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Ornstein the fuck are you doing here go back to DS1 you assand polish your armor as well holy shit
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He doesn't need to polish his armor. Even with a rusty armor, he still look badass and able to slay Dragons and split Rocks in two.
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There is a theory that the Old Dragonslayer is the real Ornstein and the one we fight in DS1 is an Illusion created by Gwyndoline.
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Or it is (in my opinion) Ornstein "reincarnated". Like how the Duke's Dear Freja is Seath "reincarnated".
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Ehhh, only the Lord Souls do that and Freja wasn't the reincarnation, that was either the dead dragon in her lair or the Duke in the study right before the Primordial Bonfire, and the few souls that do return are never have the same appearance.
Also, with Ornstien's armor and spear being in Archdragon Peak it begs the question of how it got there if he's been killed twice, and how would he remember the Nameless King if he were a reincarnation.
My guess is it is likely time shenanigans, "Time if Convoluted in Lordran) after all.
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Thanks for not being a dick like the last 5 people I've tried to have a honest discussion with.
And as to why Ornstien's armor and spear are at Archdragon peak, I'd say it was because of one of a few reasons. I can believe this one a little more but I can also see the reason in others.
1. He was a illusion in Dark Souls 1, like Gwynevere, and left (Like his armor states) the cathedral before Smough, and then Smough left after. He has been wandering the whole time to eventually serve the nameless king, or was serving him the whole time. As for where he is now...
I think it is possible that he is the Dragon the Namless King rides. I don't think it's likely but it's interesting to think about. After all, many dragon corpses (The kind we can turn into) lie all around the place, in different forms and varying appearance. Maybe the transformation for us and them is only semi-successful, and Ornstien was the first to pull it off right, and became the King of the Storm. But I think that it might be revealed in a DLC hopefully, cause we're scraping at flies mostly to try to figure stuff out right now.
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Interesting idea but I think the descriptions for the Nameless King's gear and soul suggest that he has had the King of Storms for a long time, since just before Gwyn struck him from the Annuls of History.
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I think it says that he tamed a storm drake and rode it into battle a few years before he betrayed Gwyn, and that he claimed it's soul when it died. So the original is dead, but we don't know about the one he rides in his boss fight.
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The claiming it's soul part can be referring to the midway point of the boss fight.
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Maybe and possibly, but I don't think so for 1. Is says at the end "During the age of ancients" so it's referencing a long time ago. But that could also mean he was just carrying on that tradition today. Could he talked around for hours without a answer.
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My theory is that Ornstein in DS1 is the real one, while the old dragon slayer is an apparitlon of all four of Gwyn's knights vengence, in the form of there stoic leader.
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I like that theory, but I prefer thinking that Ornstein is undead, therefor he could be both of them, donning black armor and magic in the shame of defeat
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Possible but except for Gwyn we don't see the Undead Curse affect anything other than humans. The Undead Dragon's don't count because their undeath is from an unwillingness to die rather than a curse.
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I approve of that theory.
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Mnn idk...he seemed pretty real when he sat on me in DS1. I mean Gwynevere sorta popped at contact. :L
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JESUS CHRIST Geezerstein what happened over there?!
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When I first fought against Ornstein in Dark Souls 2, I immediately dropped my weapon and my jaws because of his rocket-thruster attacks. So instead of effortless solo, I summon help from other players to get some taste of vengeance...
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he seems to have befallen the same fate asΒ artorias shown by his darkened appearance and the fact that hes been resurrected.
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Well thank god he doesn't have the lightning anymore. XD
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Nice one.
I wholly agree with the description.
Although my initial reaction was: "Oh, Ornstein, you were such a badass back then... But now you're damn weak."
Also, if you look at his moveset, looks like it's canon that he absorbed Smough (i.e., the Chosen Undead killed Smough first) because although he's not massive, he still has the jump-up-butt-smash attack that Smough/Super Ornstein had.
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I think that when The Chosen Undead did that, when the flames weakened again and the undead curse rose again. Ornstein rose up, with the years toll on his armor it loss it's shine and he found the Leo ring again then. Without a purpose and without a cause Ornstein joined the Dragon Riders, abandoning Gwyn which turned his lightning into the darkness he now uses plus the time Ornstein was dead took toll on his body making him smaller.......But then again, "Time is distorted" so yeah Β
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My theory on Ornstein is that you never really fought him, it was an illusion created by Gwyndolin, along with the rest of the city. It never made sense to me that one of the best knights of Gwyn would be guarding an illusion. Besides, he was the guard of Gwynnevere, and as we know, she fled Anor Londo with the Flame God, Flann. Heide's structures resemble Anor Londo and the place you visit in which you find Ornstein and the Dragonrider is called Heide's Tower of Flame. Taking this in account, I have come to the theory that Ornstein accompanied Flann and Gwynnevere to what would be called Heide. Β
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Heide remembers me of another area, too: New Londo. We know that New Londo was flooded to contain the Abyss and Heide is flooded as well. My take on it is that Ornstein stayed behind while everyone fled Heide as the Abyss approached to flood and seal it. But something went wrong and he ended up consumed by the Abyss before the entire city could be destroyed.
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There is a big hole with the illusion theory, if Ornstein and Smough were illusions, then explain the souls you get when killing them. That's the hole I and many theorists are talking about.
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People always talk about this hole, but never mentioned that you can get the equipment and souls from the sentinels (which were illusions as well).
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Well if you could get Bound Armor(Armor fashioned from the Illusion Branch) that works like the actual armor in Oblivion, I guess there's slight logic even with the change of game
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This is really just elaborating on my point, but nice story.
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(BEWARE OF SPOILERS AND THEN BEWARE OF SPOILERS)-Rate 20
It is fact that Manus died back in Oolacile and that was dispersed in many fragments(Nashadra being one of them). We know that she can manipulate the dark and had a great deal of influence over the kingdom of Drangleic. The dragonriders "helped in the fundation of Drangleic, by killing its old inhabitants". There is one of them in Heide, a place so old that nobody knows its history(only that it fell in the sea). There resides the Old Dragonslayer, a shadow of the former Draonslayer, wearing the real Leo Ring.
Speculation:Like PenageguyXD said, it seems that Ornstein fell last on the batlle against the chosen undead. Perharps he/she found the ring, but lost it or didnΒ΄t even take it when Ornstein died. Maybe when Nashandra gained a form, she found the ring and revived the knight using dark magic(hence the dark magic and move-set). Though it seems that his soul is still ``pureΒ΄, because when Artorias fell his soul was tainted(Becoming purple, like VelstadΒ΄s). But Old DragonslayerΒ΄s soul is yellow like the rest of the common bosses. I believe only the ritual was dark ad so only his appearance and attacks were affected.
He is in an area close to the dragonrider, yet this is confusing since he should oppose the dragons and wyrms. The only logical explanation is that he was being controlled by Nashadra to do her bidding. Considering that Heide has an striking ressemblance to Anor Londo, and perharps they had some connection(culture and people alike), it would be safe to assume that Heide was a threat to Nashandra, since they could be followers of Gwyn.Β
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I didn't think of that dude, and besides I don't usually make theories if I didn't finish the game so I can't be spoiled by anything
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same with this one, printed and block-mounted in my office! defiantly a piece of art!
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Nice! Ornstein really is my fave boss of all time, I wonder if it's the same Ornstein as DS1.
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wow that looks great man got a good atmosphere about it!
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Or as I affectionately call him~ Not-Ornstein.
Nice work
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Came out well, followed the link from reddit. Β Your concern about cheating drawing the back view, not when it comes out like this; gave me that feeling that he's already waiting for the next challenger.
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