a red flag in my brain. I think this is the same psychological basis for my views on fantasy creatures. Dunno it's weird, and tbh I feel guilty because I wish I could just carelessly enjoy fantasy creatures like most people :/
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GreaseRoach In reply to Nickala [2013-10-10 18:44:49 +0000 UTC]
Actually, no it's not because the early prenatal developmental phases are essential for setting up the extremely complex structure. This is an issue of physics, which apply everywhere in the universe. Being aliens doesn't resolve the impossibility.
Also what is the point of laying eggs after a period of internal development? It accomplishes nothing except greatly reducing the survival rate. Also since eggs are limited in size by physics, they physically cannot hold the large brain and the large amount of energy which would still be needed. No matter how you spin it, it's impossible. At best, it is extremely impractical, which equates to impossible in terms of evolution because the most practical designs always win.
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