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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-02 01:11:31 +0000 UTC]
Why thank you – and thanks for the fave! I do enjoy entertaining folks. I really enjoy worldbuilding and I like to think that it’s one of my strengths.
I agree – if I did decide to work back on this, I’d probably do something with Cathryn returning and having to figure out where she fits into the world. I can imagine that she might not want to change back. How can she want to return to a comparatively bland, pointless life?
The werewolves in the story are a hodgepodge of mythology, folklore, and pop culture werewolves. I kind of took what I wanted and left the rest. The big thing that I kept was the seven year transformations of Irish werewolf myths and some of the folklore of benevolent werewolves like the Benandanti of Italy. Benevolent werewolves (even if they’re often grumpy and not fond of human trespassers) do exist in folklore – and appear quite a bit more often than in pop culture.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-05 22:11:24 +0000 UTC]
Aw shucks, thanks! I'm always very flattered.
Yeah... I hadn't thought of the difficulty of just social interaction, even something as simple as talking. Cathryn is also getting a real shock about just how empty the life of a typical noblewoman is.
Obviously, most werewolves in folklore are also evil, but not all. Then again, I've always believed that when it comes to werewolves, the key to them being useful in a story is to make the species just as compelling as the characters. If you get locked into following pop culture, they'll just be stale and predictable.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-09 01:25:07 +0000 UTC]
I really don't understand the close-mindedness of werewolf creators at times. Or maybe it's just me. I ultimately view them as storytelling tools, not unlike characters. There's a couple different traits of pop culture werewolves and I do notice that it's practically standard operating procedure to omit a major detail or two (i.e. werewolves transform on full moons to become mindless monsters that eat people, but are killed by something other than silver) which is then treated as some kind of groundbreaking, clever innovation. I really don't understand the lack of imagination at times.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-10 14:51:54 +0000 UTC]
I really don't understand that. I guess that at least it's not as bad as just how demanding people are that zombies conform to certain character traits: slow, flesh-eating, mindless, and only killed by head shots. Then again, that's also what makes them boring and not particularly scary - people get killed in zombie media primarily by being idiots.
I really hope they are. I think that most werewolf creators really aren't aware just how derivative they are most of the time. "Werewolves" isn't a plot and "werewolf" can't be the end-all, be-all of a character. A lot of my pet peeves that aren't products of actively defective creative culture (i.e. how women werewolves and Native American werewolves tend to be depicted) and what happens when creators try to make "suddenly werewolves" into a plot by itself and have to come up with contrived plot twists like random full moons, forgetfulness, poorly defined evil inner beasts, and stupid werewolves to keep the conflict rolling.
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BornWithTheSun In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-04-16 00:19:16 +0000 UTC]
Hahaha, I'm with you there. Zombies seem more funny than scary to me. I think something with actual intelligence is far more frightening than something that just follows around the scent of brain.
Yeah, I don't know. I guess they know that movies with monsters, stupid teenagers and bad plots tend to sell well. It is nice when people take werewolves seriously since they are a pretty cool trope, even when the characteristics of their werewolves aren't super original.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-16 23:04:04 +0000 UTC]
That’s what I liked about the zombies in the original Dawn of the Dead – they were almost a comedy antagonist. Seeing all kinds of silly zombies like the Hari Krishna monk, an amateur baseball player, a nun, a fat man in his underwear, a Miss Cleo lookalike, and so on made them impossible to take seriously (especially in a slapstick scene where zombies were pelted with pies and sprayed with seltzer water) – until something went hideously wrong and people were being eaten alive. That was also something of the point of the film. The zombies were actually a very manageable danger and human greed, callousness, and stupidity were the real killers.
The big problem I tend to have with this plot is the same I have with full moon monster werewolves – people keep telling the same story over and over again and try to claim that they’re being original for making relatively minor changes. Zombie fans don’t really want anything else and, as with certain varieties of werewolves, it’s because zombies play to wish fulfillment. Zombies are easy to kill and pose no real threat. All you – the hero of the story, of course – has to do is to walk on down to the local gun store or National Guard depot, load up, and go blast your way through the zombie horde.
Individual traits of werewolves may not be original, but individual character traits are rarely original when examined separately and out of context. Werewolves really need the good characters and story to back them up. “Werewolf” isn’t a plot in itself and should really be used as a character trait.
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BornWithTheSun In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-04-17 02:33:30 +0000 UTC]
I've never seen Dawn of the Dead, but now I kind of want to. Diverse zombies are some of the funniest in my opinion. My favorite music video features zombies, and there's a scuba diver zombie and a couple of nurse zombies. That just makes it funnier to me.
You're right. Most zombie stories are wish fulfillment. I guess that helps explain why so many zombie fans spend hours on hours developing plans about how to deal with a hypothetical situation. That always seemed a little strange to me, but I guess it's more fun if you're the hero of this hypothetical situation.
I agree! Stories run on characters and plot. Cool werewolves are definitely a big bonus with me, but they aren't going to make a story by themselves.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-18 00:55:05 +0000 UTC]
Really? Wow. If there was one zombie movie that I think was actually worth seeing, it's the original "Dawn." It's campy and dated, but it brought zombies into the mainstream and it's got a lot of charm. I figure that if you can't really characterize zombies, you can still make them interesting to look at and memorable with their outfits.
And it's also guilt-free - it's easy to shoot your zombified, annoying neighbors when they crash into your house, but awfully complicated if they're kicking in your door because they have kids and demand that you share your food. Zombies are really the ultimate guilt-free targets for any kind of violence - and if they're people who annoyed you in life, it's not petty vengeance, you're just defending yourself from flesh-eating animated corpses!
They really don't. Van Helsing comes to mind in this regard. I've never seen so many werewolf fans stand behind such an awful, awful movie.
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BornWithTheSun In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-04-19 03:16:10 +0000 UTC]
I like zombie comedy. I just can't suspend my disbelief with zombies, so if you're gonna tell me a story about them, you're gonna have to make me laugh.
Yeah, pretty much any monster that can't talk/isn't sentient is fair game like that, especially in kid's books. As long it's pure evil and doesn't have feelings, killing it is okay... which is interesting logic in my opinion.
I've never seen that movie, but I did look it up on iMDB. It looked like they were trying see how many Gothic horror characters they could fit into one movie.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-19 23:51:25 +0000 UTC]
Yeah. I trust you're a fan of Shaun of the Dead?
I've always viewed that as a storytelling crutch - there aren't any complicated moral arguments or questions. Even with the typical "full moon mindless monster" type werewolf, the wolf side is unquestionably evil and the human side is pretty much excused for its misdeeds. At worst, the human side is just weak for not killing himself. Granted, it IS a plot and can be compelling, but we're explored it so many times that the moral questions and conflicts have already been asked.
It's not a good movie and I think it's too dysfunctional to be campy. The CGI is really dated too. But it's got a pretty cool looking werewolf, so some werewolf nerds like it anyway.
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BornWithTheSun In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-04-21 17:44:06 +0000 UTC]
Ahahaha, I actually haven't seen that one yet, but boy do I want to. I watched a clip on YouTube once and couldn't stop grinning.
Good point, good point. Monsters that are plain evil are never very much fun, anyway. I think they're most interesting when you can see a little bit of yourself in the monster.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-22 00:16:20 +0000 UTC]
If you haven't seen it, you should! It's a British romantic comedy with zombies - the creators are very much aware of other zombie media.
I think they are. Compelling monsters are generally compelling characters. I think that's the same both for human and non-human monsters.
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BornWithTheSun In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-04-23 04:02:51 +0000 UTC]
I really want to, haha! It looks really funny.
Yes, indeed. Monsters really shouldn't get away with being shallow characters just because they're monsters.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to BornWithTheSun [2016-04-24 00:32:13 +0000 UTC]
You MUST! I really loved it.
I feel like anyone who's in a story should have at least some characterization, even if it's very quick and minor.
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KCKinny [2016-03-25 15:53:08 +0000 UTC]
Cool story. I read it all.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to KCKinny [2016-04-02 00:36:35 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
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GDeyke [2016-03-22 14:07:37 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry I can't give this the comment it deserves - it's a great piece and I'd honestly like to give it an in-depth critique, but I'm a little bit short on both time and patience right now (I've actually been wanting to comment for a few days and haven't quite managed to get up the energy until now). I also see that it's a year and a half old, so maybe a full-fledged line-by-line critique would be out of place anyway. That said, here are a few general thoughts:
World-building: Spot on. I realize you've drawn heavily from mythology, but it's not mythology I'm particularly familiar with, and this style of werewolf isn't at all common these days, so I found the whole premise very refreshing. I'm also impressed that you managed to portray the werewolves as divine servants without heavy-handed religious overtones: I can appreciate this world without feeling like I'm being preached at. I like that Cathryn's reluctance and eventual acceptance mostly have to do with social and practical concerns, allowing the religious elements to fade into the necessary-and-important-but-still-sort-of-subtle background.
I also enjoy the way you've written the nobility: Lavena, especially. There's the uncomfortable truth in her interaction with the baker's wife that she has absolutely no regard for commoners, has the power to ruin them, and would not hesitate to do so - but at the same time, she isn't actually a bad person. She has a good relationship with her sister and overall comes across as entitled rather than cruel: a product of her society.
Character: For the most part I find Cathryn well-rounded and relatable. I can understand her goals and motivations, and I find it an interesting twist on the werewolf story that her most important consideration is how becoming a wolf will affect others' perceptions of her as a lady - and that this is actually a very practical concern (tying into that excellent world-building again). This isn't exactly a character note, but I also find it interesting that she takes after Great Uncle Conall in terms of her relationship with servants. Maybe that's just his influence on her upbringing (an influence Lavena seems to have avoided, at least in that respect), but I have the feeling that the wolf chooses those who can see things from a commoner's point of view.
There's one thing that feels inconsistent about her: the fact that she brings up the idea of becoming a wolf and making one's husband wait to Lavena, as if this would be preferable to having to wait for one's husband, but still reacts with such dismay when it actually happens - and never thinks of it again, not even to note the irony. After forming an idea of her from that conversation with Lavena, her actual reaction felt a bit jarring to me, and her two opposing viewpoints were never really reconciled.
Technique: Overall I love the writing style, but I do have to say that it was riddled with typos and could use a thorough proofreading. (That's something I usually avoid saying. I feel bad about just telling you that there are typos but not where and what they are; if you'd like me to go through line-by-line I'd be willing to do that (might be easier to find the energy and motivation to do so if I knew someone was actually waiting for it ), but I can't promise anything as to how soon I'd get around to it.)
One major thing that bothers me, though: the tense. The Cold Moon prelude sets us up for a flashback, and since we end on Cold Moon again I assume it's meant to be a framing device. In that case, I feel that the Harvest Moon and Dark Moon sections would make more sense in past tense, and a switch back to present at the end would make it easier to recognize that we've caught up to the beginning.
Overall I really enjoyed this. Thanks for a good read, and I hope you find this in some way helpful!
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to GDeyke [2016-04-02 00:30:52 +0000 UTC]
Hello there!
Thank you for your critique. I apologize for taking so long to get back to you – I wanted to give you a worthy response.
I wrote this a while back and I don’t really have much interest in revisiting the characters or setting. For whatever reason, I tend to find it very hard to write sequels. On occasion, I come up with a concept and it grows large enough to justify two separate stories – one to build the characters, style, and setting and one to actually delve into the action. I feel like this story is big enough that I got to do both. Though if I was going to revisit it, I’d probably skip to the end of her seven years. I think that’s the question that might be on people’s minds – now that she’s accepted her role as a protector and guardian, would she really want to go back? And if she does go back, would it be possible for her to change her mind and put the belt back on?
Speaking of delving, I’m happy to talk a bit about the specifics.
World-building: I like world-building… if that wasn’t blatantly obvious. The werewolf mythology I used is kind of a grab-bag of various myths along with quite a bit of pop culture werewolves (especially the notion of werewolves being unkillable – medieval werewolves were rarely any tougher than garden variety wolves). In general, I really find it baffling when people write “werewolf definitions” or some other kind of ironclad mythos about what their werewolves are. I’ve always viewed them as a storytelling tool rather than a species and in that regard, I generally design my werewolves to fit the story. I didn’t think that a medieval story would feel particularly authentic if the werewolves seemed too modern. There is a religious aspect to them too, though I did want to imply that they’d been around even before Christianity and were just incorporated into Christian beliefs, not unlike quite a few other pagan traditions. I apologize if that’s not particularly clear – I really didn’t want to lay it on too thick or overburden the reader with exposition (there’s already a lot as it is).
Likewise, I couldn’t imagine writing a story about medieval Ireland without mentioning religion and I certainly couldn’t ignore the social structure. No one in the story ever questions the division between nobles and commoners. Even Conall doesn’t suggest anything along the lines of egalitarianism – he just takes his duties as a social superior more seriously than most. Conall regularly compares nobles who don’t behave themselves to commoners and sneers at knighthood and rewards for military service, which were among the very few paths of social mobility in medieval Europe. Lavena certainly isn’t a bad person – though her father is. He’s really more of a family patriarch than a father, though his sense of duty is certainly something that he’s imparted to Cathryn. Despite his coldness, I generally don’t really think of him as being any more villainous than a garden variety feudal overlord from his time.
Character: Why thank you! Obviously, medieval society was very patriarchal in nature and I really couldn’t resist the temptation to contrast male werewolves as great heroes while female werewolves are gossip at the ladies’ table despite the fact that the species isn’t particularly gender dimorphic. Well… that and I tend to see female werewolf characters written as being very angsty about their unfeminine appearance. Cathryn doesn’t really care what she looks like – what hurts is the loss of her identity as a young noblewoman. It’s partly that Great Uncle Conall rubbed off on her and partly that it’s just her nature to be compassionate. She’s pretty hard on herself for not noticing before. I didn’t want to get too deep into the mechanics of how werewolves work, but it’s certainly a case of werewolves being the people most likely to use the power they have for the greater good.
You have a point… she doesn’t think about that ever. Partly, I was making a point about just how hollow that courtship was and how she felt after changing that she was effectively abandoning her life, but certainly she should think something about it.
Technique: Yeah… I didn’t think it was “riddled” but I’ve caught typos a few times during re-reading, so I assume that there are more. The easiest way for me to do it, is to print it off and review line by line. The problem? It’s a real time sink – when I was writing for publishing, I burned just about every free hour for a week and a half proofreading over and over. The reality is that I’ve moved on from this story and I really don’t have that kind of time to sink into something this old. Sorry to sound like such a quitter.
I’m inclined to agree, really. The flip side was that I felt that it might be equally jarring for there to be a tense change, even if it’s something pretty obvious like that. I don’t know… if I was going to do a major revision, I’d do it your way.
Hello there!
Thank you for your critique. I apologize for taking so long to get back to you – I wanted to give you a worthy response.
I wrote this a while back and I don’t really have much interest in revisiting the characters or setting. For whatever reason, I tend to find it very hard to write sequels. On occasion, I come up with a concept and it grows large enough to justify two separate stories – one to build the characters, style, and setting and one to actually delve into the action. I feel like this story is big enough that I got to do both. Though if I was going to revisit it, I’d probably skip to the end of her seven years. I think that’s the question that might be on people’s minds – now that she’s accepted her role as a protector and guardian, would she really want to go back? And if she does go back, would it be possible for her to change her mind and put the belt back on?
Speaking of delving, I’m happy to talk a bit about the specifics.
World-building: I like world-building… if that wasn’t blatantly obvious. The werewolf mythology I used is kind of a grab-bag of various myths along with quite a bit of pop culture werewolves (especially the notion of werewolves being unkillable – medieval werewolves were rarely any tougher than garden variety wolves). In general, I really find it baffling when people write “werewolf definitions” or some other kind of ironclad mythos about what their werewolves are. I’ve always viewed them as a storytelling tool rather than a species and in that regard, I generally design my werewolves to fit the story. I didn’t think that a medieval story would feel particularly authentic if the werewolves seemed too modern. There is a religious aspect to them too, though I did want to imply that they’d been around even before Christianity and were just incorporated into Christian beliefs, not unlike quite a few other pagan traditions. I apologize if that’s not particularly clear – I really didn’t want to lay it on too thick or overburden the reader with exposition (there’s already a lot as it is).
Likewise, I couldn’t imagine writing a story about medieval Ireland without mentioning religion and I certainly couldn’t ignore the social structure. No one in the story ever questions the division between nobles and commoners. Even Conall doesn’t suggest anything along the lines of egalitarianism – he just takes his duties as a social superior more seriously than most. Conall regularly compares nobles who don’t behave themselves to commoners and sneers at knighthood and rewards for military service, which were among the very few paths of social mobility in medieval Europe. Lavena certainly isn’t a bad person – though her father is. He’s really more of a family patriarch than a father, though his sense of duty is certainly something that he’s imparted to Cathryn. Despite his coldness, I generally don’t really think of him as being any more villainous than a garden variety feudal overlord from his time.
Character: Why thank you! Obviously, medieval society was very patriarchal in nature and I really couldn’t resist the temptation to contrast male werewolves as great heroes while female werewolves are gossip at the ladies’ table despite the fact that the species isn’t particularly gender dimorphic. Well… that and I tend to see female werewolf characters written as being very angsty about their unfeminine appearance. Cathryn doesn’t really care what she looks like – what hurts is the loss of her identity as a young noblewoman. It’s partly that Great Uncle Conall rubbed off on her and partly that it’s just her nature to be compassionate. She’s pretty hard on herself for not noticing before. I didn’t want to get too deep into the mechanics of how werewolves work, but it’s certainly a case of werewolves being the people most likely to use the power they have for the greater good.
You have a point… she doesn’t think about that ever. Partly, I was making a point about just how hollow that courtship was and how she felt after changing that she was effectively abandoning her life, but certainly she should think something about it.
Technique: Yeah… I didn’t think it was “riddled” but I’ve caught typos a few times during re-reading, so I assume that there are more. The easiest way for me to do it, is to print it off and review line by line. The problem? It’s a real time sink – when I was writing for publishing, I burned just about every free hour for a week and a half proofreading over and over. The reality is that I’ve moved on from this story and I really don’t have that kind of time to sink into something this old. Sorry to sound like such a quitter.
I’m inclined to agree, really. The flip side was that I felt that it might be equally jarring for there to be a tense change, even if it’s something pretty obvious like that. I don’t know… if I was going to do a major revision, I’d do it your way.
Anyway, I apologize for the bummer at the end, but thanks for your comment! Anyway, I apologize for the bummer at the end, but thanks for your comment!
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to GDeyke [2016-04-04 01:57:08 +0000 UTC]
I really wish I could work up more motivation to write lately... I'm kind of depressed that I haven't written any fiction in full since January.
Obviously, I didn't want to go too deep "under the hood" so to speak, since even comparatively well-educated noblemen wouldn't know all that much about the wolves aside from the folklore and accounts of those who changed.
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GDeyke In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-04-04 07:41:51 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, that's fair.
It's always hard when you can't get yourself into the right headspace for writing. Good luck with it!
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msimoneaux20 [2016-02-17 07:23:11 +0000 UTC]
Man, I have to say, this is one amazing piece of work. First of all, this was so fun to read. You had me from the moment the girls first make mention of the wolf heritage. Beyond that, you kept me interested all the way to the finish, leaving me wanting more from the story. You, like me, go above and beyond when writing a short story. Not only creating characters with detailed backgrounds with vivid places and settings, but also creating an actual world around it, really trying to bring the reader inside the story. You've obviously done some research on many of the things mentioned in this story; for a deep reader such as myself, this doesn't go unnoticed. I tend to do the same when I'm writing as I want to make everything as real as I can. Using the names of real restaurants when talking about cities, etc. Which is sort of ironic because the only story I have posted here on DA is set in a fake bar... The rest is poetry.
Anyways, you're very talented my friend, you do indeed have a true gift. The people who suggested this work of art made no mistake with giving you the DD. Congrats, you've earned it.
Would love to read more of your work, if I may. Any suggestions on the pieces in your gallery? Perhaps something as intriguing as this?
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to msimoneaux20 [2016-02-19 03:06:58 +0000 UTC]
Why thank you! And thank you for the fave too!
I’m really glad you enjoyed reading it – I liked writing it. I suppose it’s just the fact that I find the “real world” kind of dull that drives me generally to write other things. That and I feel like including werewolves in any kind of narrative really shakes things up. It seems impossible to me that a world where werewolves exist that they haven’t shaped it in some way. I like to think that forces deeper introspection when I go to shape my settings which in turn shape my characters. But for this story, I didn’t actually do as much research as I should’ve. In general, I try to write stuff where I already know the historical background, if only so that I can write on the fly rather than having to constantly feel like I have to keep checking stuff to make sure that I’m not making mistakes. In general, stuff I know or places I’ve been is what inspires me to write stuff in the first place.
BTW, I read the story with the fake bar! It seemed real enough to me for a fake bar.
Aw shucks, you’re flattering me!
Well… I’m a werewolf genre writer. Where I differ is that it’s pretty rare for me to use the same type of werewolf more than once or twice. They’re a storytelling tool and I create them to suit the story I’m telling. I’m particularly proud of “Secrets,” “Learning the Family Business,” and “The Blood Tax.”
Also, if I might plug it, if werewolves are your thing, I’m featured in Issue 2 of Werewolves Versus alongside a bunch of great writers and artists:
gumroad.com/l/wv02
I actually have 4 pieces of teaser material in my gallery that build up the setting (which I'm especially proud of) for that story.
Anyway, thank you very much for your kind comments and support!
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msimoneaux20 In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-02-19 17:26:08 +0000 UTC]
I know what you mean by the world being dull. That's really the main reason I like to write too. I love being able to create a world of my own, if you will. And it's awesome that you mostly write about stuff that you know, the more you know about a subject the better. And you obviously like wolves, so I imagine this story came pretty easy. But keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with doing extensive research for a piece, as long as your sources are good, and especially if you're really into it. I've written stories that have called for hours of research, looking into cities I've never been to, people I've never met, times I've never lived in. It's all part of the process that makes your story that much better, not to mention really fun and informative. Lots of people don't really respect writers like us because they don't realize all the extra effort (such as doing more research than we generally have to) we put into making a story.
So what did you think about my story? It's a bit mushy throughout, but the ending pretty much makes the theme of the story.
And thank you for sharing, the pleasure was all mine. I enjoyed reading and I look forward to reading more. keep up the great work and take care.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to msimoneaux20 [2016-02-21 02:30:22 +0000 UTC]
I suppose that’s why I never understood why so many supernatural stories were set in high school – not a particularly exciting place. Though that ties into my point I guess – “write what you know” can lead to some dreadfully dull narratives if writers don’t bother to actually learn new things. If I know what kind of a story I’m writing, I generally try to get all of my research done before I write the first letter. For this story, I was a bit under pressure, so I had to look up things on the fly. Though when I knew I wanted a feast scene, I researched medieval food quite a bit before I started writing that section. My knowledge on the subject had been distinctly late medieval/early Renaissance, when food started to become a sort of alchemy. The tartlets that play a pretty significant role in the story came out of that research. I suppose I’m just privileged by having the resources to travel and an overly generous vacation policy at work. I do think that on DA, if not in general, there’s this notion that not everyone can draw, but anyone can write. Unfortunately, great visual artists aren’t always great writers (though I know two who are) but popularity on DA means that they’ll have legions of fans lining up to tell them how wonderful they are.
Overall, I think I wanted to see more foreshadowing and delve deeper into who those characters were rather than have their true natures pop out at the end. How has been a contract killer shaped our protagonist? What kind of person kills people for a living – especially people who are nice to him? I think that’s the deeper story at play. Does some aspect of this job challenge him? If it doesn’t, it’s hard to find the conflict for his character. All I knew for sure when reading was that something terrible was going to happen at the end since you don’t strike me as the type of risk-averse writer who would create a straightforward romance story. Otherwise I like the concept of a first date that ends with murder, I’d just like to see it expanded upon.
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msimoneaux20 In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-02-22 00:10:39 +0000 UTC]
That's why I'm not going to college and I never usually enter contests that involve a particular subject. I hate having to write under the gun, especially if it's a topic I'm not all that into. I like to be able to write what I want, when I want, it always comes out better that way. If I have to write about a particular subject and I only have so much time to do it, I feel pressured and it either makes me not want to do it at all or it doesn't come out the way I want it to.
And yeah, that's part of what I meant by people not appreciating writers as they should. Visual artists definitely get a lot more recognition and appreciation. Which, in my opinion, is not misunderstood. It takes time, patience, and skill to be able to pull off a great painting or drawing. But people are under the impression that writing a great story doesn't require the same qualities. To lots of modern readers, there's no real difference between an experienced writer or an amateur. They just focus on the story line rather than the finer qualities of what they're reading. Such as how it's written, the extra details that not everyone looks for. It's true, what they say, everyone CAN write a story... But not everyone can write a great story.
I'll admit, it sort of surprised me to hear you say you knew something bad was going to happen... No one else I had read it saw it coming. I intentionally left out the finer details about their personalities because of that reason. I didn't want anyone to see it coming. If i had answered the questions you listed above, it would have been much easier to see. At least for me, if I would have been reading something like it. And I'd like to think in some way it was hard for him to kill this woman in particular because she opened feelings in him that he thought he'd lost. I tired to make that a little clear, I guess it wasn't clear enough. Now that you mention it, I may go back and toy with it some more. And personally, I'd like to expand it more myself, but I'm terrible with novels. My last few attempts at a novel did not work out as planned. I always end up getting bored with whatever subject I'm on and stop working on it for a while. And when I get back to it, I'm just sort of like: Hmmm.... Where was I? I don't even know where I'm going with this... So for the time being, I've been sticking to short stories.
It's also funny that you mention I don't strike you as the type to write a full blown romance... I'm actually working on my first romantic piece as we speak. A friend dropped me an idea and for now I'm sort of just going with it. It's working out so far, I spent most of the day yesterday working on it. Don't know if I'll post it here when it's finished though, I have a folder full of others and the only one I posted here was Dressed to Kill.
Anyways, thanks for reading, hope you enjoyed. It's been awesome chatting with you, take care bro.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to msimoneaux20 [2016-02-25 22:34:49 +0000 UTC]
Typically, I’ve very much preferred total freedom with my writing. On the other hand, I can find it motivating if I’ve got a prompt to work with. Open-ended stuff is definitely better – don’t want too narrow of a prompt. Lately, I feel like I need a bit of pressure to actually get up and write stuff. Just a deadline of some kind helps a lot.
Yeah… I’ve actually chatted with one visual artist who was pretty shocked by just how many hours go into whipping a short story into shape for publishing. For the Werewolves Versus story I wrote, at least 200 hours went into those 20-odd pages. More if you include brainstorming and concept work. Art of any sort inevitably takes a lot of conceptualization just to get an idea into workable condition. I’ve definitely noted that a lot of people on DA are really just here for fandom stuff and go gaga for pretty much any content at all in their favorite fandom. I certainly understand genre favoritism, but I’ve really never understood getting so carried away with things other people made rather than making their own stuff.
I’ll chalk it up to the genres I write in – if the story seems too much like a conventional story, it’s probably just bait for the reader. The fact that the narrative is sticking to convention is “suspicious” in itself, like someone at a crime scene who’s simply far, far too conspicuously innocent to be a bystander. In general, when I’m reading that sort of narrative I presume (and hope) that the author has some kind of twist in mind. The excitement for me is trying to figure out what the twist is. I know what you mean – that revealing that the protagonist is a hitman would ruin that twist – but I also believe that while twists are nice, they need a story to support it. I can’t really get a sense of who our protagonist really is if something as important to his character as the fact that he’s a contract killer is a secret until the last few sentences. I hope that doesn’t sound like I’m condemning your whole story or anything. Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t know how to write novels either. I guess I don’t get attached enough to my narratives.
Then I apologize – I certainly meant no offense to your abilities. Having recently written a romance story myself (albeit a thoroughly twisted one), I understand the desire to write in other genres.
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msimoneaux20 In reply to QuebecoisWolf [2016-02-26 09:33:39 +0000 UTC]
Hey, some people do much better under pressure. Me not so much, but if it works for you (which it obviously does, you caught my attention with this story) then by all means, take on whatever you think you can handle.
Hmmm... I definitely see what you mean. I took it into consideration, when writing the story, that maybe I should write more about his character background. I was just afraid of going overboard, like I always do, and revealing anything that might make people expect what happened in the end. To me, the ending is what made the theme of the story, so it was important to me that didn't happen. Nonetheless, it's definitely still an open project. I posted it here when I first wrote it, still rough in it's likeness, and haven't touch it very much since. Might look into it soon actually... I didn't see it at all as you condemning my work. I actually want to thank you. That's why I posted it here, to get various opinions on it, let me know what others think I could have done better. And, no doubt, I agree with you 100%.
No apology necessary, I took no offense. On the contrary, I found our entire conversation very enlightening. It's just simply like you said; I had the feeling to do something different. Up until a few weeks ago, you would have been spot on. Most of my short stories consist of shitty people stuck in shitty situations. I guess it's just my thing.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to msimoneaux20 [2016-02-28 01:42:54 +0000 UTC]
I think that doing so much writing for college creative writing classes kind of made me feel like pressure was more or less necessary. My ability to just write without a deadline kind of comes and then disappears for years at a time. Right now, it’s sadly gone again and I have zero motivation to write stuff without some kind of deadline and prize (however small) involved.
I feel like this kind of a twist is really best done when it’s the antagonist with the big secret, just because the protagonist obviously wouldn’t know it and we can keep building up his or her character without fearing spoilers. I think that you can go overboard with infodumping a character’s backstory, sure, but not with characterization in general.
Anyway, I never know how people will handle critique – on DA, some artists interpret anything less than “ZOMG THT STORY CHANGD MY LIFE U R THE BEST WRITAR EVAR” as an insult. I even have a friend who made one comment of critique on the story of a fairly popular artist and was insulted, mocked, verbally attacked by a few fans who also left comments on her DA page, and then, when she refused to apologize, was blocked. As a result, I do try to be very careful with my critique. There’s nothing wrong with depicting shitty people in shitty situations, but they should absolutely be interesting, complex shitty people and interesting, complex shitty situations. The trouble with that can be that stories are really defined by changes in character, which arise from changes in situation. And it can be valid for a bad person to react to a bad situation by becoming more villainous – or alternatively, when challenged, to fail to change and suffer the consequences.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to LindArtz [2016-02-17 03:09:05 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! And thanks for the fave!
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AgentLacey [2016-02-16 21:12:29 +0000 UTC]
I haven't read some this enjoyable and beautiful in a long time.... I love this story!
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to AgentLacey [2016-02-17 03:08:43 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very much for the fave (and especially your kind comment) - and thank you for reading!
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Lintu47 [2016-02-16 18:17:25 +0000 UTC]
Congrats on the DD!
Have a nice day!
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LostGryphin [2016-02-16 17:30:35 +0000 UTC]
Amazing and enjoyable read - congrats on the DD
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Wolfy-Biter [2013-11-02 17:41:52 +0000 UTC]
This was an enjoyable read, but stories like this make me sad.
The main character here faces kind of the same thing that Alex does in my story. Having to give up your life and everything you knew, even if it is only for seven years. It may be for a righteous reason, but to me it would suck.
The ending was nice, though. Brought me back a little that the girl wouldn't just be completely forgotten about and instead praised.
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QuebecoisWolf In reply to Wolfy-Biter [2013-11-06 02:00:39 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the fave!
It is something of a sad story. I was trying to break away from the horror/action angle a bit for a change. In Catherine's case, it's not "only seven years" - she can't just come back and pick up where she left off due to the social mores of her time. Having to "become a beast" effectively destroys her future.
I didn't want to leave things hopeless. Also there's also a feminist theme I kind of tucked in there (and hopefully wasn't overbearing about it) and the end shows her overcoming the limitations medieval society put on her.
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