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SPOILERS: Sorry for those of you I spoiled, I thought it was ample time after the movie was released. In hindsight, I really should have waited a couple more weeks.--------
Because he's the Robin we needed, but not the one we deserved.
There seems to be split among the fans about this guy - some Robin fans detest the fact that his name isn't just Dick, Jason, or Tim, and others really like the guy because he reminds them of their beloved Robins.
I'm in the latter camp - I think John Blake is a great character! I'd say he's 60% Tim Drake, 30% Dick Grayson, and 10% Jason Todd...more or less. But he's definitely influenced most by Tim's character.
Anyway, I personally think he'd become "Robin" or "Red Robin." I just thought it was brilliant for him to be able to fight crime with his real name, and still protect his loved ones with his "John Blake" persona. The guy said himself he wasn't afraid to show himself when standing up to the corrupt, but Batman told him he had to wear a mask in order to protect the ones he loved. Being "Robin" in the mask and armored suit allows him to do both! Genius or plain stupid?
I think him becoming anyone of these masked vigilantes is totally valid. Case in point, Nolan made it so that John Blake could be whoever we need him to be. For me, it'll be Robin, and for others it might be Batman II.
All this said, I do NOT want them to try to add on to Nolan's world. It should stay as is - this is merely to tickle our imaginations.
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From left to right:Β
John Blake
Robin
Red Robin
Nightwing
Batman II
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I think John Blake is good character too.
It would be nice if there were a universe where he was the little brother of Zinda Blake/Lady Blackhawk.
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I think this suit concept would be best for my Marvel Comics KatamanΒ project
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Awesome work. Now I want a Robin movie more than ever.Β
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Is this really happening? Like in the TDK series, is Blake becoming Red Robin?!
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Nope, this is just a fan-made concept.
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ok hey i just saw.u visited my group page comic book gang, do u mind joining itll be nice.to have.u
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Who is john Blake, is he the voice in Arkham city.
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John Blake is the character whose real name is "Robin" in Nolan's "The Dark Knight Rises." These are some costume designs I made for him.
Also, "Batman Sass" or "Batman's ass"?
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From left to right, I would combine 2 and 3. That would be awesome.
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Ooh, I particularly like the Red Robin and Nightwing designs, though the Nightwing is a bit too armored for an acrobat.
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I'm in the third camp; the character didn't remind me of Dick, Jason, Tim, or any "Robin" at all. Another character like Michael Lane, the second Azrael, would have been more interesting to me to me.
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I'm glad that Nolanverse isn't going to be part of a future of the justice league movie or the upcoming second man of steel, because Nolan made batman his own when he made the Dark Knight Franchise, Nolan's batman just wouldn't match up with any of other dc characters that already have movies. I mean he tried to make his batman universe more realistic by making the villains just normal humans with no added abilities and I think a guy that can construct objects with a ring and an alien with super strength, flight, and lasers standing side-to-side with Joseph Gordan-Levitt would defeat that purpose. Β
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I didn't have any beef with this character, he was a unique character for a unique world and personally I think he was handled well all things considered. By the end of the movie we're all but told that he's going to step up and become the next Dark Knight though not necessarily Batman, personally I think he would be Nightwing but that's just me. I really like these designs for his various possibilities, last one reminds me of the current Batwing/Batman Beyond
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I can see this..although I may have some trouble adjusting to thee last one with the blue icon, but still...
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I used to think him using the Robin persona was...shall we say, superfluous. But now I'm thinking that it NEEDS to happen.
Should there ever be a Spin-off Movie following his character, it should feature a few months of him TRYING to be the Batman. Only - he's clumsy, he doesn't have any formal training...
So this would give an opportunity for Bruce to return - because regardless of being "dead" or not, he can't just vanish into the world. So - Bruce decides to come back and train the rookie so he can be a better Batman, as Blake realizes that being the Batman is more than just training and putting on the cowl. He has to break free of the Bat's shadow and assume his own identity.
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Well that's the thing, I don't think Blake would even try to be Batman - it would be disrespectful. When Bruce said anyone could be Batman, he meant that anyone could have the courage to be a hero in the midst of all the chaos and confusion. I mean that's why Bruce preferred Harvey's actions as a district attorney over the copy-Bats in "The Dark Knight." I'm sure Bruce entrusted the Batcave to Blake, but not necessarily Batman; that's something that Bruce owned and developed himself. Blake showing up in Gotham as another Batman would undermine all the sacrifices Bruce made to ensure that Batman "died a hero" for Gotham. If he were to be resurrected, it would have to be on Bruce's terms. I find it much more powerful if individuals in Gotham were inspired by the Bat instead of copying him. That was Bruce's intention since the very beginning.
That's my two cents anyway!
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if that's true, then what was the point of the battle for the cowl story line? or grant morrisons batman and robin?Β
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I was referring only to what happened in Nolan's movies. In terms of the major story lines in the comic books, having Batman's legacy spread makes sense because he first apprenticed Robin. From there, it spawned Nightwing, Batgirl, several other Robins, Batman Inc, and a bunch of other Batman-affiliated and influenced members. "The Battle for the Cowl" worked so well because there were already 4 Robins at that point. They were all trying to prove something to themselves, each other, and the city. Let's not forget though, that comic Batman and movie Batman are a little different in terms of their objectives and motives. They're similar, but Nolan's Batman didn't see his journey as a never-ending mission the same way comic Batman does. Also, it makes way more sense for a Robin (who has trained under Batman for many years) to become Batman than an ex-cop who was inspired by Batman not too long before he "died." At that point, it's not "copying" Batman anymore, but honoring him.
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ok, i guess ur right about that
also, i have a question, is the last one supposed to look like nightwing or batman beyond?
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i like the character but they connected him in a very bad scripted way.
they could have said when he walked in
lady: Name?
Blake: R John Blake
Lady: what does the "R" stand for?
Blake: oh its robin
Lady: oh i really like that
cus the real way they did it was just lame lol but hey i love the work its vey good
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These concepts are awesome. If only a movie really DID come out of this. I can't decide which costume I like the most.
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These are really nice, The one in the middle looks like a cross between Robin and Red Robin.
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As a big Robin advocate (since most people in general that don't know much about Batman except for the movies hate Robin and the Idea of a robin) I got to say, this was a somewhat good character, but if they were going to make him some kind of Robin analogy they should have stick to one of the original Robins, but that is not my problem with this character. My biggest issue is that there is talk about Joseph Gordon Levitt been one of the main character for the Justice League movie if it comes out. Nolan hates Robin, and so does Bale, so...
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Just because Joe Gordon Levitt will be in it, doesn't mean Robin John Blake will. I get the feeling that if this rumor is true, we'll see it at the end of Man of Steel - and my hope is that he would be a new, young Bruce Wayne instead (keeping TDK Trilogy in its own separate world...if Johnny Storm can be Captain America, why can't John Blake be Bruce Wayne?). If they really wanted to tie The Dark Knight Trilogy into the new DC cinematic universe, it would make way more sense to have Christian Bale back as Batman.
At this point, it's all speculation. I wouldn't discount Robin John Blake just because of some rumors of a JL movie we won't see for another 2 years or so. Just seeing the character as he is in TDKR, and knowing about the history of all Robins, I can't help but LOVE what Nolan did. I honestly don't believe he hates Robin after seeing how he treated the character in TDKR.
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Here's my two cents it anybody wants it. I can live with him being another Robin, as there have been a few non-canon Robins through the years that I've actually grown the like (namely, Carrie Kelly), but here's my biggest beef with the character.
A. Now people (the general public) are going to be confused as hell over who Robin is, if it wasn't already confusing enough. He's essentially ruined any chances of Dick, Jay and Tim's stories getting told, which means people will miss out on these amazing characters
B. People who know a least a little about the Bat family have already taken to calling him Nightwing and making fake Nightwing movie posters featuring him. Dick Grayson, being my favorite comic book character ever, cannot be replaced by Robin Blake, and to do so would (and I am biased here) be blasphemy to his character and to the Nightwing title in general.
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It's not blasphemy because he's not Nightwing, he's Robin John Blake. I wouldn't let other people's fantasies get in the way of your own haha
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And that's why I don't really mind his character. I know he's not Nightwing, but if he were to become so, then I would feel pretty disappointed.
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I liked the Nolan verse all the way up to DKR it made me irritated no south American bane, ok looking Talia, then John Blake }
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Who names their super hero identity after their first name?
Thats a terrible idea.
Great concepts I do like them. Where does heave the money to do this?
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Well that's the thing.. in the case of John Blake, he's not looking to hide his identity. I think it works just fine that he'd go by his real name while fighting crime. Because then Robin is the secret identity, not John Blake, unlike Batman's secret identity being Bruce Wayne. The reason why it works for me is that the whole world knows Bruce Wayne, and no one knows this Robin John Blake guy. You don't buy it? Ah well it's okay. Nolan's Batman is done and over with haha. As much as I like to think about how it would all turn out, it ended the way it did to end Bruce's story, not necessarily to star Robin's.
In terms of money, I'm sure he'd get funded by Bruce - a lot like the dynamic between Bruce and Tim before adoption in the comics. From what I remember, Bruce gave Tim some money to have his own apartment and equipment to fight crime on his own. At that time, Batman and Robin had their own separate titles, and had their own adventures.
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All good points, well put.
I just hope the next movies are comic book centered.
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Aw man they better be! While I enjoy the movie versions of Batman, they all end up being a director's interpretation - which I think is cool, but at some point I'd like to see a definitive Batman on screen.
I'm hoping they ditch origin stories, and just have the Bat-family be there from the start. Probably not going to happen, but I can dream!
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Well their going strait to JLA after man if steel it should skip the origin.
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I thought Robin John Blake was a clever character, all the Robins and yet none of them. You feel he is mostly Tim Drake. I think he has Tim Drake personality, but Dick Grayson's physical appearance. The costumes are nice renditions of their comic counterparts, the first and the third being my personal choices for any film adaptation. Do you think we will ever get a Nightwing on the big screen?
Thank you for sharing!
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I thought it was a stupid concept. He was an idealist and wasn't really driven by tragedy or anything and only had basic police training. Bruce travelled the world, fought three times, gave up and left, and didn't leave much of anything for Blake to go off of rather than the cave. No money, no alfred, etc.
but I love this picture
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Yeah but he's not Batman - even if he did wear the batsuit, he would be a completely different Batman. Most of his crime fighting would be done through detective work as opposed to yelling at criminals and driving around with military vehicles. John Blake did work without any tech, and helped out a lot of citizens in TDKR. John Blake fulfilled the role of Robin for sure, but not Batman. Tim Drake was sort of in the same boat - he didn't have proper training or motivation from tragedy, just the desire to continue Batman's legacy and fight crime.
The whole idea behind these movies, even from the beginning, was for Bruce Wayne to inspire people to overcome the corruption that had overridden the city. When he said anyone could be Batman, he didn't mean it literally - he was really saying that everyone can be a hero and find their own way just as he did. Why else would he praise Harvey Dent's political work and not the Bat-phonies? All I'm saying is that Blake was the inspired individual Bruce was looking for and deserved, unlike Harvey Dent who lost control.
One thing to think about is, the Bruce Wayne Batman only dealt with major crimes and psychopaths - perhaps John Blake could be more street level. Which totally works because he's ROBIN.
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Tim drake was stil later trained by the Bat. I understand the inspiration and such, but it was carried over in a sloppy over-dramatic way. To me, it was trying to be a Dark knight Returns... the time gap, the retirement, the age factor, death ,etc.... It just ddn't work for me as a batman movie
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Tim Drake was later trained by Lady Shiva, which would also be a cool thing for John Blake. Even so, none of the Robins ever operated the same way Batman did anyway - like I mentioned before, even if John Blake isn't a martial arts master, he'll find a way to fight crime his own way. Even without Batman gear, he was able to do a lot of good in the movie.
To me, more than anything else, it felt like Nolan was trying to make a biblical story with Batman characters. He was making a statement on justice and faith, and used Batman as a vehicle to explore those abstract concepts. If you analyze all three movies, you'll find a lot of religious undertones, and that's what makes this interpretation so interesting to me. I won't dive into details, but if you stop trying to compare it to other Batman things, and see it on its own, it's actually got really cool things going on. They're not perfect movies, and they're not representative of the character in full, but I do like the ideas and concepts behind them.
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Agreed but as far as the trilogy goes, I feel it is the weakest of the three :/
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I beleive the final result will be him being Nightwing, as he lacks the tragic character of Grayson (the only Robin practicaly everyone recognizes) and the long, tedious training of Batman. Nightwing meets somewhere in the middle and is therefore beleiveable -which is what Nolan aims for throughout the series (realism) Meanwhile, Dick Grayson comes along in a similar but more tragic light Blake's, which 'Robin' at first won't accept, meanwhile Grayson's own darkness begins to eat away at him (Batman comes back sometime, bear with me) and Blake, heroicaly, will die as Nightwing. Grayson joins with Bats and uses Blake's name in his honor, and when the next Robin comes about (we know there will be since we flat-out know there is going to be a Damian Wayne) Grayson will eventually decide to take up Blake's real-life supe. identity.
So anyway, that's where I feel the story is going
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