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Well if they work they can buy some shoes
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Right, like sweat-shop workers in Malaysia who risk their lives sitting in toxic work environments within structurally unsafe buildings being paid literal pennies a day in return for countless hours of labor - and they have no other option, they have no ability to go to school, they have no alternatives for better conditions, NOTHING... THEY HAVE NOTHING. And this is a good 90% of the Third World. The number of people like this in the First world is fewer but all the more unforgivable.
In short, bugger off.
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Strange how you specifically mention Malaysia. Man, you know I bet Malaysia's quite the hellhole.
Wait, according to the World Bank, Malaysia has a GNI per capita income between 4 and 12 thousand dollars, which classifies it as Upper Middle.
databank.worldbank.org/data/do…
But, you know, that's probably because all those Captialists are taking such lionshares that it totally skews the data. After all, less than 2% of Malaysians live on less than $1.90 a day-- Oh. Wait.
databank.worldbank.org/data/do…
Ok, so Malaysia's not in such a dire state. But I bet the 2008 crash has crippled the nation and it's GDP is in the dump because Wall Street swines have eaten all the pearls. But I would be lying, because Malaysia's GDP growth is between 2.0 and 3.9%, which isn't phenomenal but it's better than Venezuela's (0.0-1.9%).
databank.worldbank.org/data/do…
And hey, since between 60-79% of Malaysians have access to the internet, maybe you can fact-check the bullshit spewing from you mouth!
databank.worldbank.org/data/do…
But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt nonetheless. I'll assume that you just said the first country that popped in your head when you thought "Slave Wage Hellhole". Just keep in mind that world poverty is vanishing at an increasing rate.
ourworldindata.org/extreme-pov…
In fact, if you don't mind, I think I'll just reward myself by watching the maturation of Capitalism into it's final form, just so I can keep on my toes when the jackboots crush my Bourgeois skull in.
worldpoverty.io/
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So World bank data is your source.... on the whole thing practically... LOL... Either you're the naivest motherfucker I've met or just being a troll.
First i'm going to explain something to you, dolt: My point about Malaysian Sweatshops was that, "working harder" is bullshit. Is working hard a good thing? Yes, working is something that should be done. Does it bring meaningful results or have a legitimate non-consumerist reason? No, no-one likes office work, everyone who works in capitalist countries only endures because otherwise they have no money and will starve, or get kicked out, even if their only job options are complete and utter shit, this is especially prevalent in South East Asia, Thai loli whores may be a meme, but a meme with a severe and outright immoral truth in it.
www.techinasia.com/malaysia-1-…
www.theworldcounts.com/counter…
Wage Slavery: a person wholly dependent on income from employment, typically employment of an arduous or menial nature.
A brief explanation, if you need it in detail ask: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_YMxx…
Next, Since you are going to argue economics then have at thee:
I'm going to use the most public and surface sources for this, because anything else will get you to start screaming about conspiracy theories and socialist bias.
According to the Asian development bank (link below) the Middle Class Income is a massive leap over a period of 4 decades. This is not bad but according to the data you provided and the data provided by the Asian developement bank, a rather small leap in terms of the world. In 40 years many countries had consolidated firm economies far better than Malaysia under the same or worse circumstances, South and North Korea, Japan, Vietnam).
www.adb.org/publications/malay…
According to a 1997 and 2004 UNHD and UNHDP study, "Malaysia has the highest income disparity between the rich and poor in Southeast Asia, greater than that of Philippines, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam and Indonesia."
web.archive.org/web/2006111403…
web.archive.org/web/2007082419…
www.aseanfocus.com/asiananalys…
The articles do mention improvement of around 2% poverty reduction, however as seen here, it is a relatively new change and can be considered a words only claim.
web.archive.org/web/2007072606…
The official study by the Malaysian government states that poverty is improving, something I take with a kilo of salt coming from such a corrupt government:
www.business-anti-corruption.c…
www.transparency.org/news/feat…
www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/2…
And that's ignoring its position on human rights: www.hrw.org/news/2014/01/21/ma…
"Malaysia did not use its membership in the United Nations Human Rights Council from 2010 to 2013 to improve its commitment to international human rights treaties and processes. Malaysia has only ratified four international human rights conventions to date – among the lowest in the region."
GDP growth is a near useless fucking measurement in terms of economic growth especially when used in comparisons. You're going to blow me off if I cite 'socialist' sources so here is a direct quote from the Mises Institute in all its Libertarian fucking glory,
"GDP purports to measure economic activity while largely divorcing itself from the quality, profitability, depth, breadth, improvement, advancement, and rationalization of goods and services provided. For example, even if a ship — built at great expense — cruised without passengers, fished without success, or ferried without cargo; it nevertheless contributed to GDP. Profitable for investors or stranded in the sand; it added to GDP. Plying the seas or rusting into an orange honeycomb shell; the nation’s GDP grew." - mises.org/library/how-gdp-metr…
I may not agree with libertarians on many things and I have arguments with some of the articles premises, the base idea is true. GDP does have its uses but is an asinine measuring stick for growth.
projectcensored.org/11-gdp-is-…
A middle-income is also meaningless, what you can buy with said income is important.
Czechoslovakia for example 2000 Kcs was equivalent to 500$ (roughly) due to skewed exchange rate. The average worker in CSSR earned between 1500-2500 Kcs per month.
However things, for example groceries, cost around 1-10 Kcs per item. The average shopping bill was around 50 Kcs. meaning that even Czechoslovakia's demoted currency could provide for all that was wanted inside its borders for very little money. This is for the same items a US household would buy, with the rare exclusions being tropical fruit, which was hard to acquire due to most of it coming from capitalist countries who were not inclined to trade with the USSR, especially under pressure from the USA, (Guatemala anyone?)
However neither you nor the above sources (mine and yours) take into account two very important factors applying to capitalist economies that takes their purported high economic numbers and ratings down a few notches.
1) 'Marshall Plans': The official Marshal Plan after WW 2 was created and implemented originally in Europe only, creating de facto vassal states in most of Western Europe to consolidate NATO. This very same tactic was used in Indonasia, South Korea, Japan and in South Vietnam. This is ignoring the outirhgt fact that Malaysia was a British colony until the later half of the 20th century and continued to be close to Western governments (and thus received massive support).
www.globalresearch.ca/americas…
web.archive.org/web/2009012213…
www.globalresearch.ca/imperial…
markcurtis.info/2007/02/13/the…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3isOX2…
This is very visible even today: www.freemalaysiatoday.com/cate…
2) Sabotage and indirect economic warfare. Your very reference to Venezuala shows how clueless you are to this.
Venezuala isn't socialist (as you are no doubt implying), and its worsening conditions is actually caused by capitalism and outside interference by international corporations:
www.youtube.com/watch?v 
appnationconference.com/video/…
www.telesurtv.net/english/opin…
www.pastemagazine.com/articles…
www.telesurtv.net/english/news…
Despite this Venezuala remains in far better condition than it was prior to Chavez, but hey, lets just hold all countries to the same economic standards while ignoring socio-political aspects... just fucking brilliant.
www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_co…
factsanddetails.com/southeast-…
A list of attempts over regime change by the CIA, feel free to check them: williamblum.org/essays/read/ov…
Inb4 you say, "but that's not REAL capitalism", the USA is just behaving like a big corporation and thus pushing/buying out smaller corporations, but just like modern monopolies don't fully integrate to avoid criticism, the same goes for this, instead leaving it as a vassal state.
This is all assuming your World Bank Data is true, now as to its reliability here are some samples:
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/wor…
jasoncollins.blog/2016/07/25/b…
I mentioned how other Asian countries of similar starting points grew faster than Malaysia in 40 years, well here's icing on the cake, guess what country achieved MUCH higher results in 1/4 of the time despite having a similar socio-economic basis but during a time when technology and communications were even less developed then they are when Malaysia made its leap... the USSR.
In a decade the country went from an industrial production of 12% of the US, to a country with 80% of the production of the USA, and 85% of the agricultural production. And then after a devastating war where 1/5 of the country had been demolished by the Nazis, they restored and exceeded that.
- Monetarily the USSR was inherently stable and had a currency more valuable than the dollar, (1.15 dollars over the Cold War)
- Employment was guaranteed, trade unions had the power to veto firings and recall managers and injured workers had job guarantees and sick pay as well as maternity leave
- Free education for all, including higher education (university). And the 10 grade system was in many ways more efficient than the US 12 grade system. The soviet's concerted effort to bring literacy to the more backwards areas of Russia brought literacy to nearly 100%. In 1983, the United States Commission on Excellence in Education published A Nation at Risk: The Imperative for Education Reform, in which it said that in regards to education, Americans were falling behind Russia. It is self evident that education significantly dropped in the USSR after capitalist reform (starting in 1986).
www.ibe.unesco.org/fileadmin/u…
www.intellectualtakeout.org/bl…
www.socialstudies.org/sites/de…
plus.google.com/u/0/+JackPoiso…
"Before the Revolution,76% of the people were illiterate, including 88%of the women. Virtually complete illiteracy prevailed among the indigenous populations of Siberia and Soviet Central Asia. Indeed, more than 40 languages had not been reduced to writing at all. Prior to the revolution, only 290,000 Russians possessed any kind of higher education, whereas the 1959 census reported that more than 13 Million citizens had some higher or specialized secondary education, and more than 45 million people had 7-10 years of education....Raising the literacy rate from 24% to 98.5% within the span of a single generation for more than 200 million people would be an achievement in itself if only one language were involved, to say nothing of the severe problems posed by a multilingual society....
To detail the massive character of the Soviet educational effort in Central Asia, the Uzbek Republic, which is the most advanced of the Central Asian areas today, as it was in pre-Revolutionary Russia, provides an apt illustration. Before the Revolution, only 2% of the population was literate. There were no native engineers, doctors, or teachers with a higher education. In short, Central Asia was no different in this respect from most of the colonial dependencies of the European powers, and worse off than many.
Today, in the Uzbek Republic alone, there are 32 institutions of higher learning, more than 100 technicums, 50 special technical schools, 12 teachers' colleges, and 1400 kindergartens. Nearly 2,500,000 children attend school, and more than 50% of its teachers have had some higher education...The rate of literacy is over 95%. The Republic before the Revolution possessed no public libraries: today there are nearly 5,000. The number of books printed in the Uzbek language in 1913 was 118,000;today it approaches 19 million. When this record is compared with that of Iran, Afghanistan, the Arab countries, the states of Southeast Asia, or even Turkey, all of which were at a comparable or more advanced level of educational attainment in 1914, the achievement is impressive..."
Vernon V. Aspaturian
Modern Political Systems: Europe
- Free healthcare for all and about twice as many doctors as the USA (and that isn't even counting the countless medical innovations of the USSR:
"Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.
This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life." (Soviet Constitution, 1936)
Heart-lung transplant, lung transplant, kidney transplant, MRI, Radiological Keratomy, Cadaveric blood-transfusion, blood bank, artificial heart, Gramacidin S, Anthropometric cosmetology, Ilizarov Apparatus, Oxygen cocktail, Excimer laser (can be used as an eye surgery tool), EHF-therapy, experiments in head transplantation, etc.
- State regulated and subsidized food prices; State subsidies kept the price of books, magazines, periodicals, food etc. down
- No segregated housing by income existed (Though sometimes Party members lived in nicer areas). Housing was given for free, if you waited in a line, and in the meantime, apartments were given, (their limited amounts creating communals, the reason being the lack during Czarist Russia and WW 2 destroying almost all that had been built during the 20s and 30) OR if you wanted to get it sooner, you paid a 100 rubles annual fee for a few years (equivalent to a mortgage).
- Excellent public transport: In the USA we can have 1 inch of snow and the trains already have problems arriving and often are an HOUR late, I know from PERSONAL experience. I have never heard a complaint about late trains in the soviet bloc and I have read much and met many. Also the soviet train system was and is still considered one of the worlds best.
CIA Study on the Soviet Economy
According to a CIA report, the Soviet economy
“grew at an average annual rate of 4.6 percent from 1950 through 1981”, noting that “during the same period, U.S. GNP increased by 3.4% per year.”
What has happened, says the CIA, is that the rate of growth of the Soviet economy has slowed down to roughly two percent in the past three years. This drop in the rate of growth– largely due to four consecutive years of extremely unfavorable weather conditions which led to poor harvests – is what has been seized upon by some as evidence of Soviet socialism’s final downturn.
The report also notes that the Soviet economy is the second largest in the world and that its GNP quadrupled over the past 30 years, attaining an output valued at $ 1.6 trillion in 1982. Industrial output during this period went up 700 percent while the value of fixed capital – buildings, machinery, equipment, etc. – increased by 11 percent.
A basic strength of the Soviet economy, according to the CIA, is its ‘self-sufficiency’–important given the Reagan administration’s plan of waging economic warfare against the USSR
The report points out; the Soviet Union is richly endowed with an abundance of natural resources– enough coal for 200 years, iron ore reserves; 40 percent of the world’s total, one-fifth the world’s forest resources, and the world’s largest reserves of strategic and precious metals. And with a large and highly educated labor force–estimated at 147 million–the CIA asserts that
“the ability of the Soviet economy to remain viable in the absence of imports is much greater than that of most, possibly all, other industrialized economies.”
C.I.A. SAYS SOVIET CAN ALMOST DO WITHOUT IMPORTS
C.I.A. SAYS SOVIET CAN ALMOST DO WITHOUT IMPORTS (original print-scan)
Soviet Ability to progress without imports
The CIA report is a remarkable admission of the basic health and stability of the Soviet economy, it should also be kept in mind that the study downplays Soviet strength. As the New York Times pointed out, the agency’s
“estimates are far below those claimed in Moscow’s raw statistics and significantly lower than those calculated by leading American scholars in the past.”
Assessing Soviet Economic Performance during the Cold War: A Failure of Intelligence?
Stanford has contested the CIA’s report, (sourced directly above), however in response to its assertions I present this amalgamation of sources, glean from it what you will.
Library Genesis: Robert C. Allen
gowans.wordpress.com/2012/12/2…
Триумф советского экспорта
SOVIET AGRICULTURE: A CRITIQUE OF THE MYTHS CONSTRUCTED BY WESTERN CRITICS
Soviet kolkhoz production compared to US agriculture
I DROVE THROUGH RUSSIA (Jan, 1958)
Stalin's Industrialization:
Сталинская индустриализация: не догнать и не перегнать.
According to the UN FAO the Soviets were consuming more calories than the Americans right almost until the end of the Soviet Union.
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*Sees length of reply*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPJ9J…
Yeah, I'm not interested enough to turn this into something beyond internet shit-flinging. I'll give you the fake internet points on this, so have fun with your revolution.
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You know what they say, out of sight, out of mind.
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Why should they? Hard to see us fro ma private jet.
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The problem with commies is they never acknowledge the fact that those "on top" started at the bottom.
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HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA...
you kidding, right?
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If you think I am, feel free to wish for a factory of your own before you go to bed tonight.
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SOME of the those started at the bottom. But most are not.
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Is this based off of something Martin Luther King Jr. once said?
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Damn straight.
Although as a conspiracy theorist, I have an explanation for why this this, if anyone wants to know.
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I'll listen. I might not believe it, but I tell myself to keep an open mind.
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