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I'd appreciate it if you like/comment/subscribe to my youtube. I'm just starting out and I need some support on there!Speedpaint here---> www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCBvrf…
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aww thank you so much!!
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All I can say is, be careful if you decide to incorporate Western-stylized cartooning with a base in anime design. You'll end up with the "long-nose Anime face" with a horse-like nose. I was noticing some of that in your sketchdump (Which I looked at after seeing this picture).
colonelmarksman.deviantart.com…
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Thank you for the tip! I read the tutorial thing and I totally agree with it. This is something that I've been working on ever since I started drawing, because not being able to see my own mistakes is a problem. But it all comes with practice right?
I'll work on this more 
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That tutorial had 2 parts to it, the second part being of strong importance. But anyway...
You have such wonderful and unique work with regards to lines and shading and a special way of doing your own hair, though I prefer the hair in your other styles, it matches better. It's lighthearted but with a stain glass appeal. Your shading is also exceptional.
Your hands are really good too. But it looks like you're studying abstract versions of human anatomy rather than an actual human body. I took a long time (over 3 hours) to study your human artwork and make comparisons to real human faces to see what the problem might be.
colonelmarksman.deviantart.com…
Here I tried recreating the face of a character you drew and she reminded me of Ellie from the game 'The Last of Us' very closely so I used her as the general reference. On the far left is your drawing of Poppy, with lines indicating sections of the face as you drew them. I then Photoshopped-stretched Ellie's face to match the proportions. I then took another artist's fan art of Ellie by and drew the same proportion lines to the head. While this is certainly never required for any form of cartooning, the take on the realistic approach I think makes this important.
After that I finally realized why the neck seemed so long: your collarbone structure is drawn much lower than on a real person and it was also thinner. I also noticed how V-shaped bent your collarbone structure is. This I think causes the face to compensate with being more circular (or actually I think it's the other way around?). This in turn means your foreheads are longer.
When you draw your circles to start the head structure, the intersection point is supposed to be the bottom of the nose, not the top, which I think is where the starting of the issue may lie. That and/or the circles you do draw are too small. Watch what this guy does: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpVllB…
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Look at what this guy does as a poor example; what NOT to do: banzchan.deviantart.com/art/An… ; banzchan.deviantart.com/art/An… He just does his people wrong. I don't know why he seems to insist on drawing different nose and jaw styles (which I like in artwork and incorporate into my own), but will draw incorrect shapes; small pointed noses for big round ones; stubby soft round shape for sharp, long-angled heads. Browsing through his gallery you can see that long-nose anime face all over the place. He also points out, rather coldly, that the portraits he does don't mean much to him and he puts very little priority in them. This means he's liable to take personal deviation from the original person into his own liking, a concept I'm strongly against when it comes to doing portraits for people. This particular artist has a history of caricature and anime works and is trying to cram them together with a more western style. He took a specific turn where he will only accept one particular style now. Just like in the tutorial, he decided he's only going to draw in "his" style.
And he's charging $20 a picture for this crap. Sure they're striking but he's never going to develop and its technically not a style he built. People like it but its very unoriginal.
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ninja1589.deviantart.com/art/M…
^ What's wrong with this? I like this. You should continue drawing like this or at least build your more 'realistic' style off of it.
or even this? > ninja1589.deviantart.com/art/a…
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Thanks SO much for the critique, although I'm still a bit confused. Are you saying that you think I would benefit more by studying more human anatomy? Because if that's what you mean then I totally agree. That is something that I've been working on for a while now. Sometimes it's harder to get my proportions correct because pretty much everything I draw is from my imagination. I spend some time here and there doing gesture drawings and studies, which I think is the only way I can get better with my anatomy/proportions, since the majority of the time I spend drawing is somewhere where I don't have the ability to use a reference photo (or I am just to lazy to look one up haha).
I think that the problem more for me is not that I'm studying abstract human anatomy, but more that I spend most of the time drawing trying to replicate the image of a human that I have in my head. I guess you can call it "my style" or whatever. But don't get me wrong, I seriously want to improve on proportions so other people do not view my work as abstracted or TOO stylized. I hope that made sense?
But I am really glad that you spent the time to study my drawings it seriously means a lot to hear what my stuff looks like from someone who is not me, lol. I like hearing the outsider opinion; I spend a lot of time thinking about this now when I'm drawing.
(Also I get that you don't like the way Banzchan mashed together two conflicting art styles, but I don't think it gives you the right to call his drawings crap. He's not forcing anyone to buy his commissions, people who like his stuff will commission him, no matter if you think it's fair or not fair. I hope I'm not sounding mean, it's just that what you said came across as a bit rude.)
Anyways, thanks so so much for your critique!
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Now that I'm able to see more of how you think and write, I can break this down in more simple terms since what I said was pretty wordy:
- Yes on the study human anatomy.
- Yes made sense.
- - What needs to happen is that the image in your head needs to be the real human figure directly. From that real image, you then draw to your style.
I'm going to use an alternative example that I'm familiar with through personal experience and study: martial arts. It's useful to watch other people do boxing and wrestling, but only with core concepts in mind as the understood base. But when you try to do exactly what they do in a match fight or self defense, your ability is hampered. All you did was memorize the movements and drills any competitive fighter did in those specific scenarios. But we are all different: your size, strengths, and logic processing center is different from the martial artist you were trying to copy. The goal of martial arts (some call it "Kung Fu") is to move away from everybody else and learn yourself, using multiple styles only as a guide to reach that place. You have to find the techniques that work best for you, in your unique situations. Over time you add your own variations that fit, even if they break away from what you learned. Soon all that is left is a flow of martial art style that is as unique as your name.
Yes we are all unique in body and form, but our journey begins finding the right technique style of martial arts that fits that body and form.
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Its the same as art. The goal of the artist is self-expression in the purest form possible. What we are actually doing is moving more and more away from abstractions and cheating with crutches and placeholders and discovering ourselves. We then share that journey of discovery with the wider world.
A style isn't something you do just for style points or because you like it. A style makes up unique preferences based upon your self-expressive needs. I learned that the hard way in cartooning and of course like everyone I'm still learning. I've had to chunk a lot of things that I really personally liked (copied ideas) in favor of what I needed in order to properly express my unique creativity. But I'm still trying to learn how to express myself by watching how other cartoonists achieve their own expressions. Because yes we are all very unique in creativity, but our journey begins finding the right technique style of art that fits our creativity.
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As for Banzchan, I actually enjoy the mashing of those two types of art styles. That's a good thing; its a unique blend of artistic expression that alone neither could seem to fulfill on their own.
What I'm getting at is that he gave up and settled with copying other people's art. He's not developing, he's not learning, and he's not studying his craft or his people; in any medium of skill you usually only do that if you are satisfied that you are perfect (even if you don't know it). On top of that, he is essentially saying: "I don't care about how you look or what you want. Give me $20 and I will make a quick picture I don't care much for and I will change you to my personal taste because I don't want to draw your unique person or look. Instead I am just going to insert symbols I learned from other people." He even notes if its too much trouble for him he won't do it. A true artist, drawing directly from the real deal (the photographs of people he has for reference) would never find something like that too difficult. And if they did, it is a challenge to learn and develop their style.
How would you like it if you paid me money to draw you. So instead, I think you are too ugly in some features and its easier for me to draw you differently using a template tracing I learned from another character I like better. And some parts of you are too hard, so instead since I don't want to put much time or effort into drawing you, I'm just going to ignore that part and use this artwork someone else came up with. No requests or specifics please, I will do what I want. <--- I don't know about you, but to me, that is extremely rude, and he's deceptively subtle about it.
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Okay, that makes a lot more sense! Especially with your example about martial arts. It's really
When I was JUST starting off to draw (like in elementary school) all I did was copy these anime drawings that I found on the internet. I would just repetitively draw the same stereotypical anime face over and over basically, maybe with different hair, but technically it was the same drawing. But eventually, my google searches of anime drawings led me to deviantART, which is where I really discovered that anime wasn't the only type of art, and it was what really inspired me to actually start drawing "my own thing".
But I agree. How can I draw my own thing when all I ever do is look at other artist's styles, right? I think the majority of my anatomy practice is by drawing from references and looking at stuff like --> foervraengd.deviantart.com/gal… But technically, that stuff is stylized too.. Just, where do I begin? (it seems like there is so much that I haven't learned yet and it is extrememly stressful haha). As of now, I have a hard time imagining what my art will look like 20 years from now, so it is a challenge for me to know what I am even building up to.
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You are on my watch-list. I will be waiting for your stuffs.
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