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Funny how the people who made the tools and techniques the "men who built the world" are using in this picture are are included among the "1%".
"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions β and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth."
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In modern Russia workers are much well educated than businessmen.
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Yeah because all workers unthinking brutes, who need master to tell them what to do.
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Considering how little the value of the mind is recognized in many jobs and whatnot by you and those like you, you might as well consider them that.
And wasn't it your dear, dear Lenin who coined the term "useful idiots"?
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Aside from the Texas GOP I can't think of a group/job where intelligence isn't valued and used on some level and seeing as I have stated many times that education is important you can't say I don't value it.
No where in Lenin's works is the term useful idiots used, the first use of it doesn't apper until almost 30 years after his death. besides, what does this have to do with subject of this poster?
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"Aside from the Texas GOP I can't think of a group/job where intelligence isn't valued and used on some level and seeing as I have stated many times that education is important you can't say I don't value it."
Then why do you lift the workers on a pedestal while ignoring those who made their work possible in the first place, denouncing them as the "1%"?
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Just because your rich doesn't mean your smart, kim kardashia, Paris Hilton, George Bush comes to mind.
By the Way, Labour creates wealth, not the other way round.
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Can labor, without intelligence, create electricity, or cars, or grow crops? Was it muscles or the mind that made such things possible?
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Once again workers aren't mindless beasts, they don't just hit things in a pit all day long, they build the dynamos, operate machinery and plant the crops, working and thinking aren't separate.
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Yes that is true comrade not the one percent we must fight all about but to live equally and have a good life. WE can outnumbered them who is against our greatest will to live in a socialist world!.
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I'd love to tweet this image/page. Please let me know if that's okay.
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Who started the factories and made the jobs and founded everything that the workers use?
I only know that it ain't the workers.
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Workers can still build things without some billionaire's help.
Billionaires can't build anything without workers.
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Yea you might think so but no.
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I just saw a bunch of Amishmen building a barn the other day. Try as I might, I could not spy any billionaires in the area.
According to you, without billionaires to tell them what to do, people will just sit around and twiddle their thumbs until they starve. How do you think things got done before there were corporations?
Bah, you're nothing but a troll. I see no point in wasting more time on you.
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If I could this comment I would.
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Quote from your profile - I am a Marxist leninist Revolutionary Internationalist who thinks there must be a better way than capitalism.
I have yet to see a thriving country with a Marxist Revolutionary in charge where the common man doesn't get screwed over.
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the "99%" may work to build this country, but the "1%" gave them the jobs to work.
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...because the 99% created the infrastructure of employment to begin with! If there were noone to hire, the concept of employment wouldn't exist at all and the 1% wouldn't be the 1%. So, we gave them everything they have.
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How much sense does it make to be a highly-skilled plumber worth $20 an hour if there's no one to hire you?
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honestly, it's just a huge circle.
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Well that was the most impressive form of logic gymnastics that I've ever seen. Congrats!
But your still wrong.
Lets say that is true and workers make everything. But if they were to come up with an idea, they wouldn't have any way or knowledge on how to get it off the ground, where to find the capital needed for it or how to get it across to the people. The 1%, on the other hand, do, and they help out the worker in exchange for a stake in the idea.
Even if the worker made the road, it was the fat cat that came up with it in the first place.
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But why do you assume they wouldn't? Roads pre-date fat cats/capitalism. How do you think they were built originally? People built them for their own need as a community for the purposes of transporting goods. Roads were engineered and built for the good of all, the need for them isn't down to the ingenuity of some fat cat.
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I'm a Syndicalist.
And I will say you have a fundamentally wrong view of human nature.
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Were not talking about roads, dingus, were talking about workers and how they need the rich.
Also, since were talking about roads, Romans put roads down for their army and American Pioneers put down roads to make a buck.
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I know, but it's the analogy you used, and it's wrong. Roads pre-date even the Romans and slavery though; the first road still-extant road constructed in England was built in 5000BC before modern civilization. Similarly, there are roads built and used for thousands of years by American natives which were used by the European settlers.
I think you're missing my entire point; the reason that workers "need" to have jobs created for them is because of how our class system works, not out of any inherent weakness on the part of the majority.
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So then who makes the jobs? Who provides the money for the equipment, the payrolls and everything else? The rich. What your saying is that the fate of the rich should be in the hands of the workers when the fate of the rich should stay in the rich. Individual choice and all that stuff.
Also, we don't live in a class system. There is free movement between the different areas of life. If you want a class system, go to India, dingus.
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Lets try a different perspective, have you ever noticed how ants work in a colony? Ants hold no sense of reward, everything they do is to ensure the survival of the group. If you think about it ants are the ultimate communists and at the same time they are a part of a system with no real higher or lower classes, they all play an important role, in this aspect ants far surpass humans. Their is no 1% or 99% with ants, only the group and ensuring its survival.
Now after that lovely philosophical view on ants lets look back at the 1%, the 1% holds no more importance than funding, they do not hold the skills that the 99% have. In regard to this fact most job creators are not wealthy enough to fit in the 1%, so the 1% could die off and easily be replaced. This however cannot be said for the 99%.
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And yet without that one ant the colony is worthless, as without it there is no point. Or, in terms you'll understand, without the 1% the 99% have nothing to do. And then they waste away.
Without that one ant, everything falls apart.
So, are you going to give in, or will this 'beating' continue?
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You mean the queen? No, if she dies she can easily be replaced just like the 1%. No one ant in the colony is more important than the rest. They all play an equally important role and that is what you don't seem to realize. Every ant that dies regardless of role can and will be replaced by another ant. The difference here is you think 99% could not function without the 1% but that is not true, the 1% can be replaced over and over again but you can't say the same for the entire 99% can you? As I have said before most job creators are not wealthy enough to fit in the 1% so the 1% are not nearly as important as you seem to believe.
So now I'll ask you, are you willing to concede or do you want this beating to continue?
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Odd. I seem to remember that if there is no queen in the beginning, there can be no colony. Kinda like a entrepreneur and his business, until the gubermint steps in and makes things 'equal' and 'fair'.
So since we're all into ants now, I guess you would have yourself as the leader?
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Like I said all ants serve a purpose however when the queen dies, she is replaced. You couldn't say the same if the rest of the colony all dies off in the same instant. Stop trying to make the government the enemy, it was made of the people, by the people, and for the people. To quote Thomas Jefferson, βThe purpose of government is to enable the people of a nation to live in safety and happiness. Government exists for the interests of the governed, not for the governors.β And if a majority of the people want things equal then the government must answer.
No, their is no real leader among ants. This is another quality that separates and makes them superior to humans.
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Wow. are you real that dumb, to use a Jefferson quote without even bothering to do a 30-second internet search. You want to pull out the founders, lets pull out the founders.
Thomas Jefferson:
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Benjamin Franklin:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.
George Washington:
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
And about your precious ants, well, they've never gone to the moon.
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Great another paranoid government hating and rich loving conservative. Our founding fathers are obviously not familiar with fascism after all if government is evil and they are elected by the people then by your standards the people are not to be trusted. So who makes the important decisions? No one because according to you the people are the problem.
You missed the point of the ants entirely.
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Okay, so first off, if you want to bring people over to your side, don't make generalizations about them when you've never met them before.
Second, thanks for falling back to the standard lib/prog response in that I like the rich and want to eat babies and kill the poor, it just proves my theory about your kind and its inability to debate someone without having to insult them.
Finally, the Founding Fathers trusted people, not government, with rights, which flies in your face of thinking. Finally, how about you put down the Marx and the Lenin and pick up some Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and learn about them. Your mind might actually grow some.
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Except it's true, you distrust government and favour the rich which just so happens to be the philosophies associated with modern day conservatives. Like you know how to debate? You are not even aware that ants do not have an actual leader. If you studied them you might actually know that.
You quoted the founders saying to distrust government but this government is founded of, by, and for the people so why would you even bring it up? On top of that I have studied the founders, its funny how George Washington who helped add in that "all men were created equally under god" owned slaves until the day he died. Thomas Jefferson (who was also a slave owner) said that our government was founded of, by, and for the people and yet he speaks out against it. Your founding fathers were hypocrites. Maybe if you studied them then you would know that!
You don't have to like the idea of everyone being truly equal in a country but when you say that the entire country is dependant upon the 1% and disregard the 99% then you are putting down the majority of the country.
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First off, you can't get over the 'rich' part, which I haven't said anything about, thus proving my point about yourself. Second, ants do have a leader. The Queen. If you ACTUALLY STUDIED THINGS you would know this. Third, I'm fairly certain the Washington would gladly lead a revolt against this government we have today and he would TRUST THE PEOPLE with the results. Finally, Washington had all of his slaves set free upon his death. If you had done your homework, you would know this.
So please, for the love of god, put down Mao's Little Red Book and pick up something by the founders, you ignorant bobo.
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When you say that the 99% percent cannot have jobs without the 1% (the rich) you are implying that somehow the 1% are more important even though you are wrong. [link] You don't seem to realize that most job creators are not wealthy enough to be in the 1%.
The queen ant has very little control over the colony as a whole. She has no known authority or decision-making control; instead her sole function is to reproduce. It's nice to know that you still are so profoundly uneducated.
He still owned slaves since he was 11 and even signed in the Fugitive slave law. Yeah your forefathers are hypocrites, George especially.
I never said I was communist so perhaps you should take your own advice "don't make generalizations about them when you've never met them before", I am stating that everyone should be equal in society (not with wealth but status) but I guess that would be too much for you to bear. When you say that any group is superior to another group you are putting people down and those were the type of ideologies that 53% percent of Americans have voted against in the recent election.
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You know what, screw this. You clearly can't learn, much less look outside of your 'box', so why should I bother debating anything with a fool who refuses to learn anything.
Don't bother me again unless you want to be reported.
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Considering you've been wrong about must of what you've said, I just refuse learn what you attempt to teach me.
Please, by all means, report me.
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How are the rich able to make jobs? Because they are operating under a system which privileges their ability to make jobs, there is a vast labour force whose entire livelihood depends on being employed by them. What i'm saying is that people's fate should not depend on the whims of this system, which privileges a tiny elite group in society. That is inherently unfair and oppressive.
You have a class system. Every country in the world does. What you're referring to is a CASTE system which is something entirely unrelated to economics.
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They invest the money needed to get ideas off the ground, they invest it into the company that makes the idea possible out of a desire to make more profits...and sometimes, they're even the person who came up with the idea in the first place (Bill Gates).
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But it would only ever be an abstract idea if millions upon millions of ordinary working people weren't there to create the infrastructure to put such ideas into practice.
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Take a genius business innovator and dump them on a desert island without any social infrastructure to speak of and see how rich they get.
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But those millions and millions of people wouldn't have jobs if people didn't come up with the idea and had the willingness to take the risk to make it possible, including investing their money in those workers. As a wise man once said, it makes little sense to be a highly-skilled plumber worth $20 an hour if there's no one to hire you.
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You're arguing in circles. Jobs come from a market, which is created and sustained by an enormous labour force, who create all the wealth to begin with. Investment can only even begin to exist off the backs of an existing working population. Money would be nothing more than an imaginary idea if it had no workforce to give it value in the first place.
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