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Salam Alicom,,نحمده ونستعينه ونستغفره
We praise Allah and seek His help and forgiveness.
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I love the clear strokes you used. It's a very powerful image.
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ماشاء الله .. بارك الله لك في هالموهبه النادره !
مبدع !
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تصميم رائعه
ونحمده ونستعين به
اعجبني حوارك مع الاخ odiumediae
وربنا يهديه على طريق الحق
ويعرف حقيقة وجوده
وفقك الله أخي
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بارك الله فيك
وربنا يهديه للحق وأتمنى أن يكون يبحث عن وجود الإله فعلاً وليس يطعن في الإله بلا بحث جدي.
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In my eyes, religion and art are two topics that don't quite need each other and I am an atheist anyway, but the picture itself looks nice I guess.
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Thank you
But can i ask you..
why you are atheist?
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Because I cannot believe there is a higher, physically non-graspable being of any sort. I don't believe in heaven, hell and afterlife, I just can't, it sounds ridiculous to me (no offense at all). But I respect all people's beliefs as long as they don't intentionally annoy me with their beliefs or obtrusively try to persuade me of their beliefs.
But as I staed, this has nothing to do with your artwork, I like it, even if I don't agree with it's religious or spiritual message.
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Ok, but who the creator of this world?
who is the creator of the DNA and who make its high fidelity?
If ONE particle of it arranged in wrong way there is tow things happens:
1- no creature at all.
2- Birth defects, cancers, or paralysis.
The is BILLIONS of DNA in one creature body...how many DNA in 6 billion human in earth?
who made a unique finger print to every one?
who create sky, plants, stars, sun and moon?
All of these thing are moving without any mess...sun comes after moon...morning comes after night.
PLEASE think deeper abut this universe and i will be very glad to think with you
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To my mind, you're asking the wrong questions. I think, there's a logical flaw within every theist's belief system by assuming that everything must have or have had an ultimate creator, but what about the creator itself? Who created him? Did the ultimate creator create itself? That's a circulus vitiosus if I ever heard of one. I think there are questions that cannot be answered by man and this is bugging me out to, but personally, I refuse to invent a creator for all the things we don't know where they originated from, because, for me, that does not seem to be a proper answer to the questions you asked me. I am just there, I live and when I am dead, I am dead and nothing of me will remain on earth beside my former possessions and what I've accomplished in lifetime. That's my view on things. I don't expect anyone else to think the same or perhaps even to understand my view, but I expect other to respect it as much as I do respect their views and beliefs. It's nice have debated this topic with a muslim and it's even more interesting that you've thereby helped me to put my views in to words.
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OK, you are thinking by logic and i hope you are searching about your answers.
But if we born to play in number of years and dead this is like Chaos! but nothing in universe in Chaos For ex.the DNA creation..if its just made for nothing this is something we should think....why this impressive Fidelity for nothing?
So for sure there is a reason for life and death and good and bad.
You asking VERY interesting question...There is god?
so who create the god!
Ok, for example if a Carpenter made a door...who is the creator of the door...the Carpenter but when we see the nature of the door...not like the Carpenter!!
the Carpenter can eat, drink, breath, talk and walk.
The door can't do all of these thing.
so you can't compare the creator with the creations.
The god has no similar thing to him and his nature is out of our human thinking and imagination
Every one knows the fact that the speed of sound is 343 meters per second but did any one see the "sound"?No, but when we hear it we said yes there is a sound.
when we ask is their is a creator to every thing? we see the billions of creation so it must be a creator for these huge numbers of creations and this creator is not like them he is like no thing similar to any imagination in our weak minds.
Did you get my idea?
PLEASE i will be glad to search with you about the facts that you are interested with it
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Of course I am thinking by logi, there is no other way to think. And yes, I am convinced there is a reason for life and death, but I think itlies within the fact that nature itself isn't perfect. Our bodies simply wither and vanish in order to clear the way for our descendants. I cannot believe the reason for life and death is that there is a god, it just is no reasonable explanation. I am convinced that mankind produces its gods in its image, not the other way around. And about good and bad, these terms are purely subjective. Steal something and you will be seen as a bad man, because most other people don't care for the reason you stole in the first place. Steal bread for somebody who would starve to death if you didn't do it and he will think you did something generous, something good. There is no such thing as solely 'true' or solely 'false' explanation about what is 'good' or what is 'bad.' In fact, even the terms 'true' and 'false' are of completely subjective origin.
Your example with the carpenter is not representative in my eyes, because I didn't compare a creator with its creation, I just asked who would be the creator of the creator. Nobody can be his own creator, it's simply not possible, because to create yourself you actually need to be existent already. That's the circulus vitiosus. It's a logical fallacy. That's why you just defined your god in a way that it fits into your need for explanation, but since there is no evidence that there is a god at all, I cannot except your explanation.
So to answer your last question, I'm sorry, but I didn't get your idea, because it's not logical to me. Most of it didn't actually relate to the actual topic. Particularly your assumption that there must be a creator, which is not like its creations lacks a proper explanation. I can, however, understand your point that says, where there is a creation there must be a creator. This may for instance be true for the door, because it's obviously manmade, but not necessarily for chemical compounds such as water or air.
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Ok, but if the god is created by someone...how is the creator of god creator?...who is the creator of the creator of god creator?....and so on!!
So, the God is the most first and the last and the god nature is not like any thing in our earth
by Logic...WHO? make the 9 planets...you know...mars is bigger than our earth 1300 times!
the sun is bigger than the earth 3 billion times!!
WHO made these thing?
In Quran( Islam believe that Quran is the words of god)there is s verses about The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah(god)
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
but i think all of these questions need to be studied carefully...i can get you some sources about these thing in German...are you German?
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Nour you did you have to do as much as possible, after this long debate and some dialogue evidence and also no conviction as well. we don't have in the end only to say may Allah guide them, He is capable of everything and if he wants to guide them they will know well that He already existence and will thank him for know the right .
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?
/ Ah indeed! Are they in doubt concerning the Meeting with their Lord? Ah indeed! It is He that doth encompass all things! 53/54 Fussilat (Signs) Qur'an
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Allah bless you, you are 100% wright.My job is to guide him to Islam and let him know Anything about it and he is Charged in front of Allah to guide any way after knowing the wright one.
Some people ask "where is my god?" to search about and others ask "where is my god? he is not existed at all!" and Negligent signs around them!
They want to eat,drink, kill, steal with out any Restrictions at all.
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Allah bless you too brother .. I ask Allah to help us all or make us reason to guide such these minds .. but those doesn't know that they charge in front of Allah to know the truth because they mainly doesn't believe him,
believe me it is not the responsibility as much as differences between the minds , there are minds wants to know and search what is the root of this life? and there are minds don't want to search for anything and live without spirituality identity!
and who was talking with you that he doesn't believe in the existence of God, may be these discussions and questions which he waiting for get convince answers for his mind make him one day insist on knowing the truth by hard work in search
We ask Allah to them to know the path of truth and salvation. Ameen
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Hello,
I liked very much your work, vet-elianoor, and I enjoyed reading the debate you have had with odiumediae. I am a muslim myself, and as fun it was to read your posts, the both of you, I don't think you are required to even try to prove the existence of God, not to a Muslim nor to an atheist, I believe that what you are required to do is to tell the people who do not know about islam what it is about, its teachings, its beliefs, etc. I think your job was accomplished when odiumediae said he knows what the Quran says about Allah.
I have a question for odiumediae but I'm afraid he left the discussion. Well, if you're still reading this, here goes: Do you think that science have the right to claim that it is the only origin of the truth?
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Thanks a lot
The BIG problem when you talk with atheist is he is not believe with god from the beginning! so when you talk about god " in Islam" he will not look to Islam or god in Islam because he think that their is no god at all!
but when you talk with a christian you will not talk about is god exist or not!
I hope odiumediae is searching about truth seriously.
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Yes, that's my point, if you presuppose that there's a creator, he must have a creator as well and so forth. That's one reason for me not to believe in any god, whether it's called Allah, Jehovah, Zeus or Ganesha. That's simply because it does not answer anything, rather raise even more questions that can only be answered by inventing answers instead of actually knowing anything.
The size of our solar system has nothing to do with the personal need for an aswer to the question who created it.
Furthermore I don't believe in something just because it is written in a book without any evidence. I know how Allah is defined in the Quran (I've read a lot about the theistic systems of the Islam, Christianity, Jadaism and Hinduism), but just because somebody has defined their god in a book it does not make the god exist.
Yes, I'm German and thanks for the offer! I am interested in the sources you mentioned and I can read and understand German, English and French, if that helps you.
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OK ... please Contact me here :vet_elianoor@hotmail.com with your e-mail
and check these links:
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And I think you are a scholar person to know three languages
PLEASE study them careful and me and you will search about the truth...okay?
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