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SwiftgaiatheBrony In reply to Spider-Bat700 [2019-12-25 14:40:22 +0000 UTC]

Did you not see what Mace did to that droid army in the 2003 series?

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Spider-Bat700 In reply to SwiftgaiatheBrony [2019-12-25 21:52:26 +0000 UTC]

He use a Force Wave that caused a domino effect against the SBDs that were so close to one another that a domino effect was possible. That's a good feat, but not as good as it's often made out to be. Now granted, Mace's TK is a factor that puts the odds more in his favor, but I'd argue that even then Jack has a chance given his durability feats and also his speed (he could conceivably dodge a TK attack as Grievous did against Ki-Adi-Mundi). 

My comment you responded to is somewhat outdated. I would say that Mace sans RotS amp has a chance owing to his Force powers, but in raw dueling skill Jack can still keep up. 

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SwiftgaiatheBrony In reply to Spider-Bat700 [2019-12-25 22:14:26 +0000 UTC]

As strong as Jack is I dont think he can beat Windu. Windu beat Palpatine who in legends is stronger than any Sith in history and there have been Sith Lords powerful enough to destroy Planets and Stars.

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Spider-Bat700 In reply to SwiftgaiatheBrony [2019-12-26 04:05:23 +0000 UTC]

As I said: Mace sans RotS amp. Mace only did as well as he did against Palpatine because he was amped at the time.

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SwiftgaiatheBrony In reply to Spider-Bat700 [2019-12-26 04:16:48 +0000 UTC]

Even so Mace was considered the strongest Jedi at the time except for Yoda. Im convinced Jack could beat Obi Wan and Grievous but not Mace or Yoda.

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Spider-Bat700 In reply to kirk327 [2018-11-08 03:18:48 +0000 UTC]

I'd challenge that. I'd actually argue that they're close enough that neither one is winning easily. Unless Mace spams TK, but I'd argue Jack is sufficiently fast and durable that he could still be problematic for Windu even then. Only Windu when amped the way he was against Sidious could win easily, and I'm actually skeptical even then.

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kirk327 In reply to Spider-Bat700 [2018-11-08 03:30:27 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I'm not convinced. I find it doubtful for Jack to stand his ground against most Jedi or Sith. In Mace's case, it is a clear losing battle for Jack, since Mace can fight very aggressively without losing his cool. Even if Jack has the speed and durability to match Mace, which is not likely, it doesn't matter because if Jack gets cut by a lightsaber, it will hurt, especially if he loses his hands, which Mace is sure to go for. Not only that, but Mace doesn't need to spam TK, because he can win with far more subtle and creative tactics. He can simply hold Jack in place or telekinetically pull the sword out of his hands, either move leaves Jack completely screwed. If that wasn't enough, the Force also gives Mace precognition, so he will know what Jack will try to do before he even attacks.

No matter what, Mace is one of the few fighters who would make Samurai Jack look like an absolute loser. I think we're done here.

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Spider-Bat700 In reply to kirk327 [2018-11-08 03:37:42 +0000 UTC]

No, we're not "done here". Unless you thought I wasn't going to give a counter argument:

Firstly, Mace has never employed a strategy of rooting someone in place with TK, or he rarely has. There is little reason to think he would do so against Jack, who IS fast enough; he took out multiple foes who had him surrounded all before a single drop hit the ground, and dodged a ray of light after it had been fired. There is absolutely no reason to think he's significantly slower. And actually, he IS stronger; he once lugged around a boulder that would absolutely be heavier than an Akk Dog (which Mace wasn't able to move). 

Jack is fully capable of holding his own against or beating plenty of low-tier Jedi/Sith characters. No reason to think otherwise, considering low-tier Jedi and Sith and even many mid-tier ones do not have the plethora of feats that Samurai Jack has. Similarly, Mace is no more sword-proof than Jack is lightsaber proof; both are vulnerable to the other's weapon if it connects. Mace "fighting aggressively" is immaterial, as the Scotsman and Mad Jack were both MORE aggressive as fighters than Mace is, and were not able to defeat Jack. Simply being an aggressive fighter doesn't prove anything; most of Jack's enemies were "aggressive". That doesn't make them better. Likewise, Mace's fighting aggressively while maintaining a Jedi's serenity did not make him unbeatable either; against Count Dooku, Sora Bulq, and even Asajj Ventress he has been challenged. General Grievous likewise could stalemate him. Kar Vastor outright defeated him, and Mace later conceded that he would never be able to beat Kar in direct combat. 

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kirk327 In reply to Spider-Bat700 [2018-11-08 03:48:21 +0000 UTC]

Amazing, so much of what you have said is full of crap.

Most Jedi/Sith have accomplished comparable to similar feats that can help them easily fight Jack. There is no reason to believe he can beat anyone who has the Force as an ally, except if they were novices or noobs. Precognition is, and will be, the deciding factor of this fight. It doesn't matter how skilled or smart Jack is, or how many aggressive opponents he has fought, as Mace can casually beat most of them, except Aku, but only because he has no divine weapon to slay him. He will see all of Jack's attacks coming and will strike the killing blow too quickly for Jack to react.

Samurai Jack may be full of characters who have impressive feats under their belts, and while most, if not all of them, could easily wipe out the various armies that exist in Star Wars lore, the same is simply not true if they fought Jedi/Sith.

Now, we are done here.

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