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philco6505 [2017-12-13 20:38:27 +0000 UTC]
I continue to be amazed at the creativity and imagination of others who enjoy alt-history as I do.
I have often played with the time-line of "if Hitler had been admitted to art school in Vienna," too. I've been an on-going student of the Third Reich--in particular, of Dr. Speer--for some time, too.
Advice, of course, is worth what you pay for it. But, I'd avoid the Hitler was gay thing. It just has no legs, historically. Hitler was not gay. He was evil and, no surprise, he treated the women in his life like s**t. But, their is plenty of evidence to support those female affairs; no substantiated evidence to support the argument that Hitler was gay.
But, it is true that Rohm was one of the few people Hitler was on a "du" relationship with. But, there was nothing extraordinary between them, let alone a gay relationship.
Hitler's true Bromance was with Dr. Albert Speer. Professor Speer alluded to that in "Inside the Third Reich," but made it more clear in his conversations with journalist Gitta Sereny. She, too, does a great investigative job in determining their relationship. Neither Hitler nor Speer was gay. Hitler had hetrosexual daliances during his life and Speer was also straight. But, there was a truly deep love between the two--again expressed and supported by Speer's own words. But, it never became physical.
It's interesting to wonder "What would have happened..." if Hitler became the artist he wanted to. He might have faded into history.
The big question is what would have happened to Germany during the Great Depression. Germany was finally recovering in the late 20s, but when the Depression hit, everything went sideways and the still vengeful Allies refused to support centrist government, assuring the collapse of the democratic republic. Other rightist organizations could have arisen. But, there is just as much of a chance that the Communists could have come to power.
Dr. Speer--if the centrist government held--would have probably just been an architect. Hitler's Germania ideas were megalomaniac in nature; he was literally planning to bulldoze one-half the entire city of Berlin to rebuild it in his image. It's doubtful that any government but one he led as dictator would have proceeded with those plans.
Interesting stuff to ponder.
Keep it up!
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Joseph20102011 [2014-11-28 15:44:27 +0000 UTC]
What happened to Argentina in this ATL?
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bruiser128 [2014-11-10 22:36:31 +0000 UTC]
Fascism without Nazi association would do far better than OTL in terms of appeal.
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bruiser128 In reply to OttoVonSuds [2014-11-11 00:48:22 +0000 UTC]
Well I stopped associating fascism with Nazism after getting into politics.
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jefffletcher [2013-08-02 04:48:57 +0000 UTC]
Brilliant piece of work! I found the bit about Japan developing giant robots a hilarious tidbit - I don't suppose that's to battle the giant monsters, right?
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mdc01957 [2013-01-28 04:32:54 +0000 UTC]
Curious, though IMO you'd imagine the French retaining a more Commonwealth-type grip in their former colonies given their situation (to compete with the Brits with after all...). Also, the muslim immigration in OTL alone is markedly more complex (eg. the Turks and Yugoslavs being brought over to Austria as workers...but stayed) but less dramatic in OTL than how some people like to put it (i.e. the odds of Eurabia actually happening are close to zero especially with the populist backlash).
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OttoVonSuds In reply to mdc01957 [2013-01-28 04:54:31 +0000 UTC]
France tries just that with only limited results given communist and fascist promotion of unrest.
Without the iron curtain, you get poles and others being available so they don't need to recruit turks. Yugoslavs? They'd get some muslims, but fewer than OTL with more labor sources besides Yugoslavia being available. When has something being false been enough reason to discredit it as an issue for people to rally against? A more nationalist europe would get snippy about fewer muslims than our europe did.
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mdc01957 In reply to OttoVonSuds [2013-01-28 06:03:25 +0000 UTC]
You have a point there. Without WW2's aftermath, I could plausibly see a more nationalist Germany being very uppity with minute muslim minorities.
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OttoVonSuds In reply to mdc01957 [2013-01-28 15:54:18 +0000 UTC]
You'll see. I need to actually finish the writeups so don't expect anything for a while.
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mdc01957 In reply to OttoVonSuds [2013-01-29 14:43:43 +0000 UTC]
It's alright.
I've also got a Byzantine map in the works btw.
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OttoVonSuds In reply to QuantumBranching [2013-01-28 02:41:25 +0000 UTC]
Pretty much that and Russia likes having it as a buffer and isn't overly pleased with Japan over Mongolia, so it turns a blind eye to outsiders propping up the PRC. This situation isn't necessarily stable. I'll put it like this, be very glad that the total world nuclear arsenals are in the hundreds to low thousands, and not at even OTL mid cold war levels -- between this and the potential arab and or russian splits of Fascism that I mention in my last response to you this world has about a 75-90% chance of a medium or largescale nuclear war by 2033 ranging between early/mid 1950s level to the worst case being cuban missile war levels.
Pretty much, yes.
Yeah. That's not very stable and will probably not last much longer. I was presenting a snapshot of the world around now. Then again, the Arab world isn't the only potential fracture within World Fascism. There's room for an Italian/Russian split between moderates and more extremists to go along with the arab/third world fascist split.
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OttoVonSuds In reply to QuantumBranching [2013-01-28 03:47:54 +0000 UTC]
Long-lived and healthy[1] leadership will keep things sorta-stable. Remember that the OTL revolution in Egypt happened when Mubarak was borderline senile.
[1] Exercising more and a better diet has kept TTL's version of Mubarak with a mental/physical state more like his 90s/early 00s self. Wait a few more years...
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