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Published: 2009-05-29 00:56:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 6910; Favourites: 16; Downloads: 15
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I found this picture of Jace while I was digging around DA looking for a black blue Jace. Perfect, isn't it?Anyway, the card is what you get if you fuse blue and black, you get draw and discard, or loothing. Play him with a Megrum. It'll make you happy. His limit break is the ultimate fusion of blue and black. You draw from your graveyard. Like a super Ill gotten gains. I think he's pretty damn cool.
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I designed him wayback when, but yeah, I'm still pretty proud of the design.
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though not quite so milly as regular Jace (I have a blue black mill deck that features Megrim, Jace Beleran and Underworld Dreams)
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I was trying to make him less milly than the original Jace, it's true.
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Just a little weird I'm so used to milling being Jace's thing.
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I know, but I figured if he got black mana it wouldn't be as important to him.
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no I get that it was just not what I'm used to.
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Hrm...I don't really think this card is that good. Then again, it looks like you designed it before Jace, the Ludricously Overpriced Mind Sculpter came out and effectively replaced Jace 1 in nearly all blue decks.
I don't know why people are saying +2 is too much. It's only Merfolk Looter's effect, although you can target your opponent. I'm not sure I'd ever play his -3, and the fact his ultimate effects your opponent as well makes it very bad. You'd have to use something that exiled their graveyard first to make it a good ability.
Interesting looking card though.
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I did. Actually, I designed it about three years before Jace the wallet rapist came along.
I also designed it when I had no idea of power level, so it wasn't going to be that good.
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It would be interesting if the last ability was fixed, I've seen far worse custom cards out there.
I did wonder if they would replace Jace 1 with the Mind Sculptor in the next core set, but I hear that the Wallet Rapist is being left to rotate out of standard. I do own one Mind Sculptor card, I was lucky enough to open one at a release event for Worldwake and they weren't redrafting rares. I made out with a steal that day...heh. Still, I'd love another copy of him but I'm not paying a stupid amount of money for just one card...and no-one will really trade him.
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I keep telling myself that I'm going to go back and fix this Jace, but I never seem to get around to it. Maybe this summer.
I sold my Mind Sculptor for an entire box of rise of the eldrazi. Didn't open a single titan. Was very disappointed.
I hope they don't bring him back. I'm honestly voting for a Jace the 3rd, since Jace 1 is solid if a bit underwhelming and Jace 2 is absurdly good, so I'm wondering if they can find some middle ground with a third version.
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I'll have to post up some more of my Magic card designs sometime.
Sorry to hear you didn't get any titans. I was hoping to open a Gideon in my box, or even the Sarkhan card but didn't get either. I am happy to hear that Wizards plan on having Gideon replace Ajani Goldmane in the next core set.
I'm probably the only person who'd be happy seeing Mind Sculptor over Beleren in the next core set, but I don't think it will happen. Jace 3 would be an awesome idea though, I'm just not sure what kind of abilities it ought to have to find that middle ground.
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Yeah, that was a relief. I don't really care if it's original gideon or new gideon, I'm just tired of opening Ajanis and thinking of the Alara book.
Actually, it's been confirmed by Maro that JTMS won't be in the new set, sorry mate. And I have no ideas either, but I trust the people at Wizards creative to do something awesome.
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That's a shame. I was hoping I could open a second Mind Sculptor at least. Looks like I'll have to pray the price drops somewhat when JTMS rotates out of standard.
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That's what I'm hoping too, but let's be honest with ourselves. If it goes down it'll probably be only be by ten or twenty dollars, since he's such a legacy powerhouse.
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Yeah, I guess so. It is stupid how high he's priced...a standard card should never be worth that much. I thought Baneslayer Angel was bad when that first came out.
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Ah yes. Poor Baneslayer. She's so unimportant now. I rarely hear about her. I think that Jace has just completely outshone her.
Also, I agree that he's completely absurdly priced. But that's because people are so desperate to get their hands on him that they'll pay just about anything to get a copy. If people were willing to stop shelling out so ridiculously for him, the price would go down (supply and demand), but people are apparently so desperate for Jaces that they can't just wait a few months. Oh wait, he's rotating out in a few months. Awkward.
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Yeah...hopefully people will be less desperate for copies once he leaves standard. I guess we'll find out fairly soon.
I have known people use Jace Beleren's as Mind Sculptor proxies. It kinda irked me how Mind Sculptor practically replaced Beleren in all blue decks after his release. I still used Beleren in my mill deck, and the other day I milled someone to lose with a double Beleren ultimate.
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We can only hope.
I still play Belerens because I love him in most of my decks.
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Well, you can't complain at getting extra card draws during your turns.
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That's the whole point. And no one hits him because he's just going down.
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Heh, well I use his +2 ability fairly often, especially in my mill deck.
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I had a mill deck and I used it in there for that. In my Soramaro deck I use the +2 ability to keep people off of my ass by trying to kill him.
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Heh, planeswalkers can make good meatshields. This is especially true in my Planeswalker deck, a lot of the time people work so hard trying to stop me getting ultimates off or killing them off they forget about my life total...and then it's too late...heh.
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Fair. Creatures that are common repeaters do come in at common all the time at 2 mana (3 is odd). However, it's one a turn, tap to do, and they are at about the same power and toughness you'd expect from blue for 2 mana.
On the other hand, this ability has the added bonus of giving yourself not only card selection but also an additional resource. Any form of hand manipulation should not be looked at as a trivial mechanic in the least.
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I'm not trivializing it. I understand that card selection is powerful, but it's nowhere near as powerful as actual card advantage, which is what Jace 1.0 gives you. Admittedly comparative card advantage is his -1, but he can get you some serious card draw. And he only costs 3, and in one color rather than 2.
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The card is distinctly undercosted for what he does.
Any form of targeted card selection is not cheap; it usually comes in at 2 mana and has a further 2 mana activation cost each time. An expensive investment for blue, the control color, since every mana spent selecting a card is not used to control the board.
Card selection is an incredibly powerful mechanic.
Consider the following card:
1U, Sorcery
Draw three cards then discard three cards
There's a distinct reason that this wouldn't get printed at this mana cost. Even at 3 mana it's pushing it; and it certainly isn't a common like Burning Inquiry (discard at random is the major element there).
I'd make his first ability a +1 instead of a +2 to be honest.
His -3 is fine: It's effectively: drop turn 4, trade in my hand.
You can also do it later, but it comes at the cost of 3 loyalty counters, and a brand new hand has few guarantees. It's not card selection, it's hand replacement, which is a distinctively different idea.
His ultimate, however, does not obey the color pie. Black certainly doesn't like helping both players, and neither does blue. Not only that, but you're asking a player who's invested himself in protecting Jace to get his ultimate off to get something that equalizes rather than tips the scales. Definitely a betrayal of player trust.
However, I think he's an interesting card, and definitely plays well with Liliana and so has a strong flavor.
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Looting is not a ridiculous ability. It usually appears at common at 2 or three mana. Jace is essentially a looter with haste, which is good. Bear in mind, however, that he's mythic. I agree that his first ability could be a +1, but I'm not entirely convinced.
His last ability could be changed, it's true. Maybe make it exclusive to you, seems fair.
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jace, the compressed. or Jace, Devourer of Fluctuators.
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Oh hush. I liked the art and there's only so much I can do with MSE.
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the -8 might either do nothing or be advantageous to an opponent D: Almost a double edged sword unless using megrim or Liliana's caress lol
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It is something of a double edged sword, but in theory you've been using his second ability to dump good stuff into your graveyard so you can get it back with that.
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That's pretty cool. They just re-released the 5 original Planeswalkers from Lorwyn in the new set coming out in a couple weeks, but this would be a really cool one to have.
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Yeah, I know. For all we know, he might be the one being rereleased in a new form in Zendikar.
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Never know. After all, they did make Nicol Bolas a planeswalker, too.
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Well, he always was a planeswalker...it's just now, with the mending, they could actually make him a card.
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That's what I meant. Jeska's old card actually said Planeswalker in her name, so they could always make her one, too.
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Actually, they can't, since she sacrificed herself to close the Otarian rift in Future Sight. So unless those planeswalkers didn't die, no Jeska, no Windgrace and no Freyalise.
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They weren't all that great, anyway. I didn't read the stories too much, I just play the game a lot.
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I enjoy reading the stories, but I prefer to play the game. Or make cards, if I have time.
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Are you familiar with a format called EDH? (Elder Dragon Highlander)
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Very. My collection isn't extensive enough to allow me to build an effective EDH deck. I'd like to build a g/w tokens deck with Rhys the Redeemed as my captain. That'd be pretty awesome.
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Nice. My general is the Sen Triplets. B/W/U
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I've heard they've become a popular general recently. What does your deck try to do?
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Basically, I try to lock them down with complete control. I play a lot of counters, I have 3 of the planeswalkers in there, too. Jace for drawing, Liliana for searching/hand control, and Tezzeret for Artifact searching. The deck works really well. Oh, and I play Mindslaver.
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Ah ha! I guessed that you'd be playing mindslaver if you were playing the triplets. Are you playing much other esper stuff?
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Not much. I'm just working on foiling it out now.
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Ah, tournament player, are ye?
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Sometimes on Friday nights, but we rarely have EDH tournaments. I'm more of a casual player.
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