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They're older in my AU, at least 17-18.
Danny Fenton/Phantom, Tucker Foley, Sam Manson © Butch Hartman
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Stunted growth due to his molecules being jacked up thanks to being subjected to electricity and ectoplasm being shot into him the first time, then getting rid of it somehow, then gaining it all back in phantom planet.
I mean, if you think about it. He's half ghost. Ghosts aren't supposed to age. In my case, I like to think that he just ages slower.
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would have wonder if he stayed young and every one around him ages
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You're welcome!
And hey don't worry about things other people said about your versions of them older. Everyone has different interpretations.
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I love how Danny doesn't any different than 2 years ago. XD
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Yeah, I figured that he wouldn't age as fast considering that he's half ghost.
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That's actually pretty reasonable...
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I like that you didn't go with the cliche facial hair to show growth in the characters. Very nice as always.
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Well, like a lot of people I believe that Danny isn't going to change quite as quickly due to his half ghost status. I'm glad you think that Sam looks older, and as for Tucker I could probably add a little bit of facial hair, but my friend said he looks old enough, but if you have some idea how to make them look older without making them overly bulky, then let me know. I would really appreciate it.
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Well half ghost or not, high school is when the boys go through growth spurts. (Especially since his human and ghost forms are two different entities, and most of the ghosts have shown to age like a human would, but anyway...)
I noticed you, like other people, make Tucker the tallest. Danny could be a few inches taller, because Jack is pretty tall, whilst Tucker's father isn't. Genetically, the father's DNA is responsible as to how tall their offspring grows. He could also have longer hair, or a different hairstyle, sideburns perhaps? And it never hurts to give him a different outfit, cause I doubt he'd be wearing the same thing for four years.
I do agree on the Tucker having facial hair though, he could have like a soul patch or something
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That may be true, but people grow at different rates. I'm going to make him a bit more masculine around 20-21. Even though his ghost and human entities are two different entities they still form a whole, and I chose to make him grow a little slower than other boys his age. After all, it is my fan art.
Yeah, Danny cold be a few inches taller, and I started to make it so, but I decided, again, that I would wait until he's around 20-21. I intend to have him tower over people because, like you said, Jack is pretty tall. As for the hair, I forgot to color that part in. If you noticed the AU version of them, he does have the a bit more hair in the back.
And for the different outfit, I didn't know what to give him so I stuck to what I know. I doubt he'd wear the same thing for years as well, but then again if you look at Jack Fenton he wore that orange jumpsuit since college. -shrugs-
So yes, thank you for the comment and the advice, but I think I'm going to stick to this, at least for this picture. I'm not overly good with my drawings and I'm learning how to make my characters grow and progress. In the future though, I'll be sure to take some of your advice.
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No I know it's your fanart, but I'm just pointing out that boys tend to have growth spurts in high school. I didn't say you had to make him muscular. Although please explain the logic behind slower growth rate? I'm just curious.
Alright, fair enough.
Ah yes the jumpsuit, but the durability of a hazmat suit compared to simple jeans and t-shirt (also Jack has multiple suits), especially since Danny does get banged up from time to time, before even transforming. If you're stuck you can always google "boys clothes" and see what comes up.
You're welcome. I know it can be hard trying to think of older designs and progression, hell I'm still in that stage myself. But I always give a little advice on the side.
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There is something out there called Delayed Puberty. Some people who go through this have issues with their chromosomes which as you know is made up of DNA. Danny's DNA has been altered more then once (getting ghost DNA overlaid with his regular DNA, getting rid of the Ghost DNA ((removing his ghost powers)) and then getting the ghost DNA permanently merged with his DNA). Problems with the chromosomes can interfere with growth and since Danny is a "Halfa", which I consider to be half dead, he won't grow as fast as everyone else. I mean, if dead people stop growing, then half dead people probably won't grow so fast, right? It's how I reason anyway.
We're really being technical about cartoon characters? Jack has multiple suits and Danny obviously has multiples of the same clothes because he wears them everyday just like many fictional cartoon or anime characters. If I choose to leave him with the same pair of clothes because I wasn't feeling very creative that day, then it really is my choice. I did upload a PNG of that version of Danny that clearly said I wasn't being creative. I have plenty pictures of clothes saved to my laptop, and like I said I am still working on my drawings meaning that I am still trying to figure out how to draw certain styles and certain characters in those styles.
I love your characters and I can see them progress, but you made it very clear that you didn't want anyone to use them as references so I don't really have an actual slate to work with when making the canon characters look older. I'm really trying, but it really isn't as easy as a lot of people make it look. I really do appreciate the advice, and I really will use it in the future.
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That would be a logical explanation if the ghosts in the show have shown to have aged just as humans do, from what we've seen in The Ultimate Enemy (Dan himself being a perfect example because he's a full ghost). So it counteracts your "dead people stop growing" logic. But you can do whatever you want, I'm not trying to stop you.
You did say Jack has worn the same jumpsuit since college, and I was merely pointing out to show he has multiples. Not to mention we've seen clothes get ragged and torn in the show. By the way you're acting a little defensive here, and it's pretty off-putting. Please note that I'm not attacking you or trying to force you to do anything, I'm just pointing things out for possible future references. And you really don't have to justify anything with me. You were feeling not too creative, okay, I offered a way to help with that if you ever needed it again. I get that you're still working on it, and I wasn't looking at your other images when I came across this one.
There's always a slate, you just have to find it, or create it yourself. The one thing I don't want to hear from people is that they can't find inspiration or ideas other than my drawings. I'm not gonna tell you to make Danny look exactly like how I think he should, but a lot of people do the same thing with Danny: tweak the shirt a little, give him a slightly different hairstyle and bam he's 4 years older. And it gets boring, which is why my version of older Danny comes out taller and more muscular. You can go with your pace and do what you want, but I just want to help you avoid the same general idea that everyone else does for older Danny. But I am glad you're taking this with a grain of salt.
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So as someone who's only watched a little bit of the show, could you explain to me the situation with Desiree? Apparently she died of a broken heart and old age (however that works.) Then you have Poindexter who died in the fifties. It seems to me that Desiree was reverted back to her youth while Poindexter didn't age.
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Desiree's a genie, and she probably chose to become one at her time of death to make others happy since she lost her happiness long ago. We know genies don't physically age, and I don't know what science is behind that
Poindexter, however is stuck in a loop. Somehow he got stuck in 1950's Casper High (I have a headcanon that the entire school died due to some accident-and they weren't aware of it so they continue on not realizing they're dead) so I don't think he really had a choice.
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I've never heard of genies not physically aging, or ghost for that matter either. Can you explain that a little more for me please?
But weren't there a few episodes where Poindexter wasn't attached to the old high school, not including his debut episode? There was the Christmas episode and the episode where they were all running from that one ghost. (I can't entirely be sure because I've seen different episodes and most likely they weren't in any order. lol)
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In any other cartoon (Aladdin, FOP) shows that the genies are thousands of years old, but they don't look it. The genie in FOP physically looks to be in his 30's-40's but we know he's much older than that. The genie in Aladdin gave us a clue that he's 10,000 years old or probably even older. Looking up more information, genies are literally just spirits made of fire or smoke. And we know Desiree can turn into that pink-ish smoke, so obviously genie ghosts are different than regular ghosts.
Yeah Poindexter wasn't attached to the school anymore, but I think they threw him in just for the sake of having more ghosts around, and to show almost every enemy Danny has had over the course of the series. He never had a plot after Splitting Images.
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Okay so basically Desiree is a ghost who, in death, somehow decided that she wanted to have the properties of a genie which then negates her aging process. That's smart, but a weird and interesting way to think about it. I'm not really sure what to go by because I wouldn't think that ghosts would age either. I believe that our bodies are basically shells and our spirit is just a formless shape that could possibly be melded into a new shape. It brings up the question of reincarnation and past lives and things like that. It's one of the reasons why I find ghost stories to be interesting as well as the opinion of others.
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Some ghosts are different, and in the show they've shown signs of growth and aging and such in the show. You'd think it wouldn't happen but it does
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It's a pretty confusing show if you try to think about it too much. If I were to make an OC or something I'd probably just stick to my basic knowledge of ghosts and incorporate it into the show somehow. xD
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It is, blame Butch Hartman XD but hey, whatever you wanna do
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Again, it's a fictional show and sometimes you can't have logic play in everything. You always want to point of something that seems to be convenient for you. What applies to one person doesn't always have to apply for someone else. I believe that ghosts can change their appearances. Have you never seen movies where ghosts can take on different forms, maybe want to look different than what they were in death? Maybe be different? There is always a factor. Again, this is a fictional show which doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with, so there is really not a real point in arguing the case. I mean, the main character is half ghost. :/
Dan is a fusion of Vlad and Danny. When he fused with Vlad's ghost he still retained Danny's outfit, but as he grew or developed and "evolved" because I won't say that he grew, he changed his style. As for the ghosts who Dan hurt, again, they adapted. I'm pretty sure Johnny didn't need a wheelchair. The guy could fly after all. As for Ember, I don't know. Perhaps they adept to have they feel. She got fat because she was depressed. A lot of girls, when depressed, eat and gain weight. Maybe that's why Ember's appearance changed. There are so many factors that could be taken into consideration. We can both pull and pick out things to defend both of our sides, but at the end of the day fan fiction is fiction by the fans based on something they like. I don't understand why you're trying to prove your point so vehemently when it's pretty obvious that I'm basing my reasoning on logic and the things that I see around me whether it's in the show or in real life.
I'm pretty sure that you know what I meant. Of course we've seen clothes torn and then we've seen them come back good as new. Obviously they get the clothes from their closet and perhaps Danny's "Phantom" jumpsuit repairs itself. Of course I'm being defensive. I'm defending my views and my reasonings. I'm not trying to be rude if that's how it seems. I'm merely trying to explain why it is that I am doing what I am doing. I mean, I understand that you're trying to help, but you're coming off as being pushy; trying to get me to understand what it is that I already seem to understand. Yes I know that they aren't going to wear the same thing forever, yes I understand that boys grow up and mature around high school, heck, some boys seem to sprout up in middle school. The point is this, I understand your point, but it's not exactly what I want to do. I don't see why this debate is even still being commented on. I obviously want to do this my way, and I can obviously explain my reasons logically and I too can pull things from the show to support not just my theories and ideas but yours as well. I can see where you're coming from, but it seems like you either don't really care where I'm coming from or you just want everything to be done your way. I changed my 'Wildfire' character for your Shadow Academy because you said his bio was unbelievable because wildfires were rare. Well, just because they're rare and the circumstances seem unbelievable doesn't mean it can't, won't or hasn't happened. I won't allow you to try to push how you think things should go with me. You have your methods, I have mine. I will get better in my own time.
I didn't say that you're drawings were the only place for inspiration or ideas. I just said that you made it clear that you don't want your work to be used as a reference. There are plenty places that I do go, but it's hard, at least for me, to make the transfer from one art style to another and make it look like it belongs. I know how adding lines make wrinkles and making hair londer or adding hair in certain places, but it just doesn't come out looking right. I still need plenty more practice and I am practicing. I do want to add that sort of things and I do want to learn how to make my characters different from each other because, at least to me, all of my OC's look similar and that bothers me. It is why I ask for critiques after all.
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Fiction does as fiction goes, but despite it being fiction, there are things set in that particular world that you can't change the logic of, even if it doesn't make sense. I can tweak or change a certain plot, but I can't change the ghosts. Yes, in other shows and movies the ghosts can shapeshift, but that's in their universe, and its a pretty weak excuse. DP ghosts are physically able to age and function biologically like a human, and the only one that actually is capable of shapeshift is Bertrand. Spectra was shown to age, which wasn't under her control. And we saw from Box lunch that ghosts are able reproduce. Same goes with Dan. If he changed his style like you said, how was he able to grow taller, more muscular and change his voice? From what we saw when Phantom fused with Plasmius, the only changes were his skin, eyes and hair. Everything else was still Danny. Over the course of 10 years, his body must have gone through biological changes in order for him to become tall and gain that amount of muscle.
Coming back to my point, you said Ember must have eaten a lot to gain that much weight. Again, that's a biological change, because I doubt Ember would actually willingly change her appearance to what she was in TUE. Also brushing Johnny' s wheelchair aside, he was shown to be balding. Again, biological change. The Box Ghost was shown to have gained quite a bit of muscle. And if what you said was true, why wouldn't he have tried to change his appearance before when he was still a weak foe? That would have come in handy.
All of these points are from the show itself and contradict your theory. And that is my final word on that matter. If you choose to argue more on this matter, I won't reply. This was all from the show itself and not my own idea. the reason why it was still going because you are getting overly defensive and you seem to think I'm trying to actively force you to change it when I already said I wasn't. You brought up your side of the debate and I brought up mine, and you retaliate by trying to make your theory seem correct. Other people will come and debate this as well. I was only here to say what I needed to say, and you took it upon yourself to readily defend your motives like I was going to tell you off for not doing something.
And that really isn't fair to me. All I said was that Sam looked older opposed to the other two. If you act like that toward one comment, what would happen if multiple people came to critique you? What if they noticed something and you're suddenly defending yourself as to why that is? My friend Lailah pointed something out and you assumed she was trying to degrade you. With that attitude, it's clear you're not ready for critiques. Critiques mean you should be ready and open for debate, willing to listen to the other person and potentially taking in New ideas, without having to defend your actions.
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Okay, let me be the adult here.
I apologize for any trouble I caused. My main purpose here was to say what I thought about the picture, and then you asked what ideas I had that could make them look older.
Presenting your theory to public means people will question it and debate, and since you were debating, I was naturally debating back.
But both Lailah and I were getting frustrated because you were being unnecessarily defensive, and that sparked this long conversation. If we had stuck to talking about physical appearances, maybe this wouldn't have escalated.
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So because an excuse is weak, it isn't plausible? Both our excuses are weak because we aren't Butch Hartman so yeah. That happened. Dan could also resort to his 14 year old Danny persona which, if memory serves, he was shorter than Dan. Dan is a combination of Vlad and Danny? His voice was most likely going to have to change somehow. I mean, he's a fusion. I would like to think that his voice changed. Plus he was able to switch his voice when he was disguised as his younger self, so yeah. That voice point you tried to make is weak. So I do believe that he was able to morph his appearance. When Vlad "goes ghost' his top half changes, right? He's scrawny as Masters and bulkier up top as Plasmius. I assume it's because, unlike Danny, he wants to make sure that he isn't identified as both, though the Superman effect seems to plague the citizens of the DP world.
We don't know how the show works, we can only assume. You have your assumptions and I have mine. I don't understand why you're still keeping this going but okay.
Box Lunch may be the daughter of the Box Ghost and Lunch Lady, but let's be honest, we never really saw how that came up, did we? There could be plenty of ways they could have came up with Box Lunch. I've never actually seem a ghost have to go to the bathroom...or eat. I mean, they had that Christmas Goose for the annual truce, but we never saw them eat. I assume that ghosts wouldn't need to fornicate either. In fact, I think that they made her by combining they're own ghostly DNA with out the use of Box Ghost sticking his penis into the Lunch Lady's vagina.
I doubt that Vlad would have put all of his eggs in one basket like he did on Phantom Planet, but he did, didn't he?
Hey, when you're depressed, you'd do anything, and let's not forget, Dan's ghostly wail is strong. Usually small animals make themselves look dead to bigger animals to get them to leave them alone. You can assume that all of the ghosts did the same thing. The only exception to that is Box Ghost. I have to admit that he looked pretty badass in comparison to the others. I believe that Dan managed to rid Johnny of his bike. Johnny, to me, was the cool greasy biker guy with his girlfriend. Take away his bike then he would probably wouldn't care about his appearance. Kitty would do something similar since those two seemed to be bound. Again, that's my personal theory.
Like I said, you and I can both pick and choose things to support our theories, but all they are theories. Until Butch Hartman makes a claim, it does not matter. There are definitely some points that contradict what I say and there are some to support what I say as well. You can choose to ignore them, but just know that they are there. I'm not saying that you're wrong nor am I saying that I am right. I am saying that I am entitled to my theories and speculations just like you're entitled to yours.
Yes, turn this back on me. I merely stated why I didn't think Danny would grow as fast as everyone else. You're the one who took it upon yourself to start a debate and try to debunk everything I said. I was merely defending my views and my reasoning. If you wanted to avoid this, all you had to was respect my opinion and not give me yours. All I wanted was a critique, not your version of why characters grow certain ways when others do not.
Act like what exactly? My reply to you simply gave you a reason why I thought Danny wouldn't progress as quickly, I then said that you were glad you thought Sam looked older, and that I possibly could've added more to Tucker but my other friends said that he looked good enough. I then asked you you opinion on how to make them appear older.
You then began to tell about boys and their growth spurts to which our debate began.
Don't even bring Filly into this. I don't even understand why she had to even be a part of this. That basically tells me that you either can't handle trying to force your opinions on someone else or you just want to try to make a fool out of someone. I didn't send a link to any of my friends telling them to come in here and help me debate, and believe me when I say that I have plenty of them who wouldn't be as nice as I'm being not or serious for that matter. I can't even begin to fathom the reason why you would put someone else into a conversation that was between the two of us unless you wanted backup or something.
Critique: a careful judgment in which you give your opinion about the good and bad parts of something (such as a piece of writing or a work of art)
The only good thing I got from you was that Sam looked older. The rest was you telling me that the show contradicted my theories when in actuality the show also confirms some of my theories an raises more questions. Instead of giving me the rundown of the show, give me advice on how to shape my character like proportion wise or how to make the background better. Don't try to play this off like you're critiquing me because what you're actually doing is telling me that my stuff doesn't make sense in comparison to a show with concepts that don't make since to begin with. Half ghosts? Come on now, really? When critiquing someone, don't give them a rundown of the show. It's not like I wrote a a story and pulled a Dragon Ball Evolution.
Anyway, like you said, I'm done with this debate. It's three in the morning, and we're getting nowhere. In the end, it's all a matter of opinion and neither of ours matters because it's all about Mr. Hartman. Anyway, sorry if this you're upset not, but seeing as how this was turned into a debate and a debate is all about defending what you think is right, well, you can't blame me. Anyway, whatever, it's done.
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You know, I fail to see the point about debating over the logic of how a ghost could age or could not age. So far the only claim Butch Hartman ever made about the ghosts in the show is that they are not actual ghosts but creatures made out of ectoplasm just so he can explain how Box Ghost and Lunch Lady were able to make a kid. Even that claim was barely brought up because when the series was made, Hartman didn't seem so eager to explain any form of logic about the biology of ghosts.
So far, I'm fine with Pisces19's idea of why Danny slowly ages. It makes more sense as than why most characters in any cartoon stay the same again for God knows how many years. As far as this picture goes, it's nicely done. It's not the greatest of older looking DP characters, but it's still nicely done and I really see no point in arguing over how one person interprets the biology of a ghost. Serious, the biology of a ghost? Since when has there ever been a set of universal rules that explains what ghosts can and cannot do?
Still Pisces, this is a good picture and I say keep on doing what you do.
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Just popping in here for a second don't mind me~
But you do forget Vlad didn't you?
For one, he aged quite a bit, at the same rate as Jack and Maddie, so your delayed puberty is pretty false. Especially since he got rid of the ecto acne for a while. This probably through puberty.
You also do realize Vlad's own outfit changed from his younger self to his older self, he didn't have the same t-shirt and jeans anymore.
Just wanted to point that out.
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No I didn't forget Vlad, but he isn't really the topic of the discussion. Yes, he did have a bit of age on him, but remember that was over twenty years ago and he wasn't exactly stricken with the same amount of energy as Danny was. He was merely struck in his face while Danny was struck throughout his entire body. Also, if you remember Ultimate Enemy, it was a ten year time jump and the only thing really different about Vlad was his shaggy appearance.
As for the ecto-acne, you're right, he got rid of it for a while, but it did come back. People get zits all the time.
I do realize that Vlad's outfit changed, but again that was a twenty year time frame from when he was in college to him being a successful business man, and he still wore the same suit in every episode that he was in. Again the topic for discussion was for Danny and not Vlad.
Also I am aware that he didn't have to have the same t-shirt and jeans. Like I said I couldn't think of anything more creative.
I don't understand why you find the need to have to point this out to me when the conversation was between Jaxxy and I. It seems like every time I make a valid point you come in and try to downgrade whatever I say. It leads me to believe that either you and Jaxxy are the same person or you're just always online when she is. Either way, the delayed puberty response is a valid argument because Vlad still appeared to be aging slowly, but not as slowly as Danny.
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Hmm, Are we arguing on the topic of how SHE drew HER OWN interpretation of character that never progressed in age...AT ALL, making it supremely difficult to determine what they looked like when the got older. If so that would be rude. What she did was her opinion that she expressed to the best of her abilities in art form.(or she may have not tried at all to purposely lead foolish stickler fans to argue needlessly)
Now if Butch Hartman himself came on here and said "No, Sam turns Legally blonde and Tucker joins the Ghost Hunters team from Syfy as a consultant and janitor", Fans would be in an outrage but will be forced to accept it for what it is....Why? Because they are his characters. I'm sure if Mr. Hartman wanted us to have an idea of how HIS characters would look like in 10years he would have followed up with a new season. What this means is he allowed the fans to use they're imagination about such petty things*cough*7 years later when most dannys fans are in they're 20s*cough*
As far as "age progression" goes I didn't get any facial hair until i was 21(I will upload a smexy photo later)
TLDR: Who cares how someone interprets a character. And if we are going to Critique a piece of work,stated the your concern AND your solution in the first message so it won't be thought of as an attack (Like the First comment appears)
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Yes, because saying Sam looked older compared to the other two was totally an attack.
I only stumbled upon this picture while browsing DP art, and I didn't check to see if she was open for critiques or not. I waited to see what she would say and replied accordingly, seeing if she could benefit from from my instruction or not. I don't know her well enough to know if she likes a critique on the first comment or not :/
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Hmm, I can see you meant well,I think....But why open with a criticizing (critiquing and criticizing are different but commonly misused) comment instead of completing your critique right then and there. A simple "Your doing well..." would be a more sufficient comment if your just testing the waters. Example: You would never tell a toddler who just learn to put they're own shoes "Your laces are untied" and proceed walk away.
S.note:
Criticizing is an open ended comment that compares one result with another, Negatively.
Critiquing is similar to Criticizing because it too is a negative comparison, BUT also provides a path or solution to the problem.
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Thank you.
Thank you very much.
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Whether Vlad was the topic of discussion or not, he still plays a vital role. He is a halfa, Danny is a halfa, we don't exactly know how much ecto DNA they both received now do we? You also must realize that the brain is in the same area as the head, and that could drastically change the way he ages rather than it just going through his body in general. It was ALL aimed at his brain. There could have been defects, abnormalities, etc. But there weren't. The brain controls everything in the body, which also controls growth and how much growth hormone is distributed through the body at one time. In reality, Vlad should have grown much differently, but he did not, he grew up at the pace of both Maddie and Jack. And do YOU remember that in Ultimate Enemy when we see Vlad after the 10 years, he does not have a ghost half anymore? I recall it pulled out Danny's human half and melded with his ghost half.
Yes, and I know that. But again, if he didn't have a cure before, then puberty took it's course. Why did he go to Danny when it appeared the second time? Most likely because he was an old man and there was no more puberty to help him out of it as quickly. (This is just an opinion though, not fact)
Again, whether it is Danny or Vlad, they are both a similar thing, Halfas. If we want any information about growing up and puberty we go to Vlad because he went through that.
Clothe sites? Polyvore? Those are some pretty good sites.
I don't always come in and downgrade whatever you say, I haven't even talked to you really before now. Why are you getting so defensive? I am simply trying to help you with a bit of a debate. I am not trying to "downgrade" you as you say. And I come into this conversation because I had a thought that Jaxxy did not, so I put my two cents in. Yes me and Jaxxy are the same person OBVIOUSLY, I am Chelsi in disguise, you found me out, blah blah. And I say it is not valid because it struck his brain rather than just around his body, Danny got the DNA but he didn't receive it solely in his brain which could have stunted his growth.
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There was an episode where Vlad didn't get any ghost powers and his hair still was white. It seems to me that when he got his ghost powers it merely accelerated what he already was going to have. (Premature Graying)
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We also don't know what all was effected. We're merely speculating and voicing our opinions on what happened.
The pituitary gland releases hormones that effect growth and relays messages to the body and brain. It is located in the center of your skull. I'd say Vlad got hit there and it triggered this gland which made him age. Danny's DNA, since I believe he's taken in more energy than Vlad, could have gone through the same thing, but he could be aging slowly. We don't know. We can't know. Not unless Mr. Hartman decides to grace us with all of the facts which I doubt even he knows. I don't think he figured that people would take the show, the characters, and their development so seriously. I mean, I have my theories on how things are done just like you, so I don't see why I have to sit here and read about why something doesn't make sense or explain my reasoning. I've never bothered any of you and tried to push my reasons on to you whether they made sense or not.
Oh yes, the Ultimate Enemy episode. I say that since his pituitary gland released so many growth hormones at once which caused him to age quickly, that it ended up slowing down. That is why he remained looking the same, and now that his ghost half is gone, he will probably begin to age normally.
Um, acne doesn't disappear completely in everyone. I suggest you look up adult acne. :/
As for why he would go to Danny...well, maybe it's because Danny's parents were his college friends and experts on ghost. Danny and his family could possibly find something that he couldn't? Or maybe it was a way for Mr. Hartman to let us see how the original trio's past went and what would happen if Danny was to change the incident which gave Vlad his powers. Again, we don't know.
Like I said to Jaxxy, I have images of clothing saved to my laptop, but just having them saved doesn't mean I'm instantly going to know how to draw them. I keep saying that I need practice. If you haven't noticed, all of my characters clothing look pretty generic. It's because I'm still working on it.
The incident with my character Wildfire. You came along after Jaxxy and I had been chatting. You know, saying that how he died wasn't really believable because it rarely happens. Just because it rarely happens doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen often.
I believe I have a bit of a right to get defensive, especially when a conversation between two people turns into a conversation of three with one person having to "debate" her reasoning to two separate people. You can understand why it would feel like I'm being teamed up on, though I'm sure it's not what you're trying to do.
You needn't be sarcastic. I mean, think about it. Every encounter I have with you is only after I bring up evidence well supporting my decisions. Forgive me if I offended you for thinking that you and her are the same person since this isn't the first time this has happened. My mistake if you aren't the same person and whatever if you are.
It is a very valid point because Danny and Vlad are two different people who had very different encounters with the ghost portal. It's like saying that I got hit by a car and someone else got hit by a car we'd have the same ailments. Nah. Doesn't work like that.
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Right. But this could also mean that Butch Hartman meant for all of them to grow like regular humans, we don't know. So basically until he lets us know, we both could be wrong.
Possibly yes.
Weren't you the one that said all people are different? Researching on adult acne would not do much of anything seeing as we don't know Vlad exactly as Hartman does, he could have a long history of adult acne, or like my dad, not have acne symptoms at all. You never know. People are different as you've pointed out.
Right, okay.
Look look, I read this comment after Chelsi linked it to me and she asked me if I was going to say something. We are friends, we share opinions and help each other. I thought I'd voice my own thought is all. It is not a conversation of three people when the two people have completely different points, thoughts and personalities. Again, I was simply pointing out a thought that might have helped. I wasn't trying to be rude.
Well you needn't be defensive. There has only been one other encounter. What do you mean every encounter? It's not like I go onto every picture you do to give you grief, I was merely trying to give you something to think about, debate about, which MIGHT help you. I am only trying to help. And to keep you from anymore arguments you might come across. There are worse people than me.
Right, okay. He is still the only link, besides Dani, to the halfa insight. But yes, you have a point.
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You're the one who brought up Vlad and his ecto-acne, saying that Danny didn't have acne when Vlad did and that it was because of puberty. I'm merely commenting on what you gave me. Vlad was an adult with acne.
Please explain your definition of a conversation please, because I don't understand what you mean. I mean, you and Jaxxy seem to have the same opinion whereas mine are different from yours? I'm confused. Also why would she link you asking if you were going to comment. I understand that you're friends and all, I have then too, but why would you need to comment on something that was only between the two of use. I didn't screen shot or link the whole wildfire incident and ask my friends to comment on me whether it was for support or opposition. Sorry, but that seems a little fishy to me. I understand that you aren't trying to be rude, and neither am I.
Our first encounter and this one. That's two for two i.e. every encounter thus far.
Not all people are receptive of debates especially when it is, or should be, quite clear, that the other person has their mind made up and is taking what you're saying into consideration. The conversation had started with Danny and then you brought up Vlad, a person who is different from Danny. There are many factors, so I understand the comparison, but at the same time...they're different.
I appreciate what I believe you're trying to do, but so far the only arguments or debates I seem to have is with you and Jaxxy. It could be my fault or it could not be.
That is true. He is the only link which makes things that much harder and debatable. You have a point as well, especially since this is all speculation and theories.
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I said nothing about Danny not getting acne and Vlad did...? Huh? I just stated that I believe, my own speculation, that puberty got rid of the ecto acne the first time...
...I merely had an opinion about adding Vlad...? I don't even know what she is talking about...I was really just trying to state something...I merely wanted to give you something to think about...really you're taking this out of proportion...
She merely wanted to show me a conversation, I asked her what she was doing and she told me...it wasn't a plan to bully you. Again, I asked her to show me, she did and I talked to her about another point. She then asked me if I would comment and I did, just trying to show you something...I didn't know you took Vlad into account...
Okay fine! Whatever! I'm DONE! I'LL LEAVE JEEZUS CHRIST.
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Forgive me, I read that too fast, although you have to admit that is where it sounded like it was going.
Honestly, you have given me something to think about.
So you basically joined in the conversation without reading what Jaxxy was saying to begin with? I would think that if she did send you a link you would at least skim what we both typed because we did type plenty. I wouldn't blame you for skimming over it.
I honestly don't believe that I am taking this out of proportion when I am trying to defend myself and what I think could possibly have happened. I mean, you're the one that said that this was a debate to give me things to think about? I'm sure you've heard the term 'heated debate'. That's what this is, isn't it? Girls having a heated debate over what they love, right?
I still find it a little unnerving that she would even ask you to intervene in the first place. It may not have been intended to be bullying or teaming up on my, but you can understand why it would seem like that, right? It's like me asking my friend to comment on your picture about characters who you haven't even included in the picture, and then comparing them to other characters. I mean, we can compare Casper and Klempar until we're blue in the face. They're both ghosts, they both want friends, but they're different even though they're both ghosts just like Danny and Vlad are different even though they're both Halfas.
I don't know what Jeezus Christ has to do with this...
Anyway, sorry if I've annoyed you or angered you, but hey, you came to my profile right? Some times things don't turn out how we plan them to go, even if our intentions were good. Not everyone responds the same way as we or others do, and you really have to watch out for that.
Maybe next time if you have a way for me to better way for me to better my character aside from the change of clothes whatever else was already stated, then you could do so without bringing other characters into play.
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I apologize. Forgive me for my outburst but my anger was building. I am a very hot-headed person sometimes and today was not a good day. I'm sorry. But please, leave me alone all the same. I will not reply or read this reply again because it will induce anger once more. Goodbye.
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Apology accepted, and I understand. I can get pretty angry and sarcastic myself. I'm genuinely sorry as well, and I will leave you alone.
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I DONT FUCKING CARE ANYMORE GO THE FUCK AWAY AND STOP REPLYING. I DONT CARE WHAT THIS DOES TO HOW I LOOK BUT SERIOUSLY I DONT EVEN FUCKING CARE I WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU AND ALL YOU DO IS DO THIS. YOU'RE BEING A BIT OF A BITCH YOU KNOW THAT? NOW LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.
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