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Pencils by Stan Tanaka, inks and colours by me
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Β I hate all the hatred the world has against Zack's vertion of Superman.
Clark / Kal is not perfect. Henry's vertion of Superman is more human than any other Superman in the world - and irronisk enough hated by people for being too human.
The world loves Batman on an almost grotesque way - not because he is human - but because we see ourselves as more powerful than the gods, magic and everything else and we do not want to believe that something good could come from another race.
And ironically, Batman is in fact not very human. = He was born as an incredibly rich man who does not focus on much more than his own revenge and fΓΈelse of superiority over all others.
(Do not not get me wrong, Batman is a great hero, but he is also too overrated.)Β Β
In our real world, we hate Superman, because he had just come from another world.
And we also fear Superman, because the universe is so big.
So the possibility that there may well exist a people who are us humans utterly superior, is actually very realistic.Β Β
Yet Superman is not a tyrant who looks down on us humans.
In the legend of King Arthus, there is a scene where the sorcerer Merlin visiting The Lady Of the Lake and says he is unhappy for the mistakes he committed in his life. And she answer:
"It is human two make mistakes Merlin, and a part of you is human. The best part."
I think the comparison, better than any other, tells of Superman's real value. As a god, who is also a human being.Β Β
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No offense, buddy, but your argument isn't justified to what Zack did to the character. It wouldn't hurt to just smile every once in a while. Superman represents hope. In Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman, he was always whining and complaining about being a superhero. In Man of Steel, he was too emo, and in Batman vs Superman, he was just a dick. Zack ruined the character completely. At least in the opening in Batman vs Superman, we can actually feel for Bruce after he lost his parents. We can see him loose his humanity because of how much he had lost due to what crime had done to him. He tried to give crime a chance. He tried to never cross his line. He tried to do things by the book. But crime took away his parents, friends and partners. Of course we, as human, would also feel the idea of loosing our humanities if all we do is give second chances, which result in everyone you ever loved and cared about getting hurt or killed. Sure, we aren't all billionaires so we can't picture ourselves as Bruce Wayne, a normal human, but the idea of his personality slipping away and what he would fight for is what makes Batman human. Superman didn't need to get cocky with his powers. Also, I will admit that a little depression is okay. The entire world does hate him after all. But sometimes a little smile wouldn't hurt. The Superman I grew up with always fought beings more powerful than him, but a smile always gave him hope that even though our enemies are stronger, hope can always give us the determination to beat them. Cavill is a perfect casting, just as Ben Affleck is, but his character is just so bad.
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Zacks Superman version is brilliant because the version of Superman is reflect a person who is biologically a god, but who grew up between the people and do not want to be a god.
Superman's life choices are in hard contrast to how all other Aliens, Amazons, Atalatians, gods and demigods behave.
And of how people even regard us as gods.
VI people are a people who since we emerged, we have tried to eradicate and destroyer ourselves - directly or indirectly.
It's just now - that we finally have the technology to get the job done.
Because that's how we are as people. We are violent, pitiful, full of anger and we see ourselves as gods on earth.
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Almost all religions say: Man is created in God's image. Therefore, we are gods on earth.
Almost all science says: We are the most unique creature and therefore created to rule the world.
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Superman can not pretend he is superior because it is he already. But the only thing he wants is to be a man and live among people.
Superman owe NOTHING to mankind, directly or indirectly tried to destroy and kill hem in Man of Steel and the BvS.
Superman's only reward for his love and faithfulness to the ground, was to become a figure of controversy and then just die for a world that nothing gave him and which he owed nothing.
Superman is the emigrant from star vessels that did not get a chance to earth because we, the people will never accept him.
Superman is not a dick as you say.
Zacks superman reflects our world of what our world is. Not a sugared fantasy of how we want it to be.
MoS and the BvS are hated because they force people to think deeply. And because they reflect people's negative and destructive nature.
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If you say he is the best Superman ever, then why doesn't he smile?
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He smiles and shows love with Louis. He smiled when he came home to Martha in Man Of Steel.
He smiled at Perry and Louis at the end of Man Of Steel.
He smiled and showed Louis, that he loved her in the bathtub scene. He gave Louis a smile and said he loved her before he gave his life to save the world from Doomsday.
If Superman smiled as he walked into the Capitol building would seem arrogant and could scare many people.
Instead of sending a smile that could be misinterpreted, he stands in the House and let others speak first. He did not come to preach his opinion, but to listen and talk.
But he never got the chance because of Lex.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH_s28β¦
08:00 Watch.Β
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While I've personally only seen a few clips and Nostalgia Critic's review of Man of Steel, what I have heard from either side of the debate less rings "This side is right" and more Zack's interpretation exploring a very different aspect to the character than previous versions. This normally wouldn't be a problem, but this director's version is SO different that it, at first, seems to have missed the point of Superman.
Most interpretations go off Superman's typically black-and-white paragon morality. Usually the conflict either comes from Superman playing pure good in a world where that is extremely difficult to do, but he's SUPERMAN so he tries to do it anyways(with often mixed results), or Superman buying too much into his own press and believing he can do no wrong(because he is THE good guy) only to cross the line(see the plot of the Injustice video game for the most recent example). The constant is that in most versions superman's alien lineage is either ignored or accepted and superman's priority is being his definition of "The good guy". He certainly has a personal life as Clark Kent, but it's not "the life he wants"; it's just another part of the life he already has.
That, of course, is stark contrast to Zack's gritty approach which, as you said, puts emphasis on how people would be suspicious of some guy from another planet with crazy powers; and how that guy, because of his human upbringing and how the world responds to him, may not want the responsibility of being a hero.
I suppose the big difference is that most versions ask "How does a crazy powerful paragon of good act in a world where good can be hard to define?" While MoS and SVB ask "What if the most powerful man on earth doesn't want to play 'heroes and villains' but no one will leave him alone?" All the fan drama comes from Zack changing Superman's archetypal base from paragon to antihero.
Zack's movies took Superman in the exact opposite direction almost every previous medium took the character, and while I still think I prefer paragon Superman, the antihero approach definitely has its own merits.
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The point is that Superman does not owe mankind anything. We are the ones who destroyes the only world we will ever have.Β
And we would also kill him at the first chance, only if we could.Β
And by the way, I think Superman did the RIGHT thing in Injustice, when he took power over the world.Β
See...Β
Β In a way, I actually think SUperman was right to take power..
Even Batman doubts at times whether Superman and Wonder Woman now also really do the wrong, by taking control to fight evil. They do not attack religions or politics, but exterminate oppression of women in the Middle East, liberate homosexuals, stop insane civil wars and remove every power of mad dictatorship in the world.
(It is also very interesting that Wonder Woman's mother Queen Hippolyta agrees with Superman's decision and supports both him and her daughter in their choice of power to secure the world. For Queen Hippolyra is an impoverished Amazon that does not believe in humanity because of their violent groaning and oppression of women.
So maybe such an old and clever person might be a better judge to assess what's best for everyone, not Batman.
In addition, it is quite strange that there are no more people who support Superman in his decision. I mean, see what happened to Metropolis! 11000000. People slaughtered in 1 attack from a psychopath that Batman and Gordon could never stop. And who, along with a sea of ββother killers, constantly resigned from Arkham Asylum.
(And then there's the big question about power) Darkseid is as powerful as Superman. Darkseid is a monster, yes. But he has chosen to use his power to shape his world. Superman chose only to help and never shape his world. But because of it, dead people, wars continued, hate spread, lesbians and gays were persecuted and racism continued. And the people continued to slowly destroy the world. So the Superman dictates the whole fate of The Earth. In one way or another. Now he just takes control, and so people fight for their right to kill each other. So yes ... I would say that people and especially Batwoman = a lesbian - are hypocrite. Because she is fighting a man who rescues homosexuals from being oppressed and persecuted.
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In addition, Batman is no longer particularly moral. Even Lex Luthor says that Batman's methods are without honor and that they do not differ much from Superman's philosophy, because neither Batman nor Superman are 'good' people anymore. I mean look at what bats did in year 3 and 4. He poisoned Diana and Clark so they ended up in eternal coma - which is the same as killing them, even more pitifully. In year 3He brought the Greek Gods in to beat supes and because of that just put in another dictator. Remember when zeus shot lightning at every major religieus institute? How many people did that kill? Some may say it wasn't his fault and he was tricked by Ares but Batman still allowed it. He himself knew Ares wasn't to be trusted and he went along with it anyway just to get to supes. Batman's superpower is being the smartest guy in the room, how smart was it to enlist the help of historically most infamous divine dictators (Ares) as back up agaisnt superman, or worse put faith in one of them most Untrustworthy number? Talk about taking a bad situation and putting somthing worse in it's place.
Il say it again both Batman and Superman have crossed the line here. ----------------------------
But the Superman is perhaps the one that is most logical because the DC universe is not a universe where humans can survive alone because of monsters like, Joker, Darkseid, Trigon, Ares, Braniac and countless other butchers that never stop.
So what is most important?
Is it life - that we survive, but without justice = Superman.
Or is it justice - millions die, but we think that's right = Batman.
Because survival is real. Justice is relative.ο»Ώ
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Well, that's pessimistic and cynical. Does Superman owe humanity anything? No, but heroes don't do things out of some sense of being indebted to society(or at least, not ones like superman).
Peter Parker is Spiderman because he believes "with great power comes great responsibility." He doesn't owe anyone, he just thinks being a hero is what someone with power should do.
Bruce Wayne certainly doesn't owe anyone anything, but he becomes Batman anyway. Why? Because his parents were killed in front of him and he doesn't want anyone else to go through that.
Even Clark Kent isn't classic Superman because he owes the world anything. He was just raised to be a good person and was like "I have super speed, super strength, x ray vision, ice breath and laser eyes. I could be one heck of a hero."
As for people rebelling "for their right to kill each other," that's not at all why people disliked the regime. People turned against the regime because Superman was clearly unstable and the regime lead through fear. Fear doesn't make people sit still, or at least not as long as they think they can do something to get rid of whatever's scaring them. I'd say several super beings lead by freaking Batman opposing a suddenly scary Superman certainly suggests that there's a chance. Is Batman still the good guy? Maybe, maybe not, but he doesn't have any plans to take over. Just dismantle the regime and let the world go back to the equally imperfect but more free status quo it had before Joker nuked Metropolis(or at least as close as possible).
Should god-like heroes do everything they can to make the world a safe and peaceful place? Yes, if they want to be the best heroes they can be, absolutely; but one of the big struggles with making the world a better place is that the long lasting solutions also take a long time to instate. In our world for example, equal rights took two centuries to get to where we are now, and we're still working on it.
As for survival vs. justice, that only works as long as the demigod heroes aren't acting as a defense for humanity(which in super hero media they are). Once the godlike heroes have a system for combating threats to humanity(oh, hello, JLA) survival isn't something you have to choose; It's a given. Having less powerful members fulfill justice alongside normal law enforcement while the more godlike fighters cover survival with various militaries neatly provides both without any oppressive regime(kinda like the hero organization in One Punch Man).
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Batman always wins, no matter who he is fighting!
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Please Draw superman with his kriptonian Battle armor too,just for argument sake.
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Eh I'll take a few trips to the dentist over being injected with liquid poison.
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Awesome collaberation, looks very professional!
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That needle must be really sharp to pierce Superman skin
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Well if the needle is made of kryptonite itself... >u>
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hehehe maybe XD but how do you make a needle out of a rock? XD
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Kryptonite is more of a gem from what I can tell, and even if it were just a rock, it's not that hard to carve and shape rocks to your preference. Β Especially if you have labs and vast technology to your disposal. Β Lasers dude, they shape things.
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hehe yeah but still wouldnt be a lot easier to just make something like a Kryptonite spear or something?
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I would initially agree but what's more deadly overall, being stabbed by a 'poison' dagger or being injected with said poison? Β
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Well it depends... if you get stabbed in the heart with a poisonous spear its most likely that you will die faster than being injected with that same poison 
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I guess it all comes down to the situation and what Batman can manage to accomplish. Β :3
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hehehe yeah you are right
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Epic, can you just draw...i dunno...everything.....cos that would be cool....
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Great work! I honestly think Batman can beat Superman without kryptonite but thats beside the point.Β
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unless he gets aquamans trident
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Stunning as always! I adore how much your illustrations have movement in them!
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Message of the movie. Want to beat someone tougher then you? Just drug him kids! Love the details on Superman's clothing here
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The appeal of Batman facing Superman is not that he would win - no reasonable comic fan would agree to that when fully comparing both heroes' capabilities. The true appeal of Batman facing Superman is that Batman would lose against Superman, but if push comes to shove and he has to make his stand, he will face the impossible and plan for it. THAT is the true face of heroism.
Superman is the transcendent ideal of perfection that Humanity wishes to be. Batman is the symbol what ordinary Humanity is capable of achieving if they are willing to work and train to be.Β
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I'm not a big DC guy, they've great stories, but I never found interest. I don't really like pitting two heroes against each other, saying who would win. Not my thing. So with all this talk of Batman vs Superman I've been sitting here apathetic and indifferent. You sir have changed my mind. I understand better now why people would want to see that fight. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
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