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PorcelynIvy — You Can't Hide Me Forever

Published: 2007-05-08 00:14:50 +0000 UTC; Views: 8552; Favourites: 26; Downloads: 0
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Description This 4th piece is in response to the idea of the symbol of the fish, being stolen by Christianity, from the ancient goddess religions. My research has found that originally, the fish was known as "the Great Mother," a pointed oval sign, the "vesica piscis" or Vessel of the Fish. "Fish" and "womb" were synonymous terms in ancient Greek,"delphos." Its link to fertility, birth, feminine sexuality and the natural force of women was acknowledged also by the Celts, as well as pagan cultures throughout northern Europe. The irony is that many Christians today, are unaware that that one of their preeminent religious symbols antedated the Christian religion has its roots in pagan fertility awareness and sexuality. In this piece I have created a woman, similar to the other three, regurgitating the fish from within her.
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Comments: 16

SaurahLavia [2009-04-12 22:22:50 +0000 UTC]

Love this, absolutely beautiful...
And finally! An intelligent explanation... reminds me of today, Happy Easter-- or Eoster.
If only they knew what they are "really" advocating, something the bible/Judeo-Christian beliefs opposes and has oppressed for the past 6,000 years.
Ugh.

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DraculaAzuri [2008-12-16 04:07:51 +0000 UTC]

i love the concept and the composition.

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Illucieon [2008-03-25 17:24:03 +0000 UTC]

This series is fascinating.

I especially am interested in this piece as it deals with some of the themes I am very interested in-the overlap or direct absorption of pagan themes by Christianity. I have looked more at salmon in the fish vein, as very important to far reaching ancient cultures from the life giving 'slamon-people' of the northwest coast natives to 'fintan' the celtic salmon of knowledge. Your feminist take on this is insightful and beautifully executed.

Great series.

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ewaldb [2007-06-20 14:15:19 +0000 UTC]

I hardly ever fav someone's work twice, but I really like this. I wonder why she has dirty shit running down her leg, any meaning behind that or me just seeing stuff again?

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Design-Me-Anew [2007-06-14 23:08:21 +0000 UTC]

i don't believe it matters what the fish USED to be symbolic for. What matters is what Christians interperate it to be. In a time when Christian's were the most persicuted, Christians used the symbol of the Igthus 'fish' to recognize other Christians.

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PorcelynIvy In reply to Design-Me-Anew [2007-06-17 18:34:27 +0000 UTC]

ancient symbolism and historical situations vary in so many ways as they have been passed down over time, that it's very interesting for me to hear other viewpoints on the specific topic i covered in this piece. just a side note, this piece is about the relationship between ancient struggles that women undergo and current ones. It's about the "idea" that the symbol of the fish was stollen from ancient goddess religions and what the symbol stood for in those religions...not what it became to stand for in christianity.

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Design-Me-Anew In reply to PorcelynIvy [2007-06-18 00:07:52 +0000 UTC]

i'm not saying that it doesn't matter [point blank], i simply stated that to me specifically, i could not care less what it stood for.

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PorcelynIvy In reply to PorcelynIvy [2007-06-17 18:35:46 +0000 UTC]

ALSO! why doesn't it matter what the fish used to stand for. We are talking about a symbol that is used in basically ALL early religions....it's quite selfish to say that the fish symbol used in Christianity is the only symbol that really matters.....Or am i interpreting you incorrectly?

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PorcelynIvy In reply to Design-Me-Anew [2007-06-17 18:30:02 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for sharing that.

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Design-Me-Anew In reply to PorcelynIvy [2007-06-18 00:38:11 +0000 UTC]

i'm glad you're so open-minded, i've come in contact with a lot of people that would have been offended. And would come up with a lame argument like, "Why are you trying to shove your beliefs down my throat?"
i don't believe i was doing that though. So, thank you.

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PorcelynIvy In reply to Design-Me-Anew [2007-06-18 01:15:36 +0000 UTC]

Being narrow minded is just a waste of time. I'm a fan of discussions and feel that when two people, who come from very different viewpoints, give each other the chance to converse about what it is they believe, something beautiful right there is created.

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Design-Me-Anew In reply to PorcelynIvy [2007-06-18 12:26:09 +0000 UTC]

Well said.

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Dreamyvolver [2007-06-14 14:27:48 +0000 UTC]

Love the symbols. 3-3 + The head/mind. And like Vitiare said I thought about the anorexia/bulimia-puking too. Lovely really.

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PorcelynIvy In reply to Dreamyvolver [2007-06-18 01:13:31 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much

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Super-glued [2007-05-08 15:53:57 +0000 UTC]

I like how you had her regurgitating the fish as if she were "purging", and Christianity being the cause of her infertility and suppressed sexuality. Just as America's unrealistic standards on beauty contribute to anorexia and bulimia. That's how I interpret it. If i'm wrong please correct me. I would like to understand this piece fully.

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PorcelynIvy In reply to Super-glued [2007-06-09 03:36:25 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for the extremely delayed response. I definitely see your interpretation playing a big part. I provided an explanation under the piece, which explains where I was coming from when I created it. Your viewpoint is VERY insightful and greatly appreciated! Thank you so much for your interest in my work!

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