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Published: 2013-05-30 10:21:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 2816; Favourites: 5; Downloads: 0
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Okay, I admit it. I haven't been keeping up with comic books the way I used to. Financial issues, time issues, lack of mobility, that sort of thing hits you. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes, I prefer the animated adaptations to the stuff they put out these days. It really makes me long for the days when Stan Lee, Steve Dikto, and Jack Kirby were manning the helm at Marvel.Still, when I heard that Spider-Man had basically been killed, with Dr. Octopus taking over his body with Peter Parker being left to die in the not-so-good doctor's body, I was more than a might perturbed. Granted, the odds of someone, let alone Peter Parker, staying dead in the world of comic books was basically next to zilch, and it's not like it would be the first time he had been killed. Still, I grated at the idea of one of the most depraved, arrogant, and vile villains of them all being basically given a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free pass, along with a new, superpowerful body at his command to do with as he pleased. Even if it seemed that all he wanted now was to show up Peter by being a Superior Spider-Man. It's...it's wrong, that's what it is. It's sick, disgusting, revolting, and I would be nauseated at the prospect of having to pen such a loathsome story.
And now, with Superior Spider-Man #9, in which Slott makes it clear that he wants Otto Octavious to be Spider-Man for keeps, I feel like I want to throw up.
Spider-Man has always been one of my childhood heroes. I grew up on him, watching his exploits on TV and reading the comic books. I even pick up novelizations when I have the chance. And now Dan Slott has taken that hero and replaced him with a vile monstrosity, saying that he wanted a 'darker' Spider-Man.
Paging Mr. Slott. A darker Spider-Man doesn't work. It's been tried. And it's always failed. Badly.
I've read the reviews and checked out what I can. And basically, all it looks like to me is that Dan Slott is using his time in the sun to bash Peter Parker with everything he's worth, and portray Dr. Octopus, a malicious, cruel, vindictive monstrosity with who knows just how much blood on his hands as a better hero and role model.
Dan Slott, you suck so badly I can't even begin to say how much you suck. And while you may be enjoying the additional readership your sick, twisted brainchild is enjoying right now, I honestly believe that it won't be enjoying it for much longer. Especially with all the death threats you've been getting.
Seriously, you have Stan "The Man" Lee calling you out for your idiocy. Get with the program already.
Sheesh...there are days when I'd be willing to wager that I could write circles around people like Slott while wearing a blindfold and with one arm tied behind my back...
For those of you interested, there's a petition being signed by those who want Peter Parker once again in the Red, Web, and Blue. So here's the link if you wish to sign it. www.change.org/petitions/marveβ¦
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I just don't get how a Murderer being a hero using a cliche mind swap is "Mind Blowing" It plays out exactly how you'd expect it to. We already have Scarlet Spider for the whole dark and edgy Spider-man I don't see the sense in having two Spider-men acting the same.
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Exactly. And trying to pass Doc Ock off as a hero?! They tried the same thing with Sabretooth once as I recall, and worked about as well.
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It's not even the first time Peter has been replaced remember when Kraven killed Peter and wore his costume? And I didn't mind the body swap at the beginning but that's more of a 4 issue thing rather than an entire year's worth of titles. And you're right about Sabretooth although at least if we ever wanted a heroic Sabretooth we have the AoA version
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Yeah, I remember that bit about Kraven. Unless I remember wrong, he buried Spidey alive and tried to take his place. But in my opinion, this is even worse, for Slott is going out of his way to declare a certifiable psycho and monster as a better hero. And definitely; this insanity has been allowed to continue for far too long...
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Yeah I mean he was pulling a criminal's teeth out in one issue yes Slott, I always wanted to read Spider-man torturing people. What did Stan say exactly I only read he thought it wasn't going to last but he thought Dan was being creative (Lol good joke). The whole issue where he fights Peter Parker's memories I watched a review on it and he said he enjoyed it made me think eugh why would you like something so horrible?
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I just hope that someone at Marvel wises up soon, and puts Spider-Ock out of our misery, and fast!
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So I can actually read Spider-man again and not have to avoid all the titles he appears in!
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What can you do, Superior sucks, but that won't stop SLott or his brainwashed fans.
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Well, I did sign the petition to have this particular bit of idiocy retconned, preferably sooner rather than later.
Hopefully, someone at Marvel will get the clue. Seriously, Slott was called out on his stupidity by Stan "The Man" Lee himself! That has to count for something!
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Poor Stan, Marvel is ruining it's once iconic character and Lee's own creation.
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Probanly the most well thought out article I've read about Slott. I hate Superior Spider-Man for turning a relatively bright and hopeful character into The Punisher with Spider powers. I never wanted a darker Spider-Man.
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Thank you. And after everything Slott has done and said to justify making Doc Ock Spider-Man, saying that his willingness to kill makes him better than Peter Parker and everything...honestly, this is wrong on just so many levels. Part of the appeal of Spider-Man is that he never gives up, or gives in. He sticks to his principles as best as he can, not allowing himself to sink to the level of his enemies. And here Slott has trashed everything about him to create this absolute abomination.
Slott has great power, but he's being hopelessly irresponsible with it.
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The worse part is that Slott has written good Spider-Man stories before issue 700. It's like they rushed the ending and didn't put much thought into any of the superior spider-man stories. What I would have been fine with is if Spider-Man just absorbed Ock' s intelligence instead of losing his body completely.
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That would certainly have been better. Heck, a great many things would have been better than the Inferior Spider-Man, as I am known to call it.
Of course, almost as nauseating as Doc Ock in Spidey's body is Slott's constant efforts to justify an egomaniacal psychopath would be better than Peter Parker as Spider-Man... 
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I think a lot of modern comics have gone to shit. They just feel so out of touch.
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Being honest, there's a couple of ideas that can be taken from this for other stuff (say, Treacherous Web-also has a mad scientist as a Spidey, but Ritsuko at least is still not over the Moral Event Horizon (well, killing Gendo is debatable at best, Kick The Son Of A Bitch at worst)). But that's about it.
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I'm going to wait and see how the whole thing pans out.. although it probably will take a few more months.
Personally, two things: Otto wants to be a Superior Spider-Man? He's gonna have to work for it. A shitload.
He's standing right now on Peter's shoulders-it's Peter's job, it's Peter's Avengers membership (things have strained but it hasn't been revoked yet, I think). He should get into a clustefuck big enough that the whole friggin' Marvel Universe (most specially, those who liked Peter... which, yeah, it's the whole heroic part of the Marvel Universe) are out to get him.
Second: Peter needs to come back. Everybody wants to (and dunno what would take to bring him back for real... probably a boycott of buying Marvel comics, I guess. Hit the bottom line, force them to do it, right?) in-universe and out.
So he comes back, sees that everybody put a flamethrower to the bridges that Otto was crossing, and only sighs and accepts it's the typical Parker luck and starts to look how to start over... the other heroes pretty much put him back to his pre-mind-switch status (well, possibly barring a couple of things, like the MJ relationship... but, heck, just makes it nicer when they come back together, I guess).
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I heard that people hated The Superior Spider-man, and I can now certainly see why.
They're making a dark Spider-man? Isn't that what Venom's for?
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I know. And they're throwing out all the morality and everything else about Spider-Man right out the window.
I mean, it's kind of like making Superman a murderous psycho, all for more sales.
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Yeah, when you think about when Peter was in possession of the symbiote after the Secret Wars, it started preying on Peter's darker impulses that he has to keep in check due to his powers and it became a battle of wills between Peter and the symbiote until it was separated and hand over to the Fantastic Four before escaping and finding Eddie Brock.
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I understand where you're coming from, most of my recent comic book reading has ceased because I felt the majority of what Marvel and DC were putting out was practically crap. When I saw the Marvel Movies and Avengers EMH, I was inspired to go back and read early issues from the 1960s. As products of their times they were good solid stories.
But also there philosophy in comics that when a society matures and becomes more sophisticated the heroes have to change to stay relevant with the times. But that can be a double edge sword especially with older readers who are scratching their heads and going what the hell especially with very iconic characters. Unless you're reading Batman where Batman has been taken full circle where, for the times, Batman of the 40s was dark and gritty but lightened up in the 50's-60s with Smiling Batman, then by the 70s they could bring Batman back to being a dark character especially with stories like Danny O'Neil's "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge"
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Well, my philosophy in regards to people is that, deep down, they don't really change, or at least not that much. They grow, they become more experienced, and sometimes worn down by what they go through, but they all react to different things in their own way. And comic book characters should be no different.
Still, I do miss the stories of the old days...
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I understand. But I think its also a symptom that has been plaguing the rest of American media not just comic books, it's relying too much on gimmicks rather than quality work to boost sales. You see it in the movies, TV, music, popular literature, etc.. it's all geared towards instant and temporary gratification instead of long term enjoyment.
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Oh, so it's not just me, huh?
Yeah, I've noticed that as well, much to my considerable dismay.
At this risk of coming off as being completely arrogant...I'd be willing to bet I could write circles around some of these morons.
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No, because an inspired amateur can be just as good or even better than a professional, just look at Tolkien's work.
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Nobody thinks it would last. It was a "big shock" event of the year and so they could end Amazing Spiderman at the 700th issue exactly.
They're already setting up the means for Peter's return so the only questions are how long and what they'll call the next Spiderman comic series.
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They don't need big shock events, if you ask me. What they need is better writers.
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Something worse that a horrible plot idea. A horrible plot idea that the writer actually thinks is a good idea.
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Ehhh granted it's been a while since I've read the comics but I don't remember Doc Ock being quite that vile. Not saying that this still isn't a completely idiotic idea that should be retconned as soon as possible and then tossed in the canon discontinuity pile because that's so obvious I'm amazed anyone let him go through with it. I though we were finally over the darker and edgier trend, so much for wishful thinking.
So let's see where does this fit in on the patheon of really dumb things that have been done with spiderman? Not sure this matches things like Peter turns into a giant spider and gives birth to himself but it's damned close. Yeesh.
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"Ends of the Earth" is the arc that featured Doc Ock before the 'Death of Spider Man' arc (dunno how many issues is that one, but it ends on #700 with Otto becoming Spidey).
He gets a temper tantrum and decides to try and destroy the friggin' world-gets pretty far into doing so-and Spidey beats him up bad enough that he ends un on The Raft on life support (well, it's said that all of the combined beatings he's gotten from life in general and Spidey in particular had him on the ropes health-wise (which is one of the reason for said tantrum-he was going for a 'Taking You With Me' trope), but the beat down he gets on "Ends" is the straw that broke the camel's back).
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The Dying Wish arc lasts from issue #698 to #700.
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Ahh yeah thinking about it I do recall hearing a few things about that one. Sounded like the whole thing got kinda convulted to me but I'd still say it's rather better then this situation.Oh well what can ya do?
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Doc Ock might not be the worst Marvel baddie, but he has gone past the Moral Event Horizon on more than one occasion. How anybody could think this was anything short of an appallingly bad idea is beyond me. And yeah, I do wish that people would stop equating "darker and edgier" with "better".
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Eh okay must of have been some stories I missed. Either way I agree it is a pretty bad idea, and it doesn't sound like it's been executed all that well either. And yeah, while dark stories can be good just making things dark for the sake of being dark never works. Sad thing the memo about that hasn't gotten around.
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It's Marvel. They have been on this road since... when, about five to seven years ago? This definitely started with 'Civil War' (or at least is the biggest even around that could be considered a 'trigger'-this could be going as far back as the 'House of M' or 'Avengers Dissassembled' or... well, hell, even as far back as the friggin' Eighties) and haven't stopped.
I find several members of the X-Men sexy (and who doesn't?) but honestly, I do not read any of those things anymore (well, individual issues. Bought a few graphic novels here and there, but mostly stuff like 'First Class'). The dreariness is just suffocating.
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Point taken, kinda makes me glad I haven't actively followed things in a while.
Fair enough, I'm with you whole things just getting a little too bleak for me, then again considering some of the things I find funny my precptions might be a bit askew. I'll just stick to coreline and that sort of thing. Speaking of which I should note ya soon been working on some ideas in that regard.
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How ironic you mention Spidey because I actually had a question about him as I was going to ask you as soon as I arrived here. Well, that being said, I'll ask it now. How many strands of silk woven tightly together would it take for Spider-Man to weave a rope of webbing with enough strength and durability to match Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth?" Also, how thick would said rope be?
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Considering the fact that the Lasso of Truth is basically indestructible...lots of webbing. Lots and LOTS of webbing.
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Well then, I have to ask. Do you think it could be done?
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Maybe...if Spidey ever managed to work adamantium into his webbing formula.
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I am going to wait and see how Superior Spiderman works out, since Marvel are now big fans of their annual 'BIG SHIT HAPPENS THAT CHANGES THINGS' events who knows what will be coming next year. But then I thought they already had a darker Spiderman - Scarlet Spider starring the dark version of Spiderman himself, the clone Kaine.
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They do have Kaine as Scarlet Spider. But apparently, that wasn't enough for Slott.
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The thing is, he's one of those writers whose name currently carries a little bit of clout. So once he leaves the title and someone thinks 'You know what this notion has run its course' it will still be difficult to change things. It's like whenever they bring Brian Michael Bendis to write something and he decides to shake things up, and then every other series has to somehow work around that.
As a writer I'm keen on shooting for a gig in comics, but I'd certainly like a crack at my own material or something similar.
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Great. This is an even bigger pile of than the New 52 over at DC. What is with these morons, anyway.
And I do know what you mean about wanting to be able to publish my own stuff...
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