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Qilong — The Last Oviraptorosaur by-sa

Published: 2011-07-15 20:49:04 +0000 UTC; Views: 4146; Favourites: 40; Downloads: 107
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Description Known only from a few specimens from the Hell Creek Formation, and partially associated with the infamous Tyrannosaurus rex, the so-called "Triebold-raptor" is a large caenagnathid, and likely represents a new taxon. Suggestions may be that it merely represents a new species of Chirostenotes, although this is based on lumping a large amount of variation from the Campanian and Maastrichtian into a single type of caenagnathid. Very little of the foot is actually known, and what is shown here is based on a single large toe and part of a hallux (inner toe), and one metatarsal.

This was largely done after Scott Hartman's reconstruction, [link] , although I did refer to my own notes and several high quality photographs. Not my best work. Expect the skull portion to change more drastically when better data comes in.
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Comments: 29

Tomozaurus [2012-01-11 00:55:04 +0000 UTC]

I was surprised to find out what a large animal this guy actually is. Nice skeletal too, just waiting on more data on the thing.

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Qilong In reply to Tomozaurus [2012-01-11 08:44:59 +0000 UTC]

Yes, we should have more of that in the next year or so. And I appreciate your comments. As I said, I'm not too happy with this piece, but it was created for the purpose of increasing "completeness" among oviraptorosaurs in general.

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SpongeBobFossilPants [2011-11-16 01:41:26 +0000 UTC]

Hey, is this the one we now call Epichirostenotes?

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Qilong In reply to SpongeBobFossilPants [2011-11-16 02:40:44 +0000 UTC]

No. That's the top skeleton here: [link]

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pilsator [2011-07-17 23:43:26 +0000 UTC]

Very nice, and cool to see you skeletal-ing again!

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Qilong In reply to pilsator [2011-07-19 00:33:47 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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Iphicrates [2011-07-17 09:20:23 +0000 UTC]

With you and Paul and Hartman all restoring it I'm glad so many masters of skeletal restoration are contributing to this fascinating creature.

Yes, there seems to be substantial variation between all your takes on the skull. Hopefully we'll get more material soon and a name, though that's probably asking a lot.

And hopefully this is the end of your artist's block--the world of the past, as well as that of the present, is far too fascinating to be justifiably uninspired.

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Qilong In reply to Iphicrates [2011-07-19 00:34:41 +0000 UTC]

It's just not that high quality as Scott's and Paul's skeletals are. But this doesn't really push my block away ... I've been ... sketching a little lately, but not dinosaur stuff, and not really scanable stuff.

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EmperorDinobot [2011-07-16 12:54:16 +0000 UTC]

I also suspect this creature is in cahoots with Tyrannosaurus. Cahoots...what a word that is....cahooots. Anywho...

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EmperorDinobot [2011-07-16 12:52:41 +0000 UTC]

This creature needs a name. SRSLY.

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Algoroth In reply to EmperorDinobot [2011-07-17 16:11:52 +0000 UTC]

Fred.

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EmperorDinobot In reply to Algoroth [2011-07-18 07:52:58 +0000 UTC]

How about George?

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Algoroth In reply to EmperorDinobot [2011-07-18 15:44:34 +0000 UTC]

Nah! He looks like a Fred to me! How about George Frederick?

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Qilong In reply to Algoroth [2011-07-19 00:33:38 +0000 UTC]

"Word" has it that while this specimen is likely a new SPECIES, it won't be named with a new GENUS name, in the conventional sense. That means it's going to be called "Chirostenotes [something]." Maybe infernalis or something, in keeping with the Hell Creek.

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vasix In reply to Qilong [2011-11-27 15:36:26 +0000 UTC]

I read that it's much larger than normal Chirostenotes....maybe....Chirostenotes ultimus or Chirostenotes gigas would work....I wish there were giantish oviraptorids in the Lancian age though..........other than HIM up there, y;know....

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Qilong In reply to vasix [2011-11-27 19:32:21 +0000 UTC]

The authors who are redescribing it are for now being conservative and calling it Chirostenotes pergracilis, with the intention of treating all northern North American caenagnathid taxa as Chirostenotes pergracilis with the exception of "Elmisaurus" elegans and Caenagnathus sternbergi (as Chirostenotes sternbergi or Chirostenotes elegans where "Elmisaurus" elegans is a synonym). Sorry if that seems technical.

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vasix In reply to Qilong [2011-12-02 15:37:28 +0000 UTC]

Well, Chirostenotes seems a little wastebasket now, doesn't it? That's from what I seem to read here.....

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Qilong In reply to vasix [2011-12-02 23:36:15 +0000 UTC]

Well, Chirostenotes is an odd case. The authors will note that there is variation, but whether these represent a single confined lineage or many distinct ones is unknown. Otherwise, this is a taste issue. The specimens all so far stay next to one another in phylogenetic analysis, although very few tests have been made on this point. So while there are new names for material that would otherwise go into this complex, whether they represent distinct phenetic groups is unclear. One is based on a partial pelvis, which turns out to be not that much different from other specimens, and is restricted in how much comparison can actually be made. So this isn't a "wastebasket" case in the strictest sense, although it comes close.

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vasix In reply to Qilong [2011-12-03 01:06:38 +0000 UTC]

So maybe the specimens of Chirostenotes mightn't even be....I dunno, related to each other, right? Well, Epichirostenotes was Chirostenotes once.....maybe like in the case of Iguanodon, even Chirostenotes is about to be broken up in the near future,

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Qilong In reply to vasix [2011-12-03 03:04:11 +0000 UTC]

Well, the relationships have not been tested in full completeness because the specimens for many other "species" are so incomplete. The best specimens, so far, are the most complete, and these alternately have been referred to new species/genera, or haven't.

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vasix In reply to Qilong [2011-12-03 05:34:16 +0000 UTC]

So then at the end of this issue, we still have the genus Chirostenotes based on only C. pergracilis as valid?

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Qilong In reply to vasix [2011-12-03 09:50:12 +0000 UTC]

Well, there will always be a Chirostenotes pergracilis. At least. What other species might be synonyms is up to debate.

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vasix In reply to Qilong [2011-12-03 15:01:22 +0000 UTC]

Woof! Hopefully there'll be a quick revision of its position!

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Qilong In reply to vasix [2011-12-30 08:12:30 +0000 UTC]

Indeed!

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vasix In reply to Qilong [2011-12-30 17:26:16 +0000 UTC]

Yes.

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Algoroth In reply to Qilong [2011-07-19 22:58:46 +0000 UTC]

Infernalis? Damned evocative name! COOL!

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Qilong In reply to Algoroth [2011-07-20 21:42:55 +0000 UTC]

Check out Bugenasaura infernalis, also from the Hell Creek. Or Stygimoloch spinifer. Some names write themselves.

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Algoroth In reply to Qilong [2011-07-21 00:53:13 +0000 UTC]

How about the old Dynamosaurus imperiosis? Used to be the name for a rex skeleton.

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vasix In reply to Algoroth [2011-11-27 15:35:07 +0000 UTC]

Tyrannosaurus imperator?....

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