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NoVaNoah In reply to AilovU [2011-12-13 03:20:49 +0000 UTC]

Thanks
Well, actually this pic is one with the beast anatomy. Maybe yoy don't learned still something I call "Motion capture" (because I don't know the real name XDDD). It's basically, I didn't captured the moment Priss knelt, nor the moment she's up, just in the middle. On the other hand, it's pretty unrealistic to ALWAYS put a character kneel or stand up, you see she's in a uncomfortable position because you're not used to see a position like that, but I can assure you it looks like that, mostly in girls with big tights like Priss (I posed for this pic, I also have BIG tights, so I know how it must look). But God, I'm not that pro to don't use skeletons XDDD Of course I use skeletons, so I'm sure her anatomy is ok.
About BG, I must totally disagree with you, because I worked a lot on BG. Since I intended to 3 layers of perspective (Where Mira and Priss are, the girl in the middle of the drawing and the buildings at bottom of the perspective), I tried to create a blurry effect, not to mention I wanted to it looks more "soft", to don't distract from the main focus, Mira and Priss. That's the "don't line up" effect you see, I don't use vectors for BGs, I like how it looks in free hand style, gives the effect of "old building" FMA has.
In fact I don't want to my BGS looks Exactly like FMAB BGs, personally I don't like too much FMAB style for BGs and things like, so I try to make my own style.

Thanks for the critique 030/

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AilovU In reply to NoVaNoah [2011-12-13 07:24:15 +0000 UTC]

I'm going to break this down into parts because the response was so long.
1] Trust me I have some pretty big thighs too but her spine isn't aligned right and she would be knocked off balance easily. Her thighs should be vertical to her spine and to crouch in that position for any reason other than exercise is unrealistic.
2] As much as you disagree with my critique because you worked hard, that's great and all and I'm not criticizing the blur effect. Free style is great and all but there is a reason why drawing classes teach you about dimensions. Because the awning is crooked, it gives an awkward appearance. You liking freehand is fine. Don't use vectors, whatever. Your lines can be ac wavy or as straight as you like but they still need to line up nice. There is a vanishing point that you are ignoring here. I love the idea of the blur effect and I get what you want to accomplish but neglecting things just because you want THAT to be the main focus isn't fair to your fans who will spend time looking at it in detail. They will notice.
Also, if you want the type of building look Arakawa has, I have to say that she still uses laws of dimensions and pays attention to vanishing points.
3] I love that you're shooting for your own style, but remember I'm not critiquing that! Also remember that I'm trying to help; you asked for this critique.

I would also suggest that next time you get a critique, you sit back and try to find the spots they're talking about and try to see it from an outside POV, as it gets difficult when you're proud of a piece of work, instead of feeling the need to respond and defend why you did what you did. I don't need to know why (I'm sorry) and instead of defending yourself to me, someone who saw someone ask for help improving and decided to give a few pointers, you could be seeing how you could improve upon these things.
I'm sorry if I come off harsh but you should feel no need to defend yourself. Give yourself a week and then look back at your drawing with the critiques you received in mind and you'll probably get a better idea of whatever people said.
Good luck developing your unique style and in your improvement ventures!

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NoVaNoah In reply to AilovU [2011-12-13 16:15:48 +0000 UTC]

1. I don't think you have REALLY big thighs , if you have, you would know how girls with big thighs and big butt and big boobs (not fat girls) have to kneel, balance is not the same that in a girl with a generic body, we have to kneel in a position like that to avoid our butt counterweight. If I try to kneel in the position you mentioned, I fall, simple like that.

2. One thing is the crooked, and other thing the entire BG. I interpreted you were talking about ALL the BG, that's why I had to disagree. BTW, I don't use lines for BG, just for people and elements that are close to main focus characters. In the other hand, you're talking with the wrong person, I don't have fans XDD I know I will have fans the day they watch me because of my OCs, not my fan art of the canons .
About Arakawa, well, as you will notice soon, my BG on manga are pretty better than these BGs, it's mainly because I HAVE to use lines and things like that ovo;;

3.Believe me, when I get a critique, I read carefully with the pic criticized in the other label, to check what people are talking about. And well, actually I don't have that "pride" for ALL my works, I'm in a instance where I'm still practicing and applying techniques and styles, I still don't have a specific style, so I don't have that pride for this or that work, so I'm pretty objective when I read a criticize (to you know, I ask , , or their opinion when I'm doing a sketch, the line art or coloring, and I don't get upset if they say this or that sucks).
SO I don't need o defend myself or my works, since I'm still in "practice mode" XDD. I just have to say "I don't agree" when I really don't see what a person is pointing out, even the girls I mentioned above have wrong POV sometimes, and I don't doubt about telling them.
And of course I don't need to defend myself, because I asked for critiques.

Again, thanks for the critique and sorry for the misunderstanding 030/

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AilovU In reply to NoVaNoah [2011-12-13 21:03:09 +0000 UTC]

Listen, obviously you're going to keep defending yourself. Her positioning is wrong and awkward and she's off center.
But despite this, you're going to keep defending yourself and responding to possibly help me 'see the light'. If you can't see it then you can't improve upon it but one day in an anatomy course you'll look back.
Seriously though, you just typed an entire paragraph in response to my response to my critique, and you say you're not defensive?
There is no reason for you to respond otherwise.
And honestly it's getting a little hard to take this seriously so I'm just done with this, unfortunately. =\
You aren't taking my critique into account and all you're doing is trying to explain how I'm wrong or why you did it when honestly I don't care about excuses or whys. I saw something that could be improved upon and you shoved it away and let me know. If you want to ignore advice, that's your call. But letting the criticizer know is honestly kind of rude and a tad offensive since I feel I've had to waste time when I've only tried to be helpful
I suggest not putting up critiques until you're ready to take them, since they are there to be read and not responded to [be they serious critiques].
Good day.

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NoVaNoah In reply to AilovU [2011-12-13 21:42:13 +0000 UTC]

Well, just listen, the only reason I replyed your critique, and no others that just say "Oh, beautiful, perfect gorgeous" etc, is because I took in account your critique (in fact, the things I mentioned are not critiques, just opinions, you know that's not I asked for, so I don't know why people write things like that in the space for a critique).
In the other hand, I'm not defensive, I just have my own opinion about something I DON'T SEE. I agreed bout the crooked, but not about Priss anatomy because I don't see it. You nor me took anatomy course obviously, but I'm pretty sure that it how her body in that position must look.
I don't have to give explanations to anybody, be sure of that, my paragraphs are just that long because I hardly can explain something in english, so I have to use a lot of simple words I know to explain something that maybe is simple, but I don't know how to explain in just 1 sentence.
And I repeat, I receive critiques from the best FMA artist of DA every days, so I know how to take a critique when the critique is accurate. Not just because I'm being criticized by a great artist I will say "Yes sir" because yes.

Finally, as I'm aware I still have to improve a lot, I don't give critiques, I prefer to use that time in improving myself, so I'm not the kind of people that is just "Rawr, no, you're wrong, my art is perfect and you are just jelly". I just take critiques and analyze them objectively. If I agree, I will let you know, if not, I let you know too, and I give my reasons, not just "NO, you're bad, it's perfect", but you consider it as excuses, when I simply could have ignored you if I don't like your critique. I'm who felt a wasting of time to reply you if you don't agree to have an objective convo trying hardly to you understand my english. If you don't know how to debate without getting upset when the artist doesn't give you reason, I recommend you to don't give more critiques, the "I'm talented and vary vary famous" artists of DA are not that patient as me (or don't like to give explanations or "excuses" as you say), some of them are TOTALLY blind bitches that believe that if they have more watchers than you they are God and they will send their friends to bash you or something like that. Just be careful.

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AilovU In reply to NoVaNoah [2011-12-13 22:54:52 +0000 UTC]

Please don't condescend to me about giving critiques. I can handle myself.
It's not a matter of caring about a critique enough to respond. There's always been certain unsaid rules about critiques. If they're giving seriously then you just don't respond, no matter the content. You take it into account an leave it.
Just. Leave. It.
Seriously. It makes it so much easier for you in the long run because the criticizer does NOT CARE in most cases whether it was taken into account or dismissed and some don't want to know because it's insulting. I have taken an anatomy course and even I can point out the anatomical flaws (and there are many) in my drawings. So to say that I obviously haven't is rude. Just because my abilities don't reflect my knowledge is no basis for judgement.
It's a matter of manners and while it's nice that you think it polite to respond to a critique, if you find yourself only explaining why you did what and saying that you don't agree, I suggest you stop. You're wasting your time and all it's going to do is piss people off.
"Why did they bother asking for a critique if they were just going to dismiss what I said? I don't care about their reasoning. This is ridiculous. I feel insulted"
is kind of what went through my head at the first response. It may make you feel better but then you'll just end up in some BS civil argument like you are now and neither I nor you need the stress.
Seriously though. Take what I say, as a critiquer, into account or leave it. It's your choice, but please don't advertise it unless you're prepared to do a short "I see what you're talking about. Thank you!" and I doubt it because critiques are never that simple.

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NoVaNoah In reply to mayoku-artz [2012-01-31 04:36:16 +0000 UTC]

Gracias o3o
Sí, eso lo noté luego de acabarla Bueno, ya habrpa tiempo de arreglar eso luego u3u/

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NoVaNoah In reply to DeadCobra [2012-01-31 04:35:49 +0000 UTC]

Thanks 8D

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NoVaNoah In reply to killerphoenix92 [2012-01-31 04:35:44 +0000 UTC]

Thanks 8D

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NoVaNoah In reply to pandafun101 [2012-01-31 04:35:36 +0000 UTC]

Nah, it's just the clothes XDD

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NoVaNoah In reply to Pumukly [2012-01-31 04:35:27 +0000 UTC]

Ed face is the face of a boy whose mother is looking clothes at a shop and the boy want to go home NAU XDDDDD

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NoVaNoah In reply to kimoyuki [2012-01-31 04:28:57 +0000 UTC]

Yay, thanks
Sure, more soon o3ob

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kimoyuki In reply to NoVaNoah [2012-02-01 01:00:02 +0000 UTC]

sounds good to me

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NoVaNoah In reply to Frog-Girl25 [2012-01-31 04:28:43 +0000 UTC]

Thanks >3👍: 0 ⏩: 0

NoVaNoah In reply to katkitoshi [2012-01-31 04:27:24 +0000 UTC]

XDD To think that she will be that tall later XDD
Ed: Smurf, Y U SO tall
Mira: I drink 3 glases of milk every days o3o
Ed: !!!!!!!!!

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NoVaNoah In reply to Silver-Song-Shifter [2012-01-31 04:26:03 +0000 UTC]

<3 Thanks

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NoVaNoah In reply to DragonKnightMirren [2012-01-31 04:25:56 +0000 UTC]

Men are like that, know it, and more when they are in a relationship, they take the woman as their new mom XDDDD
Well, after TLT, Priscilla owns a Art School o3o Mira will start to attend here, she will learn some things, but I'm not sure what specifically XDD She has many things to learn in fact

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DragonKnightMirren In reply to NoVaNoah [2012-01-31 14:17:16 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, not in all cases, but, for some reason, I find childish men adorable and apealing.
Oh, nice .

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NoVaNoah In reply to PotatoPou [2012-01-31 04:23:57 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

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NoVaNoah In reply to OrchidAlex [2012-01-31 04:23:52 +0000 UTC]

Know it, Ed will be jealousy of EVERY MAN that is older than 15 and younger than 60 XDDD

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OrchidAlex In reply to NoVaNoah [2012-01-31 04:26:25 +0000 UTC]

Pfft Oh man haha XD

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to OrchidAlex [2011-12-10 07:44:29 +0000 UTC]

She always says she will when Ed's being a jerk. XD
And like... the MILKman. That would hurt. XD

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OrchidAlex In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2011-12-10 07:50:45 +0000 UTC]

haha imagine she comes home to edo with a big glass of milk
Edo: I knew it!! You were with the milkman! Oh why?!

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Bitter-Cherry In reply to OrchidAlex [2011-12-10 08:01:40 +0000 UTC]

XDDDDD Wait until he finds out the milkman's gay.

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OrchidAlex In reply to Bitter-Cherry [2011-12-10 08:06:59 +0000 UTC]

*gasp* Nooo!! Oh how I would LOVE to see Ed's reaction

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