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Published: 2015-10-02 08:20:05 +0000 UTC; Views: 4433; Favourites: 25; Downloads: 3
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So here is this weeks and it's gonna be the last Solarshadow of the anniversary and I will start doing the other comics instead for the next two weeks. I know it might be a bit trolly with the moment I've been building up to coming at hand there... but the thing is. I run a candy store, and Halloween is coming up, so we're gonna be getting a lot more busy in the preparation weeks. So I'm going to probably be relying on my reserve comics that I made ahead of time to keep up with the releases and unfortunately, Solarshadow doesn't have any at the moment, just Shing C and Catch Me if You Can. However I will be working on Solarshadow's reserve comics in the mean time to make up for that. Though I am considering something special for November that might delay that further (you will see Solarshadow again this month either way though).Anyway as for the comic itself. This gets into something the franchise has never really given a straight answer on really. That being, can you steal a trainer owned Pokemon if the ball hit them? Now I haven't done this in the recent games, I figure it's the same result, but before what would happen is the trainer would come out and block the ball, telling you not to be a thief, then the battle would continue (you waste your turn). Now I don't think there's been a game where the ball hit them in the main series line. If memory serves, I believe that they would be stolen if that happened in the manga, somebody can confirm or deny that (I don't have my comics anymore =C). I don't really watch the anime but I recall Team Rocket never once doing that and instead always using like nets and such, so my guess is it doesn't work there (Mewtwo's balls don't count since they were specially designed... god that sounded ridiculously suggestive XD). Now I argue, it would do nothing. I base that on three things.
Number one, in Pokemon Colosseum, they had to create a device to make a pokeball do that. It seem weird if they did that already, why bother making the device to do that? Now some people don't consider those games cannon or whatever so my other two refer to the main series games. In the games, we have encountered evil teams and criminals hundreds of times, yet they have never once attempted to do that (keep in mind ones like Team Plasma and Rocket, who specifically want to steal Pokemon), not only against our Pokemon but on other peoples. Even ones they did steal, like the Wingull in the gen 3 games or the Slowpokes in gen 2 games. It would seem if they could steal them in a pokeball, that be the way they would do it, not grab the thing and run for the hills. Implying that throwing the ball wouldn't work at all in the first place. The final thing, in Pokemon Origins, Red actually does hit a trainer owned Nidoran F with a pokeball. when it does, a little shield blocks it and the Nidoran isn't sucked up at all. Showing at least there it is 100% without a doubt impossible to do that with, now whether you count that towards the games or the anime is up to you but I count that to the games, since that special focuses heavily on the actual game. So those are my reasons and in Solarshadow, that is how it works, if they are trainer owned, they can;t be captured. However if they are formally released from the trainer that caught them, then they can be.
So there you have it, my three reasons why the Ultra ball didn't do jack-s*** to Goodra here. I like playing with expectations and I think I lead you guys down the wrong path pretty good. Pretty much everybody last week was saying the reason it would fail is because it had like a 11% success rate to catch. Nope, it never even had 1% chance in the first place. This also means that Goodra has her ball somewhere and just like Nymphia, she is technically Trainer owned as well. That also means that Nymphia is immune to being re-captued in that way too, since she still has hers as well. Rotaar, Drake, Toxin, Blaze, Tyler, Ian, Solar, and Shadow however are purely wild, they can be captured in one like normal. Currently Goodra and Nymphia are the only "wild" Pokemon that are immune to it, whether there will be others or not is unknown (and obviously that means Green's Typhlosion and Jade's Growlithe, Pyro are immune to it too).
Well with that out of the way hope you enjoy and next week Red and Mewtwo duke it out some more.
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my first thought when she cuaght the ball: "This grunt is f@$ed." Another great comic. Can't wait for the next one
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Thanks, will be coming soon
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I'm so glad someone finally dobted about that. I also did and been thnking captured Pokemon would be protected, but then...how?
I don't consider magic, even if talking about fairy type Pokemon. It would be pretty scary to think that Pokemon's DNA got modified by Pokeball of it's protected.
I can understand Porygon line, but not all other Pokemon...
I don't remember any straight answers in Pokemon fandom, too; I have read Manga years ago, maybe I don't watch anime, but friends tell me about interesting details knowing I'm buidling my own poke-universe. I haven't caught anything in games...maaaybe there was somethig in Black 2 / White 2, but I haven't played them.
I think in games when we are in official battle, we must follow rules and savoir-vivre of Pokemon World, especially that main characters which we play are under 18 years old, so they rather follow such serious rules, that's how I personally see it. Like you can't run from the battle.
1st, maybe captured Pokemon gets covered by thin layer which allows its Pokeball to quickly scan the data, so with its ID the other Pokeball can't "overwrite" this layer?
I sound general here, but I have in mind the technology of making hydrophobic layer to cover for example a phone. Pokemon world seems to have commonly advanced and specific technology.
2nd, the Pokemon could get captured, but if trainer's PC storage system will detect same ID number which got changed(so quicly noticeable among all data in whole system), the police would get called. Let's make police just too busy over smaller and often fake emergency while typical evil teams go freely through the whole region as it's in games.
I wrote those two options as I'm curious what do you think about those...because I also wanna point this out and share in my stories hehe
It's would be even more nice if you would show a shot of Pokeball hitting Goodra and then it would fall....a moment of wonder and suspence -then I would see Rocket grunt shocked face as Goodra picked up the Pokeball. Just my vision, might you will use such idea someday. I also love to play on leading readers in a wrong or fearful way while things go different...it's always lovely to see!
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My answer has always been the Pokeball captures them in the first place because they have an energy signature (Type related powers maybe?). My thought was that signature is kind of like finger prints, no two is the same, so if the ball hits one that has already been registered, it will fail. However if the ball that registered it is destroied or the owner releases them, then the registry is forgotten. My guess is that registry would stop them from being stolen in that way too, like if you stole the ball itself. Kind of like if you try to sell a stolen car, you would be found out due to not being the registered owner of it.
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The explanation is that a Pokeball marks the Pokemon, and Pokeballs won't catch marked Pokemon (apart from their own mark). That requires some kind of wireless network, since the mark is removed if the Pokeball is destroyed. The mark could be imprinted on the Pokemon's energy signature (since supposedly Pokeballs convert them to an energy state) or it could be something like an RFID tag denoting the owning trainer that can be scanned by other Pokeballs.
Personally I'm not a big fan of the mainstream explanation, so I use an alternate backstory and technology for Pokeballs in my stories (which I have on DA, if you want to look at it). I think it fills in a lot of the gaps in the mainstream explanation (full rant in the post).
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The anime gave an answer. Charmander, at first, couldn't be caught, possibly because it was still loyal to his original owner Damian. However, it doesn't really explain why Charmander was able to be caught later. Either Damian released it (doubtful), Charmander's loyalty shifted to Ash, or Charmander had spent enough time away from its Pokeball (not just outside) to lose its anti-catch registry. There's also a fourth possibility, that the Charmander/Pikachu combo managed to fry Charmander's Pokeball, but I feel it would have been addressed in-episode if it was the case. Since you mentioned that Goodra still has her ball, the third option fits the best for this situation.
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I remember that episode, though I remember Chamrander just kind of hoping in it, and I don't recall if Damina (that was the guys name?) released it or not. I remember he abandoned it, so he might have officially released it, whatever that process involves. It's been a while since I saw that but I don't recall it shaking and all that like it did with Caterpie, so Charmander might have just forced it to work too, when it normally wouldn't since he wanted to be with Ash. He also refused to return I think, so that might have some merit. I don't know, I'll have to watch that episode again to be sure on some of those things.
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well, in the anime, Charmander broke out like a normal pokemon and hit the ball away. They really didn't go into the already caught part. Damian probably released it when he told it on the it to stay on the rock. But this is just my opinion/speculation
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To repeat Brock's words. "Charmander was too weak to battle, hence could be caught easily." Also, compare the noises/shakes for the Ep1 Pidgey and Charmander. Charmander had no shake, different electrical whirring, and auto-release. It seemed like Ash's Pokeball recognized that Charmander wasn't released, and didn't even try to catch him, hence the different behavior.
A potential theory as to how Pokeballs can identify individual Pokemon, even of the same species, is through genetic imprint. While the numbers vary among scientists, they say anywhere between 8% and 80% of human DNA is necessary. I'm pretty sure that Pokemon also have unneeded DNA structures, or can have additional DNA with no biological purpose inserted. If Pokeballs work through either the data theory or the shrink theory, it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that Pokeballs can read and manipulate the unneeded genetic codes. Hence, if a tamed Pokemon is caught, the ball could read the ID tag and recognize that fact. If an expired time stamp was included in the genetic imprint, or if Pokemon could choose to abandon trainers and let the new Pokeball know, then they could be re-caught.
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true. But that Charmander was nearly undyingly loyal to Damian, up until the end of the episode.
perhaps iits will helped it. We'll never really know. But your theory does hold ground. Mine is based on emotions, but that one is based on science. Yours would probably be the more accurate one though.
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We may never be sure how Charmander switched trainers. However, another evidence for pro-caught tampering is in episode 1. Spearow was able to identify Pikachu as a caught Pokemon, when Pikachu wasn't near Ash nor obeying him. This seems to suggest that Pokeballs tamper with its Pokemon, and while it is minimal, it's just enough for other Pokemon to notice.
I think the answer to how Pokeballs work is hidden in the anime. First, they can be either voice activated (by either trainer or Pokemon) or thrown. This is shown with the St. Ann Gentleman who merely held his Pokeball while commanding release and Psyduck during the Togepi tournament (I assume he called himself back vocally during the 'Tickle' attack). Second, Pokemon are aware of the outside world. How else can Pokemon time themselves to the Team Rocket Motto?
Now, as to how Pokemon are contained. There are two separate theories. There's the data/shrink, and the plain/paradise. I won't deny the possibility of special Pokeballs (such as the Dusk, Dive, and Luxury) having special inner worlds. But if every regular Pokeball tailored itself to be paradise to the Pokemon, why would they resist being caught, or why would Pikachu, as Dexter says in episode 1, "hate being confined"?
As for data/shrink, most of the evidence can go either way, but one piece of evidence can have two opposite results. Whether electronic or physical, there's a limit as to how large a Pokemon can be caught, as evidenced by the giant Claydol. Film Theory recently released a video explaining how Ant-Man missed a fact about how its own shrinking ability works. Basically, if a being/thing is compressed without losing the number of atoms, it can become a black hole, and they weigh the same no matter what size. Hence, we have three clues for data. First, Ash was able to carry Snorlax and others on his waist. Second, Claydol may have been too massive for any Pokeball to shrink safely, and hence they use data. Third, if a Pokeball is only shrinking the contained, the Claydol could try to break it from the inside (Hyper Beam VS stone, Hyper Beam eventually wins). On the other hand, an ancient Stone Pokeball likely has less data storage capabilities than a modern Pokeball. So either Pokeball creators, in order to make them cheaper, didn't increase the storage capacities for such extreme circumstances, or the Stone Pokeball had better storage abilities, which could only make sense for shrink theory. Personally, I'm leaning to 'cheapskate' data theory.
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in short, it's complicated. We'll never know, but that does make sense.
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