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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-03-16 23:15:48 +0000 UTC]
*le gasp* You do?! Lol, yay! Oh, hah, hah. I don't know, I like to imagine both of that. Hans being deceitful toward Rapunzel, but after he actually gets to know her, he finds himself falling for her despite his better judgment. Rapunzel's just the type that I imagine bringing the best out of everyone. I like to think that she could give him the care and affection that his family never did and that through her, he'd become a better person. I can't help iiiit. T_T You did a video?! Can I see it?!
You should totally do a story! I've been working on one myself, but it's not quite posting ready. Lol, yeah, I remember that. XD Ooh, those, too! Yeah, you should finish what you first chose to do first... wait, did that sentence make sense?!?!?! Yeah, hah, hah!
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-03-22 01:28:36 +0000 UTC]
I could see it that way, too. That may also be true. But then again, like I said, there is a lot of grayness with his character, anything could be untrue or true with Hans. Not to mention, elsanna-fanboy.tumblr.com/post… If she thinks that Hans is a tragic figure, and a consequence of growing up without love, then I don't think he was a crazy psychopath from the start and that his family ostracized him because of that. :/ But I still think since Hans character development was kind of all over the place, it's sort of up to interpretation.
Hm, yeah... I don't necessarily see her as a Messiah, I just think a major trait of hers is bringing the best out of others. Yeah, but as Gothel fell to her death, Rapunzel was visibly upset and reached out toward her. And this is the woman who trapped her in a tower, posed as her mother, mentally/emotionally abused and overall fed her all kinds of lies. At the end of the day, I think Rapunzel's tolerance stretches far wider than even Anna's.
Okay, that's a good idea, the whole Devil Mirror concept.
You're welcome. Yeah, I did! Hah, hah, I wish I'd realized this sooner
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-03-22 02:33:25 +0000 UTC]
Hah, hah, you're welcome! Okay, I agree on that, I think he had some serious issues and they were brought about the series of events that occurred. Although... he could... possibly be a sociopath (someone who is not born without normal human emotions but becomes that way based on their environment for example and pretends to be normal and fool others, but IS capable of caring others) but considering socios are more spontaneous whereas psychos are more meticulous with their motives, Hans... could very well be that instead. And a psychopath can never feel real emotions, they just weren't born that way. T_T
That's a good point. I don't think she excused or rationalized her behavior, I just think, after finding out all that the woman did to her, she'd still do that at all says something about her character. And in Hans/Rapunzel's case she also wouldn't tolerate his manipulative behavior. But if Hans can truly be seen as a tragic character one can feel pity of sympathy for, then I think there's something to work with.
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-03-22 04:31:59 +0000 UTC]
I seee, so basically he's a melting pot. XD Hm, I've never seen that movie before... or heard of it. >.< I'm assuming it's good, though. ^^'
Ahhh, yeah, I was actually thinking about that after I replied before. Point taken.
So, then, disregarding her reaction to Gothel's death, I like to think that Rapunzel is the type of person where even if you seem bad, if you slip a hint of a good side, she can work the rest out of you, like with Flynn, the pub thugs and Maximus. If there was some raw humanity in Hans that showed through... she could possibly do the same with him.
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-03-30 13:18:28 +0000 UTC]
Sure, I'd like to watch it sometime.
Oh, yeah, although Rapunzel also suffered from isolation, she still had a fairly decent childhood, she's more innocent than Elsa. I think the Virgin Mary attitude is strong within Rapunzel as well, very pure, but yeah, Elsa has it, too, just coming from a different place. Yeah, I could see Elsa doing that and it working either in her favor or not. After all, she still is fairly young and naïve. I could definitely see her having that philosophy.
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-04-13 01:07:22 +0000 UTC]
Oh, ha, ha, nah, it's alright. ^^' Ooh, I'll check it out!
Hm, maybe, I'll ask them sometime. Possibly, although I believe, to an extent, Hans drastic character change had to do with the whole "scrap the original story line and remake it" thing the Frozen creators dealt with. But still, that's possible. And would be cool if it's true. XD Oh, I see, her motives are interesting. And I bet, that sounds like, in that situation, that revenge would be very suspenseful.
I agree. Hm, yeah, that doesn't sound right. Exactly, that is a huge part of her character and I can easily see her sympathizing with someone like that. Yeah, true, if Jennifer Lee can imply that one can feel sympathy for Hans. Absolutely.
Yeeesss, that's very true.
Hah, hah, yeah. ;D And if I may ask, what moral tale do you find in Pitch/Elsa? I'm curious to know how you see it. I think I've got a good idea about the purpose behind Eugene/Elsa, since you're the reason I get it, now. XD
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-04-14 01:55:15 +0000 UTC]
Hah, hah, yeah, maybe. XD
To your first bullet point, yes, I absolutely agree. By the way, I can't remember if you had read my Pitch/Elsa explanation or not. I pointed out something similar to this.
To the second, I once again agree! And you make a good point, Anna means a great deal to Elsa, but Jack's sister was really a thing of the past for Jack. I like to imagine him having a moment where he does feel sadness for having died and missed out on growing up with her. But I do think that since it was so very long ago, it doesn't affect him too greatly. Yeah, family is not Jack's character weakness as it is for Pitch and furthermore, Elsa. I also agree that Jack more closely relates to Anna and, yes, sees Elsa as his past sister/mother.
Oh, wow, that does make sense. On the devil-mirror idea as well as Pitch's inner demons. Oh, really? Where did you find the novel profile? I've read bits of his backstory in the novel but would like to see that.
I've never really thought of that before... At least, not in depth... That's why I like this pairing, though, there are so many layers. That being said, it's a very good point you bring up that Pitch ought to be the one to save himself along with the help of his daughter and not Elsa. It's true, since Elsa is struggling with the same thing, how could she help someone else with it.
So, basically, them witnessing each others' struggles is what helps them develop together? They inspire each other to fight their demons, but it's family that really brings them full circle? Trying to make sure I've grasped this correctly. >.< Also, this dynamic can work without a present romance, so what, in your opinion, is the defining factor that makes Pitch/Elsa a romantic relationship?
Absolutely, that's why I've had trouble writing a Pitch/Elsa story, because there's so much and I want to write it out the best I can. I'm writing a Jack/Anna and Pitch/Elsa story and would like to incorporate this dynamic you've presented.
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-04-18 16:38:34 +0000 UTC]
Yay!
First, you know what, I think so, too. There is a sort of erotic undertone to the relationship, considering, as you said, Elsa is seduced by fear. I also have trouble seeing them in a platonic relationship. It's kind of like those bad guy, bad girl duos in the media, heck, Drakken and Shego comes to mind, where you're just thinking... so when are you going to hook up? Because somehow there is this automatic tension.
I agree, as well, although, what do you mean by exorcised? Do you mean when his fear stops feeding upon Elsa?
I once again agree! I don't think I've seen Elsa as a daughter figure before, but I don't think I really like that. He's already got Emily Jane and so I think that would impose on the importance of that relationship. Also, since she has maturity that relates to him, I'm not sure if he could see her as a daughter.
Yeah, I did mention that, lol. Oh, yeah, I can definitely see that as well. Pitch probably would find himself growing attached to her in an unhealthy way.
Yes, she is, for example, in one that I read, she accepted his presence with more or less ease, while in mine, she'll start out more cautious and then gradually become accustomed to his presence.
Oh, wait, when you say exorcised, you mean of the fear that fed upon HIM? I think I get it now XD. I see the same, gradual, but willing. Or perhaps, a mixture. I like to imagine Elsa being conflicted with her emotions, but after sorting them out, becomes willing. Being unwillingly seduced by The Nightmare King would be a great one-shot, I nice symbolic little work. Elsa gives in to fear, in both the physical and mental way. There was actually a nice little story I read about the 1980's fantasy movie Legend in which the heroine succumbs to darkness by the villain, but in a different manner than she expected. I enjoy double-sided trickery like that in stories.
Yeaaah, actually a PitchxElsa fan I know loves Phantom of the Opera, so I do think that formula is very synonymous. Me, too, lol.
I agree, I think there would be that dark, twisted aspect to the relationship. I agree, I think they'd both pick up bad habits from each other in some circumstances. Ah, I see. When you say "When you have two characters who project onto each other, they confuse it with love before they do friendship", what is "They" referring to? The characters, or the shippers?
I totally get that, I think the exact same way that flawed, layered pairings are the best since they are more susceptible being realistic. Ugh, yes! It's been hard for me to properly write out Pitch and Elsa the way I want to. >.<
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-05-26 21:47:05 +0000 UTC]
Hey, it's okay. ^^' Although, I was starting to wonder about your disappearing on me. I was like, she didn't... die, did she?
I agree. I think in general a man finds something appealing in a young woman. Also, yeah, since Elsa's design is quite provocative, lol. I could kind of see the dynamic of a young woman being attracted to an older man. I thought that was a sort of natural thing as well. Maybe not always... I agree, I can see a lot of my ships as just good friends, too. Lol, yeah, but some point strongly to romance.
Oh, okay!
Ah, yes. Lol, yeah, I suppose his attraction to her fear or herself in general would be portrayed best subtly. Sometimes not so much wouldn't hurt, though.
Lol, right. XD True, that makes sense. And... makes a good plotline, Elsa trying to be his salvation, but realizing that it can only come from that person themselves. Actually, I watched the 1979 version of Nosferatu, and the lead female character said something along those lines and it made me think of you and what you said, he, he.
That's really interesting, I need to take note of this stuff you're saying because I'd never thought of it before. I believed in the "save someone from themselves" and "people with similar issues bonding and helping each other". But I guess now I know it's not as simple as that. Yeah, the strongest help is best found through family.
Hah, hah, yeah, they can be, especially if the two different universes are way out there from each other. Trueee. Hah, hah, that's okay.
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-05-31 22:59:13 +0000 UTC]
Oh, lol, okay.
Yeah, and you have reason to suspect
Ah-hah, yes, that's the trickiest type of provocative, when it's subtle or unintended.
Okay, yeah, good point, in Pitch and Eugene's case, that flirtation is just part of their personality. Something tells me it's present in just about any shipping interaction. XD
True. I think that generally happens because women mature faster than men, so we want people on the same maturity level as us, and that's usually the older guys.
I totally can see that as something part of Elsa, good observation!
Tee-hee, yeah XD
Oh, well the original 1922 version is on YouTube for free, since I'm pretty sure it's in the public domain now and the 1979 version I watched on Hulu.com for free. You should check it out sometime. It's not necessarily popular, I found out about it through this silly cameo on SpongeBob and then decided to look into it recently. I mean, he's fairly popular, but not as much as the traditional Dracula.
I see, so it's just part of growing up that we learn this. Hey, that's okay, because, I mean you learned from them and now you realize what was going wrong. I can understand that, I also like to lean on others to the point where I feel like a naked baby when I'm facing a situation on my own. :/
I totally get what you're saying and I think I'm suffering from that. I rely heavily on others' approval to fuel my self-esteem. I'm hoping as I get older and eventually live on my own I can detach myself from that need. It's like a self-conscious thing and I need to break out of it. That's totally true, the media portrays relying on others for things you lack in is a good thing or romantic or whatever, but obviously, based off of what you say, it's like you said, promoting dependency. It's not the first time the media has led people to believe something romanticized and not true.
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-06-09 22:55:11 +0000 UTC]
Lol, yeah, no one dressed like that at any point in time in the 1800's. XD I agree, I think it'd just be a natural response, lol. Yeaaah.
Hm, that's strange. I guess Pitch just emanates that flirtatious/seductive quality more? I mean, I don't think so, considering Flynn's flirtatious nature is so obvious in Tangled. But maybe other people think so??? Or rather, people who write Pitch/Elsa, think that there should be some kind of villain/heroine tension thing going on, but people who write Felsa are so focused on avoiding the "instant attraction" trope, that it ends up lacking in that entirely.
Cool! Tell me what you think.
Ohhh, okay, that's good to know. That people with similar problems CAN help each other in some way in real life scenarios. That's kind of what I've been thinking with my pairings recently, I've made sure to think, "this character will help this person, but not become this thing that the other needs or will be nothing without". Post-Frozen, certainly, she could help out others with the same problem. Actually, I was reading some of one of the Frozen spin-off novels where a queen of a warm kingdom is mentioned and the royal sisters decide to go, as they assume it might be someone who has heat powers and might've done what Elsa did only caused eternal summer, lol. So, Elsa thinks she might be able to go over and help her control her powers. So, yes, Elsa counseling someone who's going through what she did is a valid scenario.
OMG, I am so sorry my text is so ridiculously tiny, I didn't check the preview before the message was sent. >.< Ugh, yes, weirdly enough, I feel like I exist in a state of indifference, like I don't really heed my surroundings, I'm sort of on autopilot, especially in school situations or ones like that where I'm surrounded by strangers. Because if I start to take notice, I start to freak out and my social anxiety kicks in as I realize that I'm out of my comfort zone. I was very outgoing up until 6th grade when I was separated from classes with my friends, then suddenly I was the staple "quiet kid with no friends" and I never really got rid of that persona past graduating. I didn't really get that I had issues talking to people until 10th grade, once I did, I was sort of bitter about it and hated going to school. Luckily, I've moved past at least that, but I'm still awkward with people I don't know and get nervous about having to interact with others (even something as simple as ordering food from a fast food restaurant). I'm working on having myself in situations out of my comfort zone, though, so I can get more used to it. I don't want to be one of those recluses that's afraid to leave their houses. D:
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-06-10 22:53:37 +0000 UTC]
Okay! XD
Yeah, I suppose it's just natural, lol.
Oh, well, no, tee-hee, but I assumed that because in most cases, that's what people think to do. Since it's been beaten in our heads by now that love at first is cliché. True, there should be at least some attraction to show that there is chemistry between the two. Yeah, I agree, Eugene being flirtatious toward Elsa and acknowledging her beauty should be a given. Honestly, in any Elsa pairing, I can't help imagining the other noticing how pretty she is upon first meeting.
Yep, exactly. You know, that all sounds like details from a well-written Felsa story. *eyes bore into you miraculously through the screen* Lol, I know you said it's difficult for you to write, but you have such good ideas!
True, lulz. Well, I wouldn't say it's nonexistent, I knew about it before I started talking to you, but still, it's obscure, yeah. I don't know, somehow, I feel like you're writing, since you understand the logic of it all, would come off natural, since you're right in your judgment of the characters.
Ooh, interesting. I'll have to check it out. :3
Hm, true, a lot want to preserve her status as one of the few Disney heroines that doesn't have a love interest. I don't think it's out of character, I can certainly see her being attracted to someone, the only thing I see as OOC is her diving headfirst into a relationship, I imagine her being gradual with her feelings and interaction with that person. Exactly!
Aw, I kinda liked it, lol. Possibly, or if not making fun, at least acknowledging it. I'm pretty sure they're at any bookstore. XD
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-06-11 17:21:52 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, exactly.
Lol, do you? It is true, women are more complicated. But I think what you say fits Elsa well.
I can see Elsa at least doing that, yeah. Lol, yeah, Eugene would probably like to keep a mixture of rogue and charming, so shave a little here, keep a little hair there (like his goatee). Was that an AU where she was comparing him geometrically?
Yeah! Oh, I see, tee-hee. Felsa appears to be a ship that can spawn all kinds of creative ideas! I feel the same with my ships, since most of them are fairly obscure, not much stories are out there, so it's up to me to provide the shipping fare, lol.
Nah, you're really good with all this in my opinion.
Me, too, in canon, I'm fine with her staying single, but I agree, when you're in fandom, placing barriers is so uninteresting to me. I mean, if it's fandom, then you have full license to use your imagination as much as you want. I like to stick to canon, of course, but that's with keeping characters "in character", usually. Things like shipping I'll mess with to my heart's content. XD I agree, it's interesting to see someone portraying Elsa in love, as long as it makes sense. I don't necessarily see it as challenging, though?
Yeah, lol. Well, I wouldn't say she is totally simplified, I think she's a fairly complicated character, but people do blow it out of proportions forgetting that Elsa is from- at the end of the day- a kid's movie. I like to think of Elsa as a mature woman, but not well-versed in romance. OMG, that would be funny, yes, I can imagine them as children, before the incident. Maybe they're having a tour or a mutual history lesson and that happens. XD I can't blame Elsa, though I spent some time looking at images of men from the 1800's and then, thought to myself, why am I ogling at these guys who are long dead???
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-06-11 21:52:31 +0000 UTC]
Nah, that's okay, I don't mind!
I see. Oh, right, well, then again that one's a picture book, but, yeah, lol, it does give a little more insight on the girls' interests and traits. I remember that part, I was like, wow, look at Elsa go. XD Agreed, it makes sense that she would like geometry since she's so gifted at creating her castle.
Oh, I get it! Ugh, yes, me, too, I hate when I love a ship so much, yet there's hardly any material for it. T_T Oh, wow, really? Would you like me to help out? Ah, yes, you should join the Pitch/Elsa group.
No problem!
Ohhh, I see. It makes sense that her lack of romance poses a challenge for writers, but I guess I never came to that conclusion? I've just drawn from her personality and applied it to the situations. And it feels accurate enough to me, lol. I try not to be bias and keep her true to the character, though. Frozen Fever? I felt like Elsa was still Elsa... except when that cold got a hold of her. XD I suppose at the end of the day, it is up to interpretation, but by just keeping her from being OOC, I never found it hard. For me, it depends on the ship whether she's kept in character. For example, with Pelsa, Felsa and Ralsa, I can see her portrayed accurately in those situations, but with Jelsa, of course, I don't see it true to her character.
Oh, I guess, I've actually never thought of it that way. XD Since it's can't be in canon in anyway that she's in a relationship, what's the point in applying her "single status self"?
Okay, I get you. So, then, it's not necessarily that she is Disney-simplified, but that she is Fandom-oversimplified. XD
Well, yeah, I guess I agree, it's not something like a movie you throw to keep the kiddies entertained and that's it. I personally see it as more than a kid's movie, but I was just saying that people are complicating it to the point of as if it was on the same level as adult entertainment. Lol, yeah, I'm guilty of having Elsa speak more elegantly than she does in one of my writings, so I see what you mean.
Yeah!
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noodlekuki In reply to x-Jazzy-B-Real-x [2015-06-12 23:30:00 +0000 UTC]
Oh, okay. XD
Lol, yeah, I agree. Well, maybe, if you want me to. ^^' Oh, I see, well, maybe I could just suggest idea. Maybe hold a contest or post journals with topics that people can discuss on?
Ohhh, I see, well I just see that as comic relief, I guess I never really thought, "um, that is so un-Elsa-like." Plus, at the end of Frozen, she seemed fairly care free, saying "You ready?" and the way she talked to Anna and everything. I don't know, I guess I wasn't scrutinizing her behavior, is what I'm saying.
True. Well, now, they shouldn't fear, lol. If Disney can portray her as sick, but basically acting like a drunk person, than it's safe to go a little all out in fanfiction world. XD Yeah, since she wasn't on screen as much, the extent of her personality was limited. And as you say, we mostly saw her anxiety and reclusiveness.
Alright, point taken.
Yup. I agree, yeah, the whole setup is improbable.
Lol, uh-huh. XD
I see. Yeah, I've been... writing a story that involves Belle and Frollo omgpleasedon'tkillme and I feel like her dialogue is coming off as more proper sounding than she talks in the movie. I mean, of course, she knew some big words, but didn't talk elegantly all the time. Interesting. :3 Agreed, if they're gonna totally limit themselves, they have to be extra conscious.
M-hm. Yup, anyone who insists that Elsa talks like that, or ought to are pushing it a bit. I guess, for me, I also try to make sure I can imagine the actors saying the lines, or just in general, make sure it sounds right, for the most part, that it doesn't sound cheesy or anything. XD
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PerrythePlatypusGirl In reply to noodlekuki [2015-01-03 22:41:42 +0000 UTC]
I...I don't know how to do that either. XD Oh well. Maybe I will learn if I feel like it.
YOU CHANGED YOUR WEBCAM TO HANS/RAPUNZEL I CANT BELIEVE THIS. XDDDD Looks like you're in pretty deep with this ship. What's the ship name?
Wtf. That gif has scarred me for life what in the worl.
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noodlekuki In reply to PerrythePlatypusGirl [2015-01-04 00:09:48 +0000 UTC]
Oh. Lol, well, that's okay, it's not that much of a skill, anyway. XD Yeah.
I KNOOOW, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'D NOTICE. XD Yeah, yeah, I think I am. I honestly don't know for sure, some people call it Hansel, others call it Hansunzel, I'm thinking of calling it Hapunzel. XD But, yeah, would you like me to send what I've written? I might try to write a full-fledged story, you know, if you think what I've got so far is good enough.
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I just wanted to use it so badly and there's honestly no appropriate time to use that gif.
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noodlekuki In reply to PerrythePlatypusGirl [2015-01-10 02:44:44 +0000 UTC]
XD
Yeah, I guess, but I feel like it'd be sort of hard to look it up and find the results you're looking for. I'm sure Hansel from the fairytale would come up and then I'd sob in frustration. OMG, I don't even know, I still ship it, but it's not catching on like I want it to. That's due to the lack of a proper character arc for Honey Lemon, I'm guessing.
I won't. I will not do that again.
So, uh... Seriously, though, do you want to read what I've written for my Hans and Punzie idea? I'd really appreciate feedback. Oh, and also, I've come to think of some reasons to ship them and it makes my heart so ridiculously happy that I want to cry. Would you like to hear them?
Okay, really, you can probably sense my desperation through the computer screen, can't you?
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PerrythePlatypusGirl In reply to noodlekuki [2015-01-11 23:03:19 +0000 UTC]
Good point, I guess Hansunzel would better. Though to be fair Icebreaker has the same problem. It's kinda annoying to search it up and end up with pictures of candy.
Ugh, I'm sorry, I forgot to answer the question. OTL. Yes, I would like to read them. Are you going to post them here or FF?
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noodlekuki In reply to PerrythePlatypusGirl [2015-01-12 02:57:49 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I guess so, lol. Oh, I can imagine, yes, irrelevant search results are the worst
Nah, it's okay. Wait, what does OTL mean??? YAY!!! I mean, uh, okay, I'll send them to your notes, if you don't mind. Also, my shipping reasons because I seriously need to tell someone.
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