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Description If you claim to love animals but you are eating them or products made from them, or otherwise consuming them, you see loving as consistent with harming that which you claim to love. You don’t have to love animals to recognize that it is immoral and unjust to exploit them. But if you do love animals, and you continue to participate in their exploitation, you need to rethink your idea of what love means. What you believe morally is not a matter of what you say but what you do. If you say that you love animals or that you agree that animals have moral value, but you eat, wear, or otherwise use animals, what you say is just nonsense. 

- Francione

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Humane slaughter oxymoron
An OXYMORON is a figure of speech in which two conflicting, opposing or contradictory words are combined.

Bitter sweet.
Love-hate.
Awfully good.
Same difference.
 HUMANE SLAUGHTER.

The term humane slaughter is actually an oxymoron because by definition, humane means to be kind or gentle, or to show or have compassion or benevolence. Synonyms also include merciful, gracious and friendly.
And to slaughter is to KILL or TORTURE a creature. That is a VIOLENT act. Not one of kindness, gentleness, mercy, compassion or benevolence.

To breed a being into existence for the sole purpose of soon slaughtering and dismembering them, is the epidemic of dominance and violence and is ANYTHING BUT humane.

But as meat and dairy sales continue to decline because more people are waking up to the reality of what animals go through for their byproducts and their flesh to make it to our plates and more delicious cruelty-free alternatives become available, more campaigns, advertisements, signs and labels portraying the slaughter, exploitation and dismembering of animals as humane, are going to continue to irrupt like cancer cysts. If you’re going to the meat department of your grocery store right now, you can probably find 5-7 companies that have some sort of “certified humane” or “compassionate” logo or sigh around their meat products because people are starting to wake up and the truth about what animals are going through is being exposed. So instead of moving towards an actual passionate lifestyle, meat and dairy companies and suppliers are trying to portray meat and dairy as compassionate, kind things for animals. Like a new display in the meat department of Whole Foods which says “A hearty helping of animal compassion with every order.”

BULLSHIT.

Paying for killing an animal is NOT compassion for animals. Any more than killing a human is compassion for a human or killing a dog is compassion for a dog.  
Killing animals isn’t compassionate. It’s cruel and it’s violent.

My friend, you cannot “kindly” kill an animal that doesn’t want to die.

You can kill a sensitive creature but it’s never going to be kind, it’s never going to be compassionate and it’s never going to, by definition, be humane.
As Andrea Kladar said: “To examine whether something is “humane”, first determine if you would want it done to you.

And just the other day, in Whole Foods, in the meat department, I saw this sign that says: “5-step animal welfare rating system”. (Similar to the stars of the Dierenbescherming in The Netherlands) “Your way of knowing how the animal was raised.”
I mean, even that’s total bullshit! No yellow sticker in the meat deli is actually gonna show you HOW that animal was raised. But what can show you is undercover investigation. Like an undercover investigation from a couple of months ago into a “humane” hog farm that supplies meat to Whole Foods. And what was found was sick, injured pigs with prolapses living in dark filthy conditions, pigs stuck into trucks for over a day at a time, with no water, in high temperatures. And then of course they’re bolted in the head or gassed “humanely”. And then their throats are cut and they bleed out. Tell me Whole Foods, how do you rate the welfare of animals when they’re being gassed, bolted in the head and having their throats slit? One star? Two?  You see, we “humanely” breed our animals into existence, and then “humanely” exploit them,  and then “humanely” force them down in a hallway that reeks of blood and death. “Humanely” bolt them in the head, and gas them, hoist them upside down... “humanely”... and then slit their throats and let them bleed out. I mean, compassion for animals is why we do what we do.

... PSYCHOTIC!

Do people actually buy this crap?! I mean, where does this “certified humane” logo come from? And who certifies a company that’d be able to put it on every single piece of meat they package and sell? Is some committee of meat far-mers who sit around the table and dip a “certified humane” stamp into the blood of their humane killing floor, and then fax it off to be distributed? Or do they just go in and walk around a couple of times and decide: “Yep! Your place is humane! You can put “certified humane” on ALL of your victims’ corpses!”

Listen, it comes down to this:
There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

Because whether it’s factory farmed or organic, the animals always ends up with the same fate. A fate that we would never tolerate for cats or dogs. No matter how humane the butcher, food store, company or package claim it to be.

If you love animals, start eating like it.

- Erin Janus

  

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Comments: 35

SilentViperFanPL [2019-05-18 23:13:22 +0000 UTC]

When I waw a child my father forced me to kill and skin a rabbit twice or thrice. This was a very stressful experience for me. The rabbits suffered greatly because I couldn't kill it swiftly or have the lack of barriers to just hit fatally an animal which I don't hate nor I don't need to kill to survive. I felt remorse and wondered how anyone can do this on daily basis. The blood and smell of organs was all over the place. It was visually and spiritually disgusting. Nevertheless, somehow every time I was able to eat meat the next week normally. I seem to became resistant to brutality and I had no choice to consider being vegan at that time.

But I'm pretty sure that many of those supoosedly manly, tough-looking, masculine gym frequenters from urban environments would consider going vegan if they experienced first-hand what I experienced, what they are actually paying for.

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Pupaveg In reply to SilentViperFanPL [2019-05-19 12:07:41 +0000 UTC]

Believe me, as a former cattle rancher I know what you mean. I feel horrible about raising animals for the sole purpose of killing them. Today I defend them instead of hurting them.

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TragicMoppet [2019-02-12 11:31:37 +0000 UTC]

I have a few questions real quick; 
Does this count for a pet cat/dog/other that gets put down?
And what about pet food for the animals that need meat to survive? Animals need to be killed for that.

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Pupaveg In reply to TragicMoppet [2019-02-12 18:32:07 +0000 UTC]

As Vegan Sidekick said: When an animal is suffering horribly, and you can see that their quality of life is reduced to zero, and a medical professional tells you that there is no hope of recovery and that every moment is a misery, then it makes total sense to have that animal put to death under anaesthetic and with a lethal injection. By comparison, taking a completely healthy animal at a few months old and killing them because you feel like eating their dead body, makes no sense at all if you claim to have any consideration for animals. There is no comparison to be made here. Put yourself in this position - you are suffering horribly and you know you will never survive. Would you consider taking death? Maybe. But if you're living your life in your youth, would you consider it as even remotely comparable to just being murdered because someone felt like it? No.

Whatever a person chooes to feed their companion animals has absolutely nothing to do with what they choose to eat themselves, and what else they choose to boycott. So whether or not you feel that your companion animals require meat to live healthily should have no impact on whether you buy animal products outside of that. There are only two ways of looking at it. If you feel that your companion animal does not need meat to survive, and that there are alternatives that would allow them to live absolutely healthily - then it just makes sense to do that. But if you disagree, and you feel that it's 100% necessary to feed them meat, then in order to care for that animal you'd have to do that. The alternative is ridding yourself of that animal, which most people wouldn't want to do. Fundamentally, these domesticated animals are being bred for our enjoyment, and then once they're born, they can create a burden on the meat industry. The breeding of the animals in the first place is the core of the problem. That should stop, and I encourage people never to buy from a breeder. Adopt from a shelter. That way you are not contributing to the overpopulation of domestic animals in need of a home. 

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TragicMoppet In reply to Pupaveg [2019-02-12 20:01:26 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for your detailed reply, pet food one makes a lot of sense!

just to clear anything up; I was not trying to promote the killing of healthy pets, just was asking about how you view euthanasia for the sick and injured animals that have no other way, my cat had to be put down last teusday so I was wondering.

thank you 

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Pupaveg In reply to TragicMoppet [2019-02-14 13:27:28 +0000 UTC]

When an animal is suffering horribly, and you can see that their quality of life is reduced to zero, and a medical professional tells you that there is no hope of recovery and that every moment is a misery, then it makes total sense to have that animal put to death under anaesthetic and with a lethal injection. By comparison, taking a completely healthy animal at a few months old and killing them because you feel like eating their dead body, makes no sense at all if you claim to have any consideration for animals. There is no comparison to be made here. Put yourself in this position - you are suffering horribly and you know you will never survive. Would you consider taking death? Maybe. But if you're living your life in your youth, would you consider it as even remotely comparable to just being murdered because someone felt like it? No. 

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TragicMoppet In reply to Pupaveg [2019-02-14 13:30:38 +0000 UTC]

. I did read what you said, I just didn't want you to think I was ok with it.

She was older than me and was getting heart failure + fluid in lungs so I think it was right to have her put to sleep, I miss her a lot though

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Pupaveg In reply to TragicMoppet [2019-02-14 13:52:02 +0000 UTC]

Sorry to hear that. I know how you feel, losing a pet is like losing a member of your family. But at least she had a good, long life with you which she enjoyed to the fullest. I lost 2 of my animals last year: they were rabbits, age 10 and 11. I'd like to think that most rabbits don't get to live out their lives in peace like they did. This makes the loss easier on the heart. They were happy and lived peacefully in freedom, and your pet was, too. 

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TragicMoppet In reply to Pupaveg [2019-02-14 14:01:42 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, it's nice to hear this from another pet owner. Your rabbits lived long lives too, you must have cared for them very well.

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Pupaveg In reply to TragicMoppet [2019-02-15 19:10:15 +0000 UTC]

What matters is that we do the best we can for our loved ones to provide them a healthy, good life as long as possible.

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Fe0manTrollware [2019-01-05 03:28:42 +0000 UTC]

you think i eat meat for pleassure? i do it because i need it, my metabolism won't let me survive with just veggies... other alternative is canibalism which is still ilegal where i live

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Pupaveg In reply to Fe0manTrollware [2019-01-07 18:05:11 +0000 UTC]

Humans have no biological need for meat. In fact: it's even unhealthy for us.

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Fe0manTrollware In reply to Pupaveg [2019-01-09 04:49:27 +0000 UTC]

then i am not human...

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MonocerosArts [2018-02-03 22:40:18 +0000 UTC]

In this one you do specifically say animals are stabbed to death, so it’s not surprising that some people think that's what you believe. I'm just saying you might want to emphasize that they're killed in other ways, because people are getting the wrong idea about you from your comics...

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Pupaveg In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-04 08:26:32 +0000 UTC]

Animals are killed in many different ways, which I've explained in my physical book. Judging a whole book by a preview page of it on DA is pretty silly. But regardless of the fashion of execution, there isn't a justification for taking the life. It is still taking the life of a sentient being, for our enjoyment ultimately. And that's the point. The problem is not how they're killed, but the fact that they're killed for this.

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MonocerosArts In reply to Pupaveg [2018-02-04 18:26:24 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know, but my point is that you only ever seem to show a knife. Is there a reason you don't want to vary it with other torture methods? I just feel like the cons (driving away potential readers) isn't worth the pros (aesthetics). It's your art, but since this is supposed to be reaching out and convincing people to go vegan, I didn't think you'd want to drive people away over something like aesthetics. It's your choice.

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Pupaveg In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-04 23:56:46 +0000 UTC]

Ok, you convinced me. I'm drawing a new comic to cover it. 

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MonocerosArts In reply to Pupaveg [2018-02-05 02:55:25 +0000 UTC]

Okay! I didn't mean you had to redraw it, I just meant for future reference. But whatever you feel is best!

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Pupaveg In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-02-05 11:51:43 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I know. But I thought about it and I want to save people as much time as possible, so a comic is the shortest way to do that, I guess.

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joao55 [2017-12-29 21:43:16 +0000 UTC]

Actually, yeah. Love is not universal and it is not applied equally to all peoples, much less all animals.
We love our family and friends more than random person number 123456789 in WillNeverGoTherestan and that is as it should be. Likewise, I absolutely love more my dog than a random spider, worm, chicken or cow.

Someone who claims to love absolutely everyone and everything equally doesn't really love anything and is just grandstanding for the sake of an imagined moral ground.

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Pupaveg In reply to joao55 [2017-12-29 22:34:49 +0000 UTC]

Yes. But just because you don't love someone, doesn't justify harming them needlessly. Some people don't love children or your dog, but that is no moral justification for them to slit their throats.

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DerArchaeopteryx [2017-11-14 19:12:43 +0000 UTC]

You do repeat yourself a lot in these, don´t you? O.o

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Pupaveg In reply to DerArchaeopteryx [2017-11-15 16:45:07 +0000 UTC]

Yeah.

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LualaDy [2017-11-12 10:46:17 +0000 UTC]

I also heard "as long as you can eat it, I don't care"
Surpriiise, you CAN eat your cat, would you??? no?? JUST because it's a cat and it's "cute", and like... chicken are NOT cute??? lambs are NOT cute???

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Pupaveg In reply to LualaDy [2017-11-14 11:34:13 +0000 UTC]

Reminds me of: www.facebook.com/earthlingedpa…

A simple reply to the cute argument by Vegan Sidekick: Why do you discriminate against animals based upon what they look like? If you come across a dog that isn't cute, are you compelled to slit their throat? If someone doesn't find your dog cute, is it okay for them to slit their throat? 

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LualaDy In reply to Pupaveg [2017-11-14 11:43:23 +0000 UTC]


it's really sad.
before I used to convince myself it was ok because "that's how the world works", and say:  yes it would be perfect if animals were treated well before we "stab them"
but now that I learned everything about veganism, I can no longer "justify" it. It  just creates so much suffering, and then you eat that suffering, you eat the stress, the pain, the panic, the  not understanding what's going on... how can that possibly be good  for you?

uuuh, anyway, we could spend days talking about stuff we already know ^^
great comic!!!

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Pupaveg In reply to LualaDy [2017-11-14 13:11:41 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! And I know what you mean. The last hamburger I ate was back in school. My vegan friend siad: "Sigh... There goes another innocent cow...". 
My sister got mad at her for that, but all I could think was: "Actually it's true."

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LualaDy In reply to Pupaveg [2017-11-14 16:20:18 +0000 UTC]

yes, saying things like that is very important
because it's gonna stick with  you, and perhaps, years later, it will actually motivate  you into making  life changing decisions ^^

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Pupaveg In reply to LualaDy [2017-11-15 17:17:23 +0000 UTC]

Indeed.

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seasstryu1521 [2017-11-05 15:00:29 +0000 UTC]

Many of us have compassion towards animals, yet few eat a diet where none are harmed.

What is weird is when people freak out over a man shooting a lion or a dog because they're doing it for their own pleasure, but even after viewing the environmental, health and economic benefits as well as the horrible ways animals die in the animal product industry, their reason for not going vegan is that it gives THEM pleasure(taste pleasure), and if you're a smart vegan you can enjoy the EXACT SAME TASTES as a nonvegan, plus some. 

In both ways, innocent animals are dying unnecessary deaths for the pleasure of someone

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Pupaveg In reply to seasstryu1521 [2017-11-07 09:00:57 +0000 UTC]

Yes, indeed. It's both killing for pleasure. I remember that, back when I still ate meat, I also used the "but they kill for pleasure" argument against fur hags, not realizing that I was no better (maybe worse) by paying someone to kill animals just because I liked burgers, chicken wings, fish filet etc.

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seasstryu1521 In reply to Pupaveg [2017-11-07 14:59:09 +0000 UTC]

I also never got those who throw hissy fits over hunters who only eat meat if they hunt it but they still eat meat.

I mean come on!  It's like they think that the only time animals die for meat is if the eater sees it happen.  Both ways, animals die.  At least in one of those ways they got to live a life beforehand.

Like, before I went vegan or even pescatarian, I never got how my mother wouldn't eat lamb but would eat other meats.  She said "I just always imagine a cute little baby lamb and can't bring myself to eat it", and my response was always "Well, what about the cute little baby cow or baby pig?" to which she used to get really upset at me, saying stuff like "are you trying to make me go vegetarian" or "stop, or I might just stop eating meat all together" as if I had something to feel guilty about.  If her base morals dont align with her actions....that's her problem.  That, and everyone should be have to deal with the path that had to be taken for them to get the kind of food they enjoy, and if it discomforts them that their path was a path of blood....times to switch paths.

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Pupaveg In reply to seasstryu1521 [2017-11-08 12:32:25 +0000 UTC]

Yep! Many people don't realize that turning a blind eye to violence they're causing doesn't mean it's not happening.

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EmeraldOverlord [2017-11-05 14:39:24 +0000 UTC]

I hear this all the time, "I love animals but I eat meat!" I want to hit my face into the wall. Also, I was wondering if you were going to draw her again, now I know.

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Pupaveg In reply to EmeraldOverlord [2017-11-07 08:59:09 +0000 UTC]

I once said it, too years before I became vegan. And I actually believed it because I loved my rabbits. Until I realized that I was just a pet lover, not an animal lover. Putting it in the human context made me realize that. By that logic, even the biggest serial killers and terrorists love people because they love and would never harm their own family/children or certain people.

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