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Description VIDEO TUTORIALS:
Coloring Tutorial www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFk3p7…
Lineart Tutorials youtu.be/Pj9XaD0TGVE www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3S09C…
Chibi Speedpaints www.youtube.com/watch?v=e79odi… www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjc60…
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*edit*
lets clear it up: my message through this tutorial is NOT "dont use Photoshop" but rather "start with SAI because Photoshop is indeed a very complex program, not meant for most beginners".
I don't hate Photoshop, instead, I do recognize it's a very good program that can be used to complete SAI's functions OR be used for the whole process without any other software.
If you start by working with SAI, learning is much more easy and fluid, and after a year and half using it and completing with Photoshop, I guess SAI could disapear from the face of earth, I would intuitivelly know how to work the basics of a full drawing with Photoshop already.
It then becomes a choice to keep using SAI or not, and I chose to stay with SAI for now.
I'm offering the easiest and most functional choice i know for beginers, so they can work with all the functions the pros have without having to costumize a whole program they are not even familiar with.
Feel free to suggest any other program as well, if you know something that works as easy and effective as SAI.

Man, this file needs to be redone!
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Comments: 285

nexusrightsi [2015-01-02 21:40:40 +0000 UTC]

I used to be a noob like this, oh no wait.... I still am T_T

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Ehsol-namu In reply to nexusrightsi [2017-01-01 08:22:30 +0000 UTC]

Me too...so sad...

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HeadphoneNinja25 [2014-12-31 19:35:39 +0000 UTC]

I really like this, it's full of nice little tips and stuff. Maybe I could use it to convince a friend of mine to take the digital art leap of faith?
Also, about the whole software shenanigans. . . I honestly don't understand why so few people use Clip Studio Paint (or Manga Studio, it's all the same). It's like. . . Sai and Photoshop had a baby. Although, I totally agree that Sai is good for starters and MS paint can just jump off a cliff.

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TaleOfACat [2014-10-24 18:59:17 +0000 UTC]

As a beginner, I would never go for Photoshop, except if I knew for sure that I will use it for years and really need its huge amount of features. It's just so expensive if you get a legal copy. Even buying the second latest version (the new ones have a monthly fee , you cannot even buy them anymore where I live it seems) would cost me like 580 Euro (roughly the same in dollars I guess). For used software from private hands! Students may get it cheaper, but still would pay around 10 Euro/month for the current version.

I personally would vote for GIMP as replacement for starters. It has good tablet support (at least my Wacom worked right out of the box*), the basic brushes (they can be configured, and more can easily be installed), a smudge tool, which is not really bad if you know how to use it, and the whole thing is very fast, too. A simple stabilizer is in there as well. It has all necessary layer types and is quite quick and efficient even on slower PCs. The interface (that used to be really messy in earlier versions) is pretty good now. The documentation is okay I guess, there should be plenty of english tutorials at least...but most of the stuff I just tried out myself. I'd say it is like a small Photoshop, but it is legal to use it for FREE. I used it for editing photos before I started painting. It's quite popular and widespread already.

*I needed to start GIMP by clicking with the tablet pen, tough! Otherwise the tablet will show strange behaviour for me, like no pressure sensivity.

The other program I would recommend now and for the future definetly is KRITA (also FREE to use, they just sell their support to companies that use Krita professionally). It used to be only for Linux, but the programmers recently made a great effort to develop it and also released a Windows version which already works very well. Krita is focused much more on painting than GIMP is, and has much more features and configuration options in this respect. It comes with quite some preconfigured brushes though, which already cover all the most basic needs. Like GIMP it has no limits on layers (I cannot believe SAI has a limit of 8, that seems so unnecessary; I personally have like 50 layers at the end of my working process many times). There is a configureable line stabilizer and mixing brushes which I guess could be somewhat equivalent to using the watercolor tool or smudge brushes. Alas, some of those mix brushes are currently bugged in my current Windows version (they do not let me paint in one direction while they work fine in all others..quite strange). Aside of this bug, the major downsides currently are the rather bad documentation (caused mainly by the massive speed of development and addition of new features in recent time) and the need for a good/rather new PC. I had a CPU with 2 cores and 3 GHz and 4 GB of RAM. That was just enough to work with big pictures (like 2000x2000 pixels) and as many layers as I do. You could probably do with less if you use smaller image size and less layers, however stabilizer tools and certain brushes will still hurt performance. Krita has "after effects" too, but as of now, they are complicated to use and on many effects I tried I did not even see what they do (maybe I did not wait long enough?) and the text describing them does not really tell you much. Therefore I'd switch back to GIMP if I ever needed them (I use to do much more stuff with brushes and layers now).

When it comes to SAI, well I guess the upsides are that it is quite widespread here on deviantart (many tutorials), not that expensive and works well out-of-the-box. And of course the watercolor tool..well unfortunatelly I have never tested SAI so I cannot comment on how good it is compared to the alternatives I mentioned.

I should mention that Programs like GIMP, Photoshop and Krita are similiar in many aspects, so even if you decide to switch to Photoshop later, the experience gained wth those Freeware programs will help you a lot I think. Also one thing to note: I did need to adjust pressure sensivity in GIMP and Krita for my Wacom Bamboo. You do this by editing a "pressure curve". It may take some time to get the best setting in the start, but on the long run it's really worth it (for exaple you can draw with more levels of opacity or use less pressure to paint at maximum effect).

Final Note: My Wacom tablet came with the free version of ArtRage (probably the same that everyone can download for free). This simple program seems to be good if you want to simulate traditional media in digital painting. I did not really try anything serious with it yet, but it was fun to play around with it. MyPaint could also be worth a look, it seems to have good brushes, but since I knew Krita I never switched back to learn it.

Links: GIMP Krita ArtRage (Starter Version 2.6 - get it from 3rd party site, does not seem to be featured on the main homepage anymore); MyPaint

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TaleOfACat In reply to TaleOfACat [2014-10-25 19:20:12 +0000 UTC]

Sorry, I just realized that I misread the thing with 8 layers on SAI. Those are 8 types not a limit of 8 layers per picture. So please ignore the SAI-critique in the Krita section. I can't edit it anymore unfortunatelly.

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IMonikaI [2014-10-23 07:45:54 +0000 UTC]

Yayay thank you so much ! ^w^
But you know, I got an Intuos and even if ppl say that it's kind of '' difficult '' to draw with it, I find it easy o.o
- got to practice more tho. - 

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Naftalina25 [2014-10-21 20:03:20 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much for the tips!
I want to use SAI so much, but I'm so used to Photoshop that I just can't
The Water Brush effect is simple amazing and I love that, but I find it's mechanics so confusing
Also, is there a easy and simple way to increase and decrease the size of the brush in SAI just like Photoshop's (alt+right click drag)? Something that makes me drop learning how to use SAI is that most of it's shortcuts are different from Photoshop's (pressing "Esc" and making the canvas rotate pisses me off).

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Cardinal4 [2014-10-19 01:42:00 +0000 UTC]

Hi Nuei, can I ask you a question? Do you think SAI's brush engine is much better than Photoshop's? Like, it seems like SAI can blend colors on the brush better, feels more real.

I don't think Photoshop has that feature and I felt like it could be limiting me somewhat.

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Nuei In reply to Cardinal4 [2014-10-19 13:51:52 +0000 UTC]

I do think photoshop has the same ability to blend colors as SAI, but it takes a lot of costumization to reach it, while in SAI it's a lot easier and more natural. Photoshop is a LOT more costumizable and produces brushes like stars and petals, or even lightning bolts and sci-fi grids in a click. With the right brush, Photoshop can also achieve watercolor-ish/ cloud brushes (like SAI) but all in all, I prefer shading with SAI and doing after effects (sparkles and other stuff flying around) with Photoshop. And SAI has a smoother response to the tablet imo

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Cardinal4 In reply to Nuei [2014-10-21 14:07:54 +0000 UTC]

Icic. Thanks for taking the time to reply, I think I'll try not to use Photoshop for a while then.

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Swave17 [2014-10-18 22:42:37 +0000 UTC]

I do not know how to react to this,but I'm a mouse user and my art is pretty good. Also,I don't use those 2 at all for ART programs. I use GIMP. So,I guess I can try to word what I'm thinking better.
I'm pretty glad for this but I find some parts wrong... Mostly the ART thing and the Mouse thing.

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Nuei In reply to Swave17 [2014-10-19 13:41:03 +0000 UTC]

I only said it was not advisable for smoother kinds of art. I know a lot of good mouse users, but it takes a lot to handle it and cell shade/ intense use of photoshop brushes/ pixel art/ vector art is a good way to go around the mouse's lack of pressure sensitivity. 
I didn't say good art couldn't be produced with a mouse, I just said it was not an advisable mean to produce art, also because it can damage your muscles a lot easier.

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Sayu-Neko [2014-09-25 20:27:56 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much for the tutorial, it's really really helpful ! I want to start digital art, and...  for 1 week I tried to search for a good program and I was sooooo confused, I didn't know what to choose between Photoshop and SAI ;_; this tutorials explains clearly how to start with good bases, thank youuu ^3^

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MegaAnimeFreak7 [2014-09-14 07:06:08 +0000 UTC]

I WANT YOU IN MY LIFE

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Nuei In reply to MegaAnimeFreak7 [2014-09-15 14:08:39 +0000 UTC]

COME AT ME BABY!! xD

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TH3INTROV3RT [2014-07-14 04:30:41 +0000 UTC]

I agree with all of this, except the cheap tablet thing. At least not ALL cheap tablets. I bought the VisTablet Penpad (www.amazon.com/PenPad-7-7-Inch… for 37 dollars on Amazon. I wouldn't trade it for the world actually. It works well, without all the confusing bells and whistles. And it has kinda grown a sentimental attachment on me ^w^

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jaylakit [2014-07-08 02:12:08 +0000 UTC]

Yesssss!!!!! Thanks! See, I'm good at drawing Manga on paper, but I wanted to get into doing it digitally, but I seriously had no clue where to start. This helped alot! Thanks!

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Kayaulia [2013-09-28 19:55:36 +0000 UTC]

Hi! This tutorial is very helpful. Thank you so much for making it!

I just have a couple questions, if that's okay.

1. I have a bamboo create tablet. I didn't pick it; it was/is my sister's. I consider myself an okay-ish artist on paper, but I feel like there are a lot of things you can do with digital art that you can't do with traditional art (not to say that there's anything wrong with traditional art) However, I've been having trouble using the tablet. I feel like I can't draw at all without everything becoming a scribbly, wobbly MESS. Do you have any idea what might be going on?

2. I really wanted to draw a comic, but I'm so used to reading manga that it seems odd to go left to right. Do you think people would get confused if I made the comic in English (my native language) but had it going right to left? I have no idea if you would know the answer to this or not, so if you don't, then sorry about that.

3. Do you have any overall tips for things to avoid or things to definitely do/try for a starting digital artist?

Anything you can tell me would be imensely helpful. Thank you sooooooo much! :3---<3

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Nuei In reply to Kayaulia [2013-09-30 09:08:19 +0000 UTC]

Hey hey! This tutorial is getting old, but I'm very happy to know it helped you *_*

1. I have a very shaky hand (parkinson is common in my family), but with the right settings, even I can draw a straight, firm line, so you should be able to do it too. If you're not achieving it, there's 99.9% chance it's the computer's fault and NOT yours. This may be happening: a) you may not have the drivers installed/ correctly installed. Go to wacom.com search for the most recent drivers for your tablet and that should fix it; b) the program you are using isn't costumized at it's best to receive information from the tabet. When using Paint Tool SAI, I have this puu.sh/4mtUW.png when I click "others"->"options". At photoshop it works differently, you have to go to the brush settings and select "pen pressure" everywhere you can (I don't really use this, so it's all I know about photoshop!)

Also, as for the traditional art topic, I don't think it's correct to say that digital art can go much further than traditional. They do different things that's for sure, but when you get a digital program it comes with all the tools already, when traditional artists simply can't buy the full kit of Copics, Watercolors, Dry pastels, materials for making patterns, etc. Surely you can't achieve extreme color changes at the end of the drawing that easily with traditional, but digital art with watercolor effect (for example) is very hard to achieve without scanning actual watercolors (or using stock scans). I think using both together is the most unlimited way to make drawn art IMO


2. Actually, I see nothing wrong with writing it that way, unless you publish it in a country that reads letf to right. Publishers don't like it very much :S
But I'm also so used to reading manga I frequently mess up the reading direction when reading comics xD

3. ooooh, tips! 8D
Ok, the first thing you need to do is decompose art. Art is divided into a lot of different topics, and you'll need to read a lot of tutorials about each seperatly. Also, try to keep your studies oriented to ALL types of styles, but focus on using only one style for hair, skin, clothes eyes per drawing. I see many people drawing VERY shinny eyes, and then a very pastel colored, smoothly shaded skin. It's like elements dont fit together on the same drawing

So, here we go:

*Anatomy: you should learn first the basic body proportions. I'm not saying "go into realism for 2 years and then go back to comics or manga!", I'm just saying "try to draw a bit of both". Also, comics and manga aren't as deformed as tought. In manga, the major diference is the head size (that MUST NOT be bigger then the shoulder width, unless when drawing chibi characters), and comics like to deform hips and shoulders the most (I think). Knowing the true proportions will teach you what are your limits when deforming  starca.deviantart.com/art/Basi…
And try to get the most dynamic you can in this topic, altough it's better to first know the proportions correctly fyuvix.deviantart.com/art/Note…

*Lineart: The lines you draw (or you don't if you go for lineless art) are very important. Most people start by doing it one only long line, with the thickness very very even all over... This just doesn't get right! This is a work from Saiki (an artist I admire a lot, but whose lineart is not ok) saiki2.deviantart.com/art/Scre… and this is a picture from Redjuice999 (same style) where you can see the lineart thickening and getting texture (which is not mandatory, but some styles get awesome with texture) redjuice999.deviantart.com/art…
I made this little video tutorial, I hope it can help you understand this concept better www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9XaD…

*Coloring: Beautiful colors are like 60% of the beauty of the artworks! I'm still very noob at this but here! nuei.deviantart.com/art/How-I-…

*Shading: Don't use blurr unless in specific situations! kiramekirai.deviantart.com/art… and starca.deviantart.com/art/Real…

*Composition: SUPER IMPORTANT!! nuei.deviantart.com/art/How-to…

I hope this is helpful *_*


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Kayaulia In reply to Nuei [2013-09-30 21:34:08 +0000 UTC]

You're amazing omg thank you SOOOOOO much!!!! very very VERY helpful.


<3 <3 <3

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Tifareto [2013-09-04 01:06:32 +0000 UTC]

THIS //let me love you

so helpfull! Ugh i have been looking for something like this for a while -especially the layers thing- 

Also, i have a question! I dont know if you can answer this to me tho

After looking for options I decided to buy the bamboo splash tablet! Its from wacom

I read and saw a lot of reviews. Everyone says its an awesome tablet they dont have any complants etcetc.

I was wondering if you know if this is true? You posted this a year ago, idk if that tablet was out by then but if you have heard anything about this tablet, good or bad, I would love to know!

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Nuei In reply to Tifareto [2013-09-04 02:45:23 +0000 UTC]

Hey hey! Glad I helped! ^^ Geez, this tutorial is becoming old, I need to re-write this @__@

I never got a Bamboo splash myself, but I got a Bamboo fun. I think it's not quite the same: Mine had less pressure levels, and it was hard to do the shading with it, and yours has the same of an Intuous or Cintiq, so that a great bonus for you there!
The one thing that might cause you problems can be the size of your tablet, if it's the small one, you may start having wrist pain if you draw for too long. But you can always do warm ups, regular breaks and frequent muscle exercises while working to avoid sore muscles. 

I guess starting with a Bamboo is the best choice to see if you like digital art, and yours seems pretty damn good. I personaly changed tablets for the pressure levels (which doesn't seem to be a problem with your tablet) and hand-to-eye coordination. This last point may end up being your biggest problem, depending on if you get used to it or not. If you get used to it, great! Keep to your Bamboo around for as long as you feel like it! But if after a year you still feel that you could coordinate better, don't hesitate on getting a Cintiq or something equivalent. The 12WX models has been discontinuated (replaced by the 13HD), so I assume their price will become lower, and therefore, easier to buy

Also I took a peek at your gallery, it's really nice!! To think that you started not two months ago and you're already using gradients and painting your lineart... That's really impressive!! Learning so fast is a very good sign!
Good luck with your art, and keep giving good use to your new tablet!!

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Tifareto In reply to Nuei [2013-09-04 03:31:39 +0000 UTC]

//cries ok first, that you decided to take a look to my gallery makes me really happy! I have been practicing a lot these past two months, so a that such a good artist like you saying this makes me really happy! Im really gratefull, you dont know, it inspires me to become better!


I have read about the small size, its actually really small! What was bothering me was if I will be able to get better with such a small size, but after reading your tut and talking with some other artist I dont think thats a problem anymore! It might take more time, but thats okay!


But yes, i wanted to stared with something useful but not flashy because im just starting, however I really like digital art, It has a lot of possibilties! Im staring art on college next year -i might become a teacher, i dont know yet!- however ilustration is not a thing here in my country, and getting things like tablets and stuff is kinda hard! -the shipping is outrageous- I want to get a schoolarship or something, but for now this tablet was my only option! And some others like the capture but, for drawing and painting this was the best option!

Ah... Having a cintiq is like a dream! Right now thats impossible, but who know later uwu 


Ah and you know I think its ok? I mean the tablet info might be a little outdated, but the rest its ok for me! 

But ugh youre so nice, thanks for helping me! Actually your response helped me a lot, ugh and sorry if theres a really big grammar mistake, I forgot how to english OTL but again, THANK YOU 

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KittyKatDa [2013-07-28 10:20:48 +0000 UTC]

I love this tutorial!! It's so great and eye opening for me. I'm still new in digital art and working with layers. Also, it helped me a lot in choosing a good tablet

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jureko [2013-05-23 20:59:49 +0000 UTC]

wait wait wait.... what did you say over le-mouse O___o
I draw with that many years and it is not only vector and drawing over scanned pics
ok it is a limit... but you can learn how to manage this and how to get the same result (or close to) like this what you get from a tablet!
I found also a way to outline my works WITH! my mouse so that it looks better and clean
of course the mouse is not as good as a great tablet or cintiq-sensei
but it is not bad at all
and you can also pixel pictures with it o^o

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Arella18 [2013-05-03 10:09:00 +0000 UTC]

I've always wondered if wire framing counts as tracing. Part of my practice is drawing a stick figure over the pose to get the exact pose right.

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SH0STAKOVlTCH [2013-04-05 13:13:46 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much for the tutorial. It's really really helpful!!

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Neko-Cat-Girl [2013-03-29 05:42:51 +0000 UTC]

This answers my questions!
Thanks

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Lucy-Livija [2013-03-01 06:04:10 +0000 UTC]

great tutorial
thanks a lot

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harvestpupp [2013-02-28 05:19:50 +0000 UTC]

Nice tutorial! Um, how do you buy Paint tool sai and how much does it cost? I really want one so bad since of all the reasons you listed above!

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Nuei In reply to harvestpupp [2013-03-01 15:37:15 +0000 UTC]

I think it can only be bought online outside japan, and it's about 40 euros

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Joshb50 [2013-02-27 20:04:19 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the tutorial. I was one of those Traditional artists who thought "Digital art? No problem, I'll just go pick up photoshop and a Intuos 4 tablet and I'll be making masterpieces in no time flat. Afterall, with unlimited Undos how hard can it be?" Several days and several dissapointing drawings later, I was humbled and basically went back to pencil art. This has helped get me back into trying digital. This time starting at square one.

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NebetSeta [2013-02-25 00:10:12 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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CapnInsanity [2013-02-24 22:05:59 +0000 UTC]

this is very good info thanks!!!


i totally agree with all the points on the "myths".
especially if one is using Corel Painter..... =.=
and since i dont have to worry about throwing away trees with computer art i can improve and practice as much, and as fast as i can. i just wish other ppl saw that

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PetiteBubu [2013-02-24 20:56:42 +0000 UTC]

I totally agree with this tutorial! Finally someone has told that digital isn't very easy if you've never used it and has nothing in common with cheating *______* May I hug you? *hugs*
I've still been complained for the fact that I use a tablet to paint XD And I don't know if it happens to you too, but I'm quite pissed when someone at first says "ehi, I like your drawings" and then "wait, are they digital? Oh well, uhm, ok". <_______<"

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Filly8 [2013-02-24 19:50:02 +0000 UTC]

A good fairly fair base for starting out with digital work I Have always used GIMP (gimp.org) instead of photoshop because GIMP is free and functions like PS. I just recently gained SAI and i now use both. I make sketches in gimp, lineart in sai, and color in gimp It has been working really nicely!

I just think it's not a bad idea to mention to beginners that there is a free choice to PS as GIMP works pretty much exactly like PS and is a safe, free choice.

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AlienSodaJerk [2013-02-24 15:42:52 +0000 UTC]

I have a Monoprice 10" x 6.25" tablet that was around $50, and I think that may be what ~Luna-kitty89 was talking about. So far it works beautifully. It seems to get a lot of good reviews as well.

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ArieneVega [2013-02-24 15:33:37 +0000 UTC]

I use a Bamboo, course it was my first digital art pad, but it is very good to me
-pats bamboo tablet-
I wouldn't trade it for the world

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M0CKERY [2013-02-24 14:50:39 +0000 UTC]

as for comparing SAI and PS, photoshop is indeed for PHOTOs. it's not really made for digital drawing, while sai is made just for it
and don't talk like that of MSPaint, some mspaint artists are way better than most sai artists. if a method itself (traditional, digital with paint or sai) has a bad name, it doesn't mean mastering the said method is for bad~

the myths and FAQ thing #2 confuses me, though
you can leave your digital work as unfinished as you want and you get the same amount of... attention or whatever you're looking for, as you get when you make traditional stuff. digital sketches look just as nice as traditional ones
and traditional art can be compared to other traditional art just as well as digital can be compared to digital ene
there's no really difference on which makes improving easier/faster. it's more about that which method you enjoy more.
most digital artists i know greatly dislike the mess that making traditional can cause (paint and ink everywhere, pens and markers lost, oops i spilled ink on my work, wait i wasn't supposed to do this), while i myself prefer traditional art for the same reason c:

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Nuei In reply to M0CKERY [2013-02-24 15:51:04 +0000 UTC]

LOL you do have a point! For one to use MS paint, they need to have full control of all tools and shapes, and draw without the help of layers!
I just dont want begginers to get stuck to that program, since its too much to handle at first. This tuto is quite old, maybe I should rewrite it all xD

Hmm... From my experience, I get quite a lot more views on works that took more time than incomplete stuff, but I guess it depends a lot on the artist...

Maybe due to a cultural difference (art on my country is a f*cking joke) I find most traditional artists I know unable to advance in skill. Very few is taught at our school (AND colleges), no one knows techniques or materials and no one has a much to compare themselves to and say "boy, I suck! Maybe I should invest on new materials and techniques!".
When these people come to DA and realize what they should be doing, they finally start doing something.
Its circumstance I guess.

Thank you for sharing your oppinion, it made me think this whole thing needs to be re-done more attentiously and accuratly, and also include new pieces of information!

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M0CKERY In reply to Nuei [2013-02-24 16:20:02 +0000 UTC]

Yeah~ I just happen to know few extremely good MS paint artist (two of them make even realism with it)
It's good to try every program you can, so you know what really suits you the best uvu
And I had a feeling. I'd love to see how your views have changed when it comes to making digital art, though!

I mean, when you make a traditional, unfinished piece, it gets just as much views as the same person's unfinished digital piece uvu
Of course some people can draw amazing stuff traditionally in just ten minutes, but that goes with digital artists too. Which takes more time and asks for more work depends on the artist himself.
Drawing a traditional piece (without background) takes easily up to 10 hours for me Cl''

And that's possible. Maybe there's something that makes traditional artists more easily discouraged/unmotivated to try to develop their skills?
And money can be a problem too. I've noticed that people usually say that making digital art costs more.
Well, I have a tablet, which I got as a present. It cost less than 100 € and I got PS elements 6 with it. I have also few free art programs downloaded and installed on my comp. That 100€ was all that cost to have all the supplies that I need to make digital art, but what comes to traditional...
I have markers worth of more than 200 € and I still don't have enough of them. The sketch books I use in an year are worth of at least 50€. I need to buy new fine-liners every year, and they cost me easily 30€. Plus pencils, pens, erasers, rulers, etc, and all the special supplies I get to get.
With both, you need also a computer, and with traditional you need either a good camera or a scanner...
Some techniques are impossible to learn without the right supplies o3o
To me that's really the worst thing with drawing traditionally.

And no problem, I enjoy talking about things like this with people
I'm looking forward to see your re-done version of this
If you're really going to make one, that is uvu

and sorry for talking so much? l'D

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Nuei In reply to M0CKERY [2013-03-15 15:37:59 +0000 UTC]

Well, I believe everything is possible, but that's really impressive o_o

I would really like to try every program, but college leaves me with such a few time ;__; I feel good with paint tool sai tough, but if it kinda mixed with Photoshop while remaining easy, it would be way better!

Yeah, I agree with you! Yes my tablet was expensive as hell, but traditional art is consumable, so it keeps spending! It also NEEDS expensive material, lots and lots of it! Digital can download or create tools for free.
But don't you find traditional so pleasurable? I tried copics some time ago and I even shivered! It's so awesome!
I guess it's not very popular to use them in my country, I dunno we portuguese dudes are a bit lazy and like to complain instead of fighting for solutions.. That's probably also helping to slow down traditional artists.

No, it's ok! I like talking a lot much too, and specially to people who use techniques I don't know! :3

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floorsandwiches [2013-02-01 03:27:08 +0000 UTC]

Ahhh I was actually wondering about whether to invest in a cheap-o tablet to get started with but I think I'll invest in a Wacom tablet. Thank you for this!! c:

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Nuei In reply to floorsandwiches [2013-02-21 22:19:01 +0000 UTC]

Yeah its probably a good idea! You dont need a really expensive tablet for starting, a bamboo is fine, but less than that, hmm, I personally have had bad experiences with that.

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floorsandwiches In reply to Nuei [2013-03-10 04:20:00 +0000 UTC]

I'll start putting money into my piggy bank :3 I currently just use my iPad, a drawing app, and a stylus which is fine for now until I save up the money!

Yeah- less than a bamboo sounds like a nightmare for sure. D:

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Nuei In reply to floorsandwiches [2013-03-15 15:51:40 +0000 UTC]

I admire people who draw on ipads. I've tried it before and.... I'm too spoiled by the comfort of my tablet >u<

Good luck! ^^
But in your case you will probably feel ddifferent towards a no-screen tablet since you are used to an ipad... In your case I would rather go for a cintiq, if money came from trees

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ralkon [2013-01-11 18:40:44 +0000 UTC]

I use Manga Studio EX 4.0 and I'd suggest it to beginners because its a fairly straightforward program, It has all the bells and whistles of photoshop but it doesn't require any customization that I know of.

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Nuei In reply to ralkon [2013-02-21 22:14:13 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm, i used manga studio 6 years ago and i really really hated it. It probably chAnged since then, but is it even possible to paint with it?
I do use it for manga drawing, but not illustration.

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ralkon In reply to Nuei [2013-02-22 02:35:58 +0000 UTC]

it does amazing with line art but terrible with colors, i know its possible to paint with it, i might just need more practice with it

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Nuei In reply to ralkon [2013-02-22 10:32:03 +0000 UTC]

hmm... what I tought...
I usually recomend SAI because it has an excellent, stable line (just like manga studio) but it's also amazing for coloring. But one thing about SAI is true (which applies to any program in fact): you have to know how to use the tools. Shading cannot be done with an airbrush or blurr (this is either for exceptional cases or gradients on the base color), and the lineart cannot be made using the regular pen tool.
I use:
* pen tool with a bit less opacity and grain texture for my normal lineart.
* cute or chibi lineart is made with an almost 100% opaque brush tool.
* shades can be made with a solid pen tool, but always smoothened with a transparent brush/water/oil tool.
* they can also be made entirelly with a non-transparent brush/ water/oil tool.

It works fine and a bit of practice makes it perfect. Its a very easy program, also a very light one (my computer opens it in 1 second, while it takes 10 or more for manga studio and photoshop...

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