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Fascinated by the cold since a young age, Zoey knew since she was a child that she wanted to become a scientist so she could study liquid nitrogen, dry ice and other such chemicals for a living. Developing the will and dedication needed to study, she eventually reached her goal and had started a serious relationship with Janine Odonic. Her studies eventually lead to her learning of the Gods, the Demons and the Elements they created and maintain and once she knew of the "Ice Gems" existence, Zoey knew she needed it to see what it could teach her about the cold. However she didn't know the gem held the essence of the Demon that made it, until she had stole the stone from Snow and got possessed by it. Were it not for the Demon's rage from being held by Snow and trapped in the ice with her for over 500 years, preventing it from possessing others, Zoey's intelligence and willpower would have easily tamed the creature, allowing her to siphon off a portion of it's power. Instead the rage made the being far to strong for mortal to any overcome. The Demon's rage meant the "Savant's Madness" was stronger than usual and Zoey watched as her life crumbed around her because of it. Much like the Demon, she blamed Snow for it, believing she allowed Zoey to take the gem so she could ruin her life. The Demon's whispers about tormenting, breaking and eventually destroying Snow sounded more and more pleasing to Zoey's ear and she soon began her studies on ice again, trying to see what the chemicals could do to her newly acquired powers.Pose and Anatomy - In general I'm happy with how this pose came out. However there are a few anatomy issues that I only noticed when I had finished the lines or colouring. For starters I have a feeling the head may be a touch too big when compared to the rest of the body. This may be due more to the hair (which I'll cover in a bit) but I do feel it's around the same size as the torso and as someone who's not a big fan of the chibi/large head, small body approach it is annoying.
I also feel there are issues with both arms. The stage left forearm curves out towards the wrist instead of in, almost giving it a Popeye style approach while the stage right forearm looks short when compared to the bicep and there is no obvious elbow. I felt the arms on the traditional piece with either too long (stage left) or had a similar, "Popeye" problem (stage right) so I chose to ignore both and do "new, fresh" arms. Sadly it wasn't until I came to colouring that I realised the issues and by that point, it was too late; my deadline (30th of September) was fast approaching and I still needed time to colour. I also feel the breasts are a touch wonky, with the stage left one looking bigger than the stage right one. You could argue that it may be due to the fact the stage right arm is raised but I feel there should have been more of a balance. Again it was too late to fix it by the time I noticed the problem.
As for the hair, I really liked the more "flicked" hair style that kagato007 gave in the commissions he's done for me and after failing to include it in the previous Zoey picture, I was adamant it would be used here. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure about it; it doesn't feel like there's a "natural progression" from the flicks at the back (which I feel are the best) to the ones on the top of her head and down the side of her head.
The hands I'm kind of mixed on. Again, I sacrificed making them perfect so they were done and I could move on and I do feel they're far too small, especially the stage left one. However I do, oddly, like how they turned out, especially the stage left one. It is very loosely based off a similar one from Tutorial - Drawing Hands but I didn't follow half of the detail or steps that tutorial went through and more used it as a rough guide. That being said, I am planning to return to it in the future as I can see it being very useful.
Design and Colour Palette - Overall I do like how the design came out. Originally I wanted to make the top orange, as it's my favourite colour and I've yet to make an OC who's palette revolves around it. I noticed it was off on the traditional version, and professorwagstaff suggested it was clashing with her skin colour, so I decided to add in a design on the top that could be orange, while the rest of it was another colour, namely blue. I'll admit I'm mixed on how that works now it's finished; perhaps there should have been more orange detailing on the top. Speaking of, I did originally want the top to look vaguely like this one , but I'll admit I forgot to separate the turtle neck from her actual neck. The shoes are also a nod to Ryu's SF1 design, for anyone who's interested, and I made them the same shade as the belt as a nod to the "Kame Gi" from Dragon Ball; maybe Zoey should have had matching wrist bands? Finally I planned for the kama to have a more elaborate design but ultimately I couldn't come up with one in the time I had left.
The colour palette itself was originally going to be identical to the one on the scientist design, with the diamond being the same shade of orange as her tie, the top being the darker blue from her shirt, the belt and shoes being the lighter blue from her shirt and the trousers being the dark green. Sadly when I put all those colours on it they just didn't work the way I planned so I experimented a little. I wanted the orange to be the "main colour" so I Googled a few palettes and while some colours like the blue top and grey for the shoes and belt came from some palettes, but every shade of green and purple I tried from the various palettes just clashed with the top. I tried combining the differnet shades, Googled the blue top to find anything that worked but alas nothing. In the end I went with the brown used on the boots and belt in the Scientist pic and honest I think it worked, making for a nice counter and contrast to the brighter top.
All that being said, I am planning to commission toonartist to draw his take on "Martial Artist Zoey", so hopefully he can help me come up with some better ideas for the clothes, palette and design for the kamas.
Shading - On this pic I tried to add more "shapes" to the shading, instead of just drawing a line where I feel darkness would sit. I think it worked well in some places like the hair, top and trousers (although maybe not so much around the diamond), but I'll admit I feel into old habbits when it came the stage right side of the trousers and just covered everything in shadow. I also feel there may have been too much on the back of her head and it should have been more of a "curved streak" style approach, which I'll admit I initially went for but felt there would be more of a shadow back there as it was further from the light (which I envision being on the left). Again it is partly due to my wanting this finished before the deadline ("done is better than perfect" and all that), but I do think it's time I re-read some tutorials on shading to try and better understand it.
Credit to:
toonartist for drawing the original Zoey picture and helping me come up with the characterkagato007 for drawing two commissions, both of which helped me visualise her design and palette, as well as providing me with the martial artist trousers used here (albeit in a different colour)
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I really like her pose plus the design is also pretty nice too! Her tank top and pants really give her an athletic look as she's holding her weapons (I forgot what they were called... 
Just to be curious, what style of martial art does she practice?
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Thank you. I'm actually in the process of updating her design, partly as the top was similar to one a recently revived OC of mine has. I like giving my OCs different body types to suit their personality and abilities, so I wanted her to have a slim, athletic appearance. I'm glad you felt it worked.
No worries, they're called kama. I'll admit I cut the corner on their designs and didn't make them anything too complicated.
I'm not sure actually. She's still a newish OC of mine so she's not as fleshed out as other characters. I'd likely give her a mix of different styles.
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hi again :3
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compared to the last picture I commented on from you, you really did a significant better job here!
Her elbows and knees bend in the right direction, indicated by correctly pointing extended lines. Also liked how you added the few folds in her right pant leg.
Helps right away! And the pose is not easy but has many tricky spots.
I will say though that her legs are too short compared to her arms.
It's up to you what kind of manga style you're aiming for in regards to head proportion, but arms and legs need to be in proportion to one another.
I also like the way you shaded each major strand of hair separately. Again, gives more depth than in your previous pictures! As does the small line between her breasts that is slightly bents and so looks like flexible fabric because of it.
Proof that it's the small things that indeed instantly improve a picture.
And with how you succeeded in these basic skills, I think you can now start to pick out one thing you want to add more detail to.
a favorite of many is starting to give more details to the eyes (I'll just give you examples here of a possible next step) or the hair.
For both there are so many styles out there that you could draw inspiration from any to form the style which will be eventually your style.
Now this of course all depends on your personal preference so it's entirely up to you.
So as you can see, this was more of a 'progress report' since I've seen some previous art pieces from you, rather than the usual differentiated comment.
But I still think that it was helpful to you and as always, if you have questions, ask and I'll give you more in depth and extended answers :3
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I'm afraid you're a little mistaken about this piece, as the other one you commented on is newer. This was the piece I drew for September while the other was for October. That being said, I was unsure about the pose I wanted to do for that character as unlike Zoey she doesn't have a "warrior class".
I'm not really aiming for a "manga style", more "what happens when I put a pencil to paper", if that makes sense. That being said, the larger head was a mistake and not something I noticed until the piece was done. I also didn't realise how the legs were shorter than the arms until you mentioned it, but I can see what you mean now.
I often find with eyes, whenever I try and add a pupil the character looks like a wide eyed psychopath/the "Overly Obsessed Girlfriend" meme from a few years back, so I've tended to shy away from it and make the iris the main focus. I may look into a better way to add non-psychotic pupils so any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again for your comment.
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dang it, I thought I had checked the details but forgot the date ;-;
What helps with the eyes is making them half-lidded. a relaxed look, you know :3
that puts the pupil to the top and gives a half circles for the iris.
you could try that as well as adding a small white dot as a light reflection since the eyes are wet and hence reflect light.
dull eyes without this light reflection look semi-dead and a tad bit creepy usually xD
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Not a problem.
I'll admit I always thought I gave the eyes a relaxed look, but I do tend to draw a large portion of the iris, so I may play around with what you suggested. The spec of light is something I keep meaning to come back to, so I'll look at adding that in next time.
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if you wanna send me practice sketches, no problem
just an offer
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Thanks for the offer, I may do. Alternatively, I've been thinking about compiling some of the daily sketches I do and periodically upload them from time to time.
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good idea :3
just enable the 'critique requested' feature on those you want me to keep an eye out for in particular
I'll get to it when I have some time to spare :3
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To be honest, I'm mainly looking for feedback on any of the pics I do in my project, such as the one I submitted last night. The sketches less so, especially as I'm more experimenting with an alternative design for one of my OCs.
That being said, I've never turned on "critique requested" on a piece so I may look at doing that moving forward.
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tht actually helps the people that critique for you
I try to gradually estabish myself as a critic especially for anime art ebcuase I can offer good advice in that regard.
and by slowly building my pointer up it gives me somewhat of a way to keep track of it.
I don'T think I have tiem every day though :/ sorry ;-;
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Ahh fair enough. I'll admit I shied away from it before I learned how to properly take criticism and because I wanted to avoid the "Look, there's a problem" type of comments. Yesterday's traditional/wip piece is one I'm particularly looking for feedback on as I'm not sure about how the legs/stance/feet turned out and I feel they need to be better for the final version.
And no problem. It'll be a while before I make any real progress with the final/digital version of my main piece.
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just to be clear, since oyu don'T want nime style, which art style do you seek to accomplish exactly, so I can help you with the proportions better?
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I guess you could call it a cartoon/realistic hybrid. As I said I don't like saying "I draw a specific style" because I view it more as a result of what happens when I put pen to paper. However I do generally prefer a cartoon style to a realistic one, but in turn I'm also trying to ensure I have realistic proportions, anatomy, body shape and type etc.
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so realistic proportions but colored ina cartoon style?
does that come somewhat close?
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Yes, though I'd say coloured and drawn in a cartoon style. Of course that may change as my own skills and style naturally evolves. As I said, I'm trying not to force myself to a specific genre but rather see what comes naturally.
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just as a reference point
to critique I need to know what you are aiming for else we might misunderstand each other
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Hello ! I'm here on behalf of ProjectComment !
Let's start with the good points !
- THANK YOU for adding a little summary of Zoey's story ! It really helps the audience know who she is, and discover her if she is new to us. You are one of the few that add this in their descriptions, and it is a huge point if you want to introduce your OCs in a decent way ! Moreover, I like the fact it seems to be taken from the actual story, and doesn't look like a character sheet summary, which is quite interesting because it awakens some envy to read the rest of the story ! Good job with that !
- The design looks pretty neat to me, and I just LOVE the hairstyle ! This is such an unconventional haircut, and totally in the spirit of martial arts. Moreover, I think that the top and pants look way better than in the previous version. You were right to change the colours so it matches the colours of her skin. The purple makeup gives her a nice look, and highlights her eyes. I feel like she doesn't fit the norm, generally speaking, and always feels like originality is important and charming ! This is a very nice character, and she looks like a strong and determined person, but with nice and attractive vibes, as somebody who is caring and always willing to make everyone happy (see her little smile, with the calm eyes !).
The lineart is absolutely stunning ! You did a very precise and conscientious job here, and we can truly feel it ! Everything is on the point, and I like the way you draw hair strands... This is interesting and it adds to your style. It is something recognizable, I believe. No, really, nothing to say regarding that !
Now, the points to improve !
- I would say it is a great thing that you used a reference for the pose, because it really helps regarding proportions as I said it above. But your inspiration is a robot figurine, which brings some drawbacks with it : your piece lacks fluidity. The whole pose is very geometrical, and the movements don't appear as smooth or natural to me. What I can suggest is to only draw the general "stickman" of the pose using the robot ref, then moving to "human" refs to shape the muscles and detailed anatomy. It will help you get more interesting and accurate movements, in my opinion. You can use something like this, for example : previews.123rf.com/images/wamp… (since it is quite close to the actual pose).
- In this point, I will detail some of the anatomy weaknesses of the piece. It won't be complete but I'd like to show you the way for future pieces, if I can ! First, the arms. As you mentioned it, they are quite disturbing. I think her right one is a bit short (keep in mind an arm, when not contracted, reached the middle of the thigh), and that the wrist area isn't defined enough (the arm is always thinner near the wrist, so it looks like a "cone" : i.imgur.com/v2Ru5i6.jpg ). I won't say much about hands, since you already know a quite complete and useful tutorial dealing with the question, but I'll mention the fact I think they appear a bit small : resizing them could add to the effect of the strength you get with these weapons !
- Where is the ear ? 
- Regarding shading and technique, I would say you are doing quite alright. The lineart is perfect, and the main issue I have with the shading is that the whole drawing looks a bit flat because of the lack of contrast and light effects. Adding some light reflections in the eyes, on the weapons, or in the hair would greatly help. I also think that if you want to keep your shading as flat areas of darker colours (a bit anime-like !), you should try to darken your shadows so they really stand out more. Something like this : toi-chan.deviantart.com/art/TU… . Moreover, keep in mind the general shape of what you are shading : a cylinder won't be shaded as a flat area of fabric, and you must translate of the general shape in your way of colouring things. For example : the cylinders forming the handle of your weapons look flat because shaded the wrong way. To shade a cylinder, you should add a bit of shadows on both sides and light in the middle of the handle (www.zurb.net/me110a/images/cyl… ).
Question : was the "big head" effect intended ? Because it sounded so in your description, which is why I didn't include it in the points to improve. However, if not, I think you could try to make is smaller so it matches the body's size (7.5 head = the body, for a woman).
Overall, my comment is a bit unbalanced and it must feel like you have a lot of things to improve on. Don't get me wrong, you are already doing very well, and all the basic stuff is totally acquired. Now, it is time to reach the next level, and this is why I tried to provide you as many infos and refs as I could ! Your style and characters are getting better and better, and we can see the improvement between a version and another (10 days and it is already noticeable !!!).
Soooooo... KEEP IT UP, AND HAPPY DRAWING !
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Thank you. This is actually the second piece of done of Zoey (she's a relatively new character and this is part of a project where the intention is to focus on a character for a month, produce a picture then move onto another, hence my references to "running out of time"), and in the previous one, a commenter felt her backstory wasn't well fleshed out. I took it upon myself to expand on it some more and a large portion of it came out on the spot. I could probably do with revising it though as I feel I have poor sentence structure. I also like putting in a bio for all of my OCs; I'm someone who enjoys talking about them and showing them off so any chance to expand on who they are and what makes them tick is good in my eyes. Sadly there isn't much else to Zoey; as I said, she's still pretty "new".
I'm glad you like her design. I'll admit I'm not 100% happy with it, partly as I couldn't use the palette I wanted. I want all of my characters to have a "favourite colour" I can base the rest of their palette around and to help give them a unique identity as I try to grow and evolve them further. The hair was a pain to get right and I'm still not sure if I truly captured it the way I wanted, but I'm glad you liked the lines.
I hadn't considered the fact I based the pose off a robot figure would have such an impact (especially as I thought it was a Kamen Rider figure, when it's actually from Transformers). At times finding the "ideal pose" is a real pain, and I've found myself having to "Frankenstein" a new one off multiple ones, which doesn't always flow together. I've also often found anatomy to be a pain to get right. I've been trying to accomplish a more accurate shape for the arm but often find the end result doesn't come out the way I wanted, if that makes sense. Sometimes it is also because I don't notice the issues until it's too late (as was the case here).
I've admittedly stayed clear of more detailed shading because I "already have too much on my plate" with poses, anatomy etc. that attention to detail is something I should worry about when I have the basics down first. I appreciate that may may sound like an excuse (and a poor one at that) but it's not something I want to worry about just yet; I'm a strong believer in "don't run before you can walk" and I feel there are other, more pressing issues I need to resolve first before attention to detail. That being said I can see what you mean about the shade used needing to be darker, especially when looking at the tutorial you linked to so thanks for sharing that
Ears aren't something I normally draw, usually as the character's hair is covering it so I'll admit I'm a little "out of practice" when it comes to them. That being said, while I thought I had positioned them "properly", I can see what you mean about the position and agree that lowering it would have worked better (which is helpful, as the next character I'm drawing will likely have her ears on display). And no, the big head was an accident and not something I noticed until I had finished the piece.
I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're referring to by the "10 days", unless you mean some of my more recent pieces like Inktober but either way, thank you for the comment.
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Is the project a personal project of yours or is it part of a group thing ? 
Are you going to use Zoey in a story or such ? Since she has a pretty nice backstory.
Interesting fact that they have a favourite colour. What is her favourite one ? Orange ?
Aaaaah.... I feel you on the pose struggle ! I personally use dAPoses to find what I need, as they have quite a huge collection of poses. Or google images. But you're right, it can be quite horrible to find what you need. This is why you must learn to position muscles so you can "create" poses when you can't find a ref. So, practice practice practice !
This is not a poor "excuse" or anything, actually ! I mean, it makes sense to me, and I understand you. But regarding anatomy, I'm afraid you'll have to work with shading, in the end. The body is a 3D object, so shading is important to depict anatomy. But starting with the basics is ALWAYS the best thing to do. When you feel ready, try to create rather simple poses, so it is easier for you to figure out where to place this or that. 
Glad I could help with the ears !
10 days between the first and the second version of Zoey, that's what I meant.
Anytime ! I hope I helped !
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Yes, it's a personal project. I started it last December as I hadn't finished a piece in nearly two years and my OC roster had been steadily growing for various reasons but I hadn't drawn the majority of them yet - pawcanada.deviantart.com/galle… . Outside of March, where I took a month off and September where I drew Zoey again (this piece) it's been fun changing between characters as I'm usually able to pour more time and ideas into them - such as Zoey's backstory - than I would have done without it. And yes, I do have a role for Zoey in my story. I envision her as a rival/enemy to my OC Snow and while I'm still working out how everything will pan out, I have at least one meeting in mind for the two.
Ideally I would like to make it orange but I may change it around a little. In the past I tended to throw colours together without any real though for it but since experimenting and researching colour palettes and complimentary colours I find it both interesting and challenging to work out the right collection that will work together.
I keep forgetting about that group! Thanks for the reminder. And I hadn't really thought about positioning the muscles on my pieces; again it could be seen as a form of detailing I'll "come back to at a later date" but maybe it's time I start to give it more of a focus. I hadn't really considered the fact a body is 3D and the shading would be affected by that.
Ahh I see. I didn't realise there was a ten day gap between the traditional version and this one. I thought I spent a little longer on it.
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That sounds awesome really !
So in the end you started the project because you were lacking OCs ? Or did I miss something ?
I have a tip when I work with my colours : always pick 3 main colours max. Otherwise, it floods the piece in a confusing way. Since I started applying this rule, my art has greatly improved !
Well, in the end everything is interdependent in drawing. Because it makes a "whole" (can I use this word here ?), in the end.
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Not quite, as all the OCs I've drawn so far (and have yet to draw) were created at varying points over the last twenty years or so. Some have been rebooted through different ideas and art mediums, some I've adopted from old friends and revamped and a few OCs - like Zoey - are "new", having been created last year. Prior to this project there was a fair number I hadn't drawn since I left my old account in 2008, or haven't once made a single picture of them for one reason or another. As well as finishing pieces, this project has also encouraged me to work with "under used characters" and it's been lots of fun. I keep getting ideas for new designs and palettes that I hope to implement during a second "run through".
That's a good suggestion, I'll keep that in mind.
And I agree
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That's good to hear ! How does it feel to revamp 20 year old OCs ?
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It's been very interesting. A fair number of my OCs started off in Final Fantasy fan fictions or Sonic based Sprite Comics and have grown and evolved depending on my own tastes and interests. I have one OC who was a re-colour of the Sonic character Rogue the Bat named "Noir Odonic", a psychic, buxom woman with grey hair and red eyes and over time she's evolved into "Norika Olivian" who still has a large bust and psychic powers but lacks any other elements from her "re-coloured" version, as she now has blonde hair, green eyes and has drawn inspiration from various other female characters I've encountered through various mediums (such as glasses and a whip as her "weapon of choice", both ideas I got from FFVIII's Quistis).
Another OC of mine, Theora, started off life as a one dimensional female thief with a love for axes. I scrapped her not long after and later adopted a friend's old OC, "Snow the Ice Demon". A few years ago I had the idea to not only revive Snow but merge her with Theora to create "Theora 'Snow' Daemond", giving her some of the physical features and abilities from the old Snow OC, a backstory that ties her to demons as well as making her a thief with a love for gems and axes from the old Theora character.
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Sorry, I'm late !
Do you think it is important to let your OCs evolve ? Or do you think they lose something while evolving ? (if that makes sense)
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No worries 
I think it's good to let my OCs evolve. As I mentioned before a fair number of them started off as re-colours or an expy of some other character, such as my OC Mewrah being based loosely off of Tifa from FFVII. I feel re-colours and inspirations are the first in many steps for making an OC, like putting down the first floor in a house - once that is done you can build up to something different. If I don't let them evolve in one way or another I'll be left with a basic floor and no walls.
Plus I find it interesting seeing what elements I can work into the character from others I like. I've often felt there are some great "B" and "C" list characters out there who may not get the same attention as the "A" listers (Fire Emblem is a good example of this). If a game may overlook a character I can at least show them some love by using parts of them as the "floor" (not in a literal sense mind 
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I like that metaphor. It shows this is a process. It shows you can't just come up with the perfect idea of the perfect house at once. It takes time and a lot of fails.
I see what you mean ! Do you think it is a problem that Bs and Cs aren't so furnished and "fancy" (Can I use that word here ?) ?
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Exactly. I personally enjoy watching an OC grow with new ideas from multiple sources. Like you said, it's a process and you can't come up with everything at once. Often I find I don't get a good idea until I'm reminded of an existing character or I expose myself to a game/book/movie/etc. I hadn't seen or played before.
I think it's more down to the story. I really like the design of "Nephenee" from two of the Fire Emblem games, and she's served as inspiration for a re-design and reinterpretation of an adopted OC. Now I'll admit it has been a while since I last played the games she but I can't remember what, if any, major impact she had on the story. In the Fire Emblem games, units who aren't the main "Lord" are ultimately expendable and their main development is handled through "Support" chats between them and other characters. These are optional, and in older games characters could engage in a limited number of conversations. As a result characters like her can't really flourish and sadly will only stand out thanks to their design.
I do however think "B and C List" characters arguably have the most room for growth when compared to their "A List"counter parts. I've been a big fan of Spider-Man since I was a child, and while I enjoy reading stories with Peter as the lead, I often find stories relating around some of the other Spider-Men more interesting. They'll often engage in stories you can't do with Peter (without backlash or having it undone two years later) and that to me opens up more possibilities. However in turn their obscure nature means that often their stories are cancelled before reaching their full potential, such as with the 2012 Spider-Man spin off "Scarlet Spider".
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Firstly, I'm not sure if you're going for realistic human body or something entirely differently, but I'm assuming a more realistic human body, so keep this in mind when reading.
Compared to your pencil drawing, this version is an improvement. You've done well with your shading and it's clear where the light source is. You've said in your description that you used shapes more than lines, but I fail to see those shade shapes. You can use shadows to your advantage to add shape and style to the clothes. You've done a great job of drawing her hands, they're better than the one in the original, though her left hand could be better placed on the weapon/the little finger could be positioned slightly lower than the other fingers. Her left forearm is slightly too small and smaller in comparison to her right forearm.
Her foot shape could be improved; feet simply do not look like that in those types of shoes - the foot will become slightly narrower nearer the toes for example. You did a good job of her hands so you could focus on drawing her feet, barefoot. You're capable of doing it.
Her breasts are uneven, though I know what you're trying to do; if her arm is up, her breast will rise slightly but not to that degree. I would recommend looking at some tutorials for this.
The hair could have more detail and also show more movement in this piece. Her hair doesn't look fluid, it looks stuck in one place and halved unnaturally.
She doesn't have pupils in her eyes and the eyes aren't human like in shape. Eyes are almost never the shape of a horizontal oval or that close together, so you could put more work into eye studies and tutorials. I also don't see an ear?
I like her pose, you've done that well. With more training in some areas and then bringing it all together, your art could improve drastically, seeing as you improved your hands greatly from one tutorial! Try out some eye, hair and breast studies!
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Thank you for your comment.
I tend to view my style as more cartoony than realistic, and even then I view that as a vague description as it's more "what happens when I put pen to paper". I aim aiming to have realistic proportions but
Feet are something I've rarely drawn, partly my focus has been more on anatomy and poses, but as someone mentioned them in my most recent piece I do feel it's something I should look into more. As for pupils and the shape of the eyes, it's more of a stylistic choice as I try to find what works best for me. Plus I've found whenever I draw in pupils the character looks like some crazy obsessed stalker. I am trying to find a style that works best and have a few tutorials bookmarked that I keep meaning to go back to. The ear is there, the reverse C shape to the right of the eyes, but I don't tend to draw them normally as I find they often get hidden by the character's hair.
I do agree with you about the breasts, but as I said, they were more of an accident as I never noticed the problem until it was too late to fix the lines. The same also applies to the arms, if by "left forearm" and "right forearm" you're referring to the stage right arm and stage left arms respective (I find the "stage" approach when referring to limbs easier).
As for the shading, it's admittedly hard to see with the watermark plastered over her and reviewing the piece again, I can see that maybe the shapes and curves I thought I put in aren't as visible as I once thought. I do wonder if I should have made the shading - at least on the top - a touch darker and easier to see.
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Out of all your OCs I've seen so far,
I think Zoey here has the coolest hairstyle.
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Thanks, and I agree
Thanks for the comment
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I'm sorry I didn't get back to you on the previous version in time x.x you work too fast for me to catch up lol.
I really like this version! You made some very visually interesting changes, namely the design of the blouse! The lines are very neat and crisp as well, and the light shading really gives her a finished feel. I love the glint in her eyes ^^
Overall I find that pose really cool, I notice you shortened her arms a bit and altered her jawline, which makes the pic look all the better. The head my aindeed be a tad big, but honestly I wouldn't have paid it any attention had you not mentioned it. There's indeed a bit of an issue with the size of her breasts - raising your arm does change its position, but in your pic it does look a tad small, which I think is greatly due to how pointed it is, which is not how a streatched-out breast looks like. As for the hands: they look great; they really do.
It's looking quite good overall ^^ I like the pose and colour choices, and her expression. She looks absolutely ready to fight!
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Not a problem. I'm happy you were able to comment on the final version instead. And I suppose I do work fast; it is the basis of my project after all, but I do feel the pieces suffer a little because of the deadline.
I'll admit I was a touch unsure about the design on the top, as I felt the diamond was "thrown on" slightly. However, I am glad to hear that you felt it worked well so I'll be sure to expand upon it in the future. Likewise I'm glad to hear you liked the shading, as that is something I want to improve in general. Likewise I am glad to hear you like how the arms and jawline came out when compared to the previous version, although I'll admit I hadn't really paid attention to the jawline when I was re-drawing it.
I guess the big head may not be a glaringly obvious flaw if it's not obvious until it's pointed out; I never noticed until the piece was nearly done but I will keep it in mind in the future. And as for the breasts, now that you mention it, I can see what you mean about them having a a bit of a point, especially the stage left one. Honestly I'm surprised I never caught that when I was drawing them.
Thanks again for the comment
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Nothing says you can't revisit them later... By then, you'll have learned more about drawing, and will be able to get your vision better across
Looking forward to the rest of your pics ^^ I'll try and comment sooner this time around e.e
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Oh true. I've been trying to improve and tweak all of my OCs designs over the last year and I have no intention of stopping any time soon.
And sounds good. I'm hoping to have the lines for "mark 1" of my next piece done by the end of the weekend, but even if you miss the window on that, I'd be just as happy if you left a comment on the final piece as you did here
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Hello from ProjectComment !
Reading through your note section, you seem to understand some important points on how to improve your drawing, but not really know how to solve it. The best way to figure out what's wrong is to watch a bunch of tutorial videos. I'm a bit of a slut for Mark Crilley on Youtube. His videos are super helpful, and they can help you with everything from shading to posing, to even character design! I'd highly suggest you take a look at them!
Outside of the points you noticed, some aspects of her design (Her ponytail, her belt, ect) don't seem to flow with her movement, which would make her pose more dynamic. So if she's lunging to one side (say, her left), having her ponytail and belt whipping to the other side (the right, thanks to physics!) gives the illusion of movement. The knot also doesn't really look like a knot, but those are really hard to draw well. I usually end up drawing staggered u's, but just keep practicing, and you'll find your own way!
Keep up the great work!
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Thank you for your comment.
It is frustrating. I've tended to avoid tutorials outside of the kind I referenced in my comments as I often find my drawing time is limited due to other commitment, socalising, being fatigued, procastianting etc. so the few times I get the motivation to draw, it often has to be purely focused on a piece for my project (like this one) so I don't miss my deadline. I am planning to changing things up in the new year, so I've subscribed to his channel and added a few of his vids to my Watch Later playlist; thanks for the suggestion.
I'll admit I hadn't really thought about the movement of the piece, partly as my emphasis was more on trying to nail the design, especially the hair. I can see what you mean about the belt and hair though. And I agree with you about the knot. I wasn't really thinking about drawing one properly and instead went back to the way I drew rolled up gloves when I was a kid.
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Nicely done, the shading looks great, it added alot of dimension to your piece. Thanks for submitting to the group, much appreciated.
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Thank you for your comment and accepting the piece.
I am glad you like the shading as I am trying to improve how I do it.
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You are doing very well!!
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Thank you
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