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PsychoBeef28 In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-10-30 13:05:25 +0000 UTC]

One picture does not mean someone potrays all woman as sexual objects. And what about men potrayed as big muscular tough hunks, huh?

Also, YOU potray woman as serial killer-like psychopaths, based on your posts and favs.

We dont see woman as 'sex-objects', we appricate the physical attraction of cool, strong, likeable woman like in this post. If we saw woman as sex-objects, we would all not be here and instead in jail for sexual assault.

And by your wording, you seem to see all men as potential sexual-assaulters or maybe rapists, which is ZERO % true. Woman can sexually assault, be perverted, rape, and have a fantasy view of big muscular tough men.

I suppose you think any type of backside view, even of a womam just looking around, is somehow sexual objectification or something?

Shut the fuck up.

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ZeldAlice In reply to PsychoBeef28 [2019-01-21 13:03:21 +0000 UTC]

"Also, YOU potray woman as serial killer-like psychopaths, based on your posts and favs."

And if you're talking about all my artworks favs on AMAlice (American McGee's Alice) I would advuce you to do your research about that character, because Alice is NOT a psychopath nor a serial-killer. And if other people portray her that way, that I cannot help, I can fav and like artworks If I find them well-drawn etc. And you obviously have never been through psychiological pain, that is what American McGee's Alice is all about. A strong woman trying to overcome psychiological pain. Again, research the game and its character before making such an accusation.

You accuse me of not looking deeper, but what about you then? Or were you so offended by my oponion about portraying another strong woman like this? I like Queen-Zelda's artworks... some of them, but this one in my personal oponion not so. Let me also tell you what AMAlice is about, she's also not an object for (those men who do) men to use as an object. Because back in the 1800's they were, and there was also other things. 

But you are free to have your oponion, and I see no point in arguing further about this if you've already decided.

And were did I ever state your accusation that I would see all men as rapists and assaulters? I did not, but I know that they exist, we all know that, BUT not ALL of them. I also know that women can be such too.

And again, about this artwork, I stated my oponion because of what this artwork shows, Zelda showing off her b*tt, and in my oponion, this is not the Princess Zelda I know.

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PsychoBeef28 In reply to ZeldAlice [2019-01-21 14:54:17 +0000 UTC]

I was not gonna bother responding to this shit since i was done with it, BUT...

"And obviously have never been through psychological pain"

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? HUH? HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? HAVE YOU BEEN IN MY LIFE? NO YOU HAVEN'T! YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH FOR 7 YEARS, SO DONT MAKE AN ASSUMPTION ON MY LIFE.

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ZeldAlice In reply to PsychoBeef28 [2019-01-21 16:23:35 +0000 UTC]

But you could make an assumption of me liking "psychopath, killer-women"- or something like that, plus assuming that I thought that "all men were assualters and rapists etc". But yeah, my bad then for what I wrote in my first comment, even though it was a mere oponion. 

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PsychoBeef28 In reply to ZeldAlice [2019-01-21 16:34:19 +0000 UTC]

I said an assumption on someone's life, as if you know what they've been through or not. -_-

I made guesses based on the way you worded your original comment. Not an assumption on your life.

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ZeldAlice In reply to PsychoBeef28 [2019-01-21 16:41:53 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I was pretty late here I see. 

And your guesses could be stated as assumptions too you know. Do you know what I've been through, then? I am not even going to care to explain because you seem to assume that my favs and artworks are psychopathic anyway.

And I repeat here; yeah, my bad then for what I wrote in my first comment, even though it was a mere oponion. 

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PsychoBeef28 In reply to ZeldAlice [2019-01-21 16:59:15 +0000 UTC]

Not everyone knows what that psychotic Alice thing is -_-

Also, "opinion"

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ZeldAlice In reply to PsychoBeef28 [2019-01-21 17:41:42 +0000 UTC]

Which is why I suggested to do your research first, then you might perhaps no longer find Alice as psychotic! Also, I thought that someone who's been through psychiological pain could in one way or another relate to her, but I've come to learn that blood has different concept and meaning depending on who sees it. The blood in AMAlice is not meant to represent what most gorey games does, plus Alice is slaying demons and monsters inside her own mind, aka broken Wonderland.

Also, now looking back after these two years, I see that it was my mistake in the first place to even write the first comment I wrote, and I dond't think Queen-Zelda would want her comment thread to turn into walls of flame-war. Yes, I started this, and now I am putting and END to it. I will hide away my first comment in respect for the artist here. But I still stand by my first oponion, and my oponion is that I find this portrayal of this kind of a character, plus women overall, is quite offensive. I know there are a millions of hentai-artworks like these out there, and I personally strongly dislike every one of them. 

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Joe-jostar-mega In reply to PsychoBeef28 [2018-11-08 23:45:09 +0000 UTC]

No one gonna read your god awful post.

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PsychoBeef28 In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-10-30 12:58:03 +0000 UTC]

ZeldAlice......shut the fuck up.

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Joe-jostar-mega In reply to PsychoBeef28 [2018-11-08 23:46:10 +0000 UTC]

You should ve the one here who need shut fook up stupid cunt.

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TFCandy In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-01-02 06:34:03 +0000 UTC]

There are so, so, so, SO many people I follow on here that are females who draw this kind of art, or stuff way more perverted. This is nothing new. And you are taking a piece of art like this WAY too seriously that it's sad.

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ZeldAlice In reply to TFCandy [2018-01-07 13:28:28 +0000 UTC]

I don't care if either a man or woman makes this sexism-art, I personally find it truly sad that it's even done, and that is my personal oponion, thank you.

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Birdy12887 In reply to ZeldAlice [2023-01-02 04:50:32 +0000 UTC]

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TFCandy In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-01-07 18:22:28 +0000 UTC]

Well then you've been born into the wrong day and age because the internet is full of this stuff. Hell, Zelda's ass in BoTW was a meme when the game first came out last year and is still quite a popular thing to meme about. Humanity, as a species, is perverted. That's just how we are.

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ZeldAlice In reply to TFCandy [2018-01-08 18:39:50 +0000 UTC]

Well, forgive me for having a life outside of internet. And besides, art in its whole was already a thing LONG before internet even came along or was even thought up.
I already knew about the BotW-Zelda-ass was a meme, hell, I suspected even from the start when I saw a pic of the actual game online that this would become a meme. And meme or not, my personal oponion is still that I am personally not okay with that.
So, it's also okay for either a man to sexually abuse a woman, or the other way around, just because "humanity, as a specie, is perverted"!? 

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FabluFabletastic In reply to ZeldAlice [2017-12-19 02:16:07 +0000 UTC]

You took just a silly drawing way to seriously man. That is kinda sad tbh

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ZeldAlice In reply to FabluFabletastic [2018-01-07 13:27:37 +0000 UTC]

And I find it sad that women tends to be portrayed this way. I am allowed to have my personal oponion, thank you!

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FabluFabletastic In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-01-07 23:26:09 +0000 UTC]

It is ok to have an opinion, but I really think you shouldn't take drawings that seriously fam. For real, I read all the responses, and I personally think you acted really heartless by acusing an artist that has a passion for their work of just doing art for "them moneys" when you yourself claim to support a noble cause (wich is being against objectification of women on media I supose). You could have given Queen-Zelda art tips and criticize her artistic skills to help her improve on her art, but instead you decided to go to the personal route and criticize her morals. Also, take into consideration that not only women but also men get objectified by our sick society (a lot of boybands are seen as mere pretty faces((BTS for example are seen as just pretty boys and nothing more to some people))), and this is a very bad thing that shouldn't happen to *anyone*. Now, going back to the drawing itself, I don't personally think that it is portraying a woman as an object, in fact, what I see is a very stiff yet decently done drawing of a fictional character with a very softcore porn vibe to it. I also want to clarify something really quick, I AM a woman and *I* personaly did not found this piece to be offensive in any way, and I also would like to clarify that you can have your own opinion on the subject and that you have total freedom to find this drawing to be offensive, what I am trying to say is, you shouldn't judge people, specially artists, over something as silly as a drawing, just have in mind that an artist isn't their art because those are to completely separeted entities and that next time you see something that you deem to be offensive, just talk about the art an leave the artist and their personal beliefs, morals and life out of the discusion. Thank for reading what I had to say, and really do hope that we are in good terms and all. Also english isn't my native language so feel free to correct any grammatical errors I made, that would help a lot actually !!! And one last thing!! Don't take the world so seriously or else it won't be as fun to live on it!!   BYE BYE AND HAVE A NICE DAY!!  

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ZeldAlice In reply to FabluFabletastic [2018-01-08 19:05:43 +0000 UTC]

Why I may have jumped to quickly into accusation and all, it was my automatic reaction and response of mine from a reply of Queen-Zelda's. I asked her if she made money out of this, and then she told me that she gives the people what they ask about. Thus, my reaction and all. Then she explained to me that so was not the case. But then I merely said my oponion about making art overall. Because, for me personally, art is a form of expression, venting and even therapy, thus I take art overall seriously, it's just what I personally do and see art as. Even though, I do agree and admit, I also have a weak spot for romantic art, especially when it comes to my fav couples from games etc. 
I am against sexism overall in both genders. I also find it scandalous how some men and boys are portrayed. And indeed, these things should indeed not be allowed to happen to anyone.
What I also reacted about this drawing is that this is actually a meme, this is a thing out there. And from the first time when I saw a pic of the actual game in this pic I suspected already then that it would become a meme.
Also, this may be a mere drawing, but art as a whole can also speak to people in different ways. Art is more than a mere drawing, painting etc, art has the power to reach deep into people. And YES, al art shouldn't be taken seriously, but if someone more than me might take offense to these kind of drawings I completely understand them. However, yes, we all have the freedom to do as we please with both art itself, artstyle, its comcept etc etc, but we also have our personal oponion about other peoples art, too. But I do also agree with you, constructive critic is often the best choice, but that is mostly if it's about the way the artwork is drawn by itself. I have nothing to comment on Queen-Zelda's art about that, anatomy, coloring and such, because it already looks almost perfect from my point of view. But how do one turn to constructive critism when it comes to concept etc? No, only oponion might be the only choice there.
And telling someone to not take the world so seriously (even though, yes, it can be a good advice) is not always the best choice because some people might lifetime-experiense of the world from its truly dark, cold and painful side. But yes, it's a good advice to look on the bright side of all things, but to some people it can still be very hard and can take very long to learn and get the hang of.
Other, about your grammar, not only am I not really inclined to comment on that because neglish is also not my native language, but as long as I can understand the person I am talking to, I am personally not picky in grammar. ^^ Have nice day you too!^^

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FabluFabletastic In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-01-08 21:26:24 +0000 UTC]

Your response made my day tbh!! For real I read this smiling ((I'm so silly sometimes!!)). It's really rare to find people with who you can have a polite discusion on the internet, specially here on DA. (I would like to add that I agree with what you said about the way art can express a million different types of emotions and convey a different message to each and every person in a different way). I really liked the way this discusion ended!! ALSO!!You've made me very curious right now...not trying to be invasive and all  , but, where are you from m8?? 

ok, now going back on topic, I wish you a great day and an incredible week!!   

((Sidenote: wile I was looking for the gifs to put here, I found a huge amount of really funny porn gifs, I really recommend you check them out if you want to get some laughs (・∀・)(・∀・) )) 

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ZeldAlice In reply to FabluFabletastic [2018-01-09 20:07:11 +0000 UTC]

Wow, truly!? That's awesome, thanks alot! ^_^ I must also say the same about how you adressed and spoke to me with your first message, despite my rather harsh comments and replies above! I also really love to have polite discussions of all sort of things. And indeed, here on DA (a place meant for all kinds of art, but in which trolls seem to thrive in for a most perplexing reason), it is indeed such a rarity to find people who are willing to have a polite discussion.

Sometimes I can't express by mere words what arts of all kind is and the effects and powers it contains. Art, both cheking out other peoples art (which is always very inspiring to me), and then to create it, I learn more and more how much art can do for people. I myself vent out alot through art. But then also, creativity in all kinds contain this power, and it is a shame that it's all so underrated!
It's also very interesting how art can reach into different people in different ways, and what different emotions, feelings etc which evokes in different people. And then also, all the inspiration, powerful emotions and even solace and therapy which comes from both creating and even looking at other people's art. And then all different artstyles, and how people use the colours etc etc. Again, art can provide so much of all kinds of things.

And it's ok. ^-^ I am from Sweden. ^^ Is it ok If I also ask where you're from?  
And thanks the same, I wish you also have a great day and an even greater week!

And sure, I could use a good laugh.^^ Where to find those gifs? ^^

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FabluFabletastic In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-01-09 20:45:52 +0000 UTC]

Yo! I'm from a very shady and obscure country called... Brazil 

   - AAAAAAAAH!! I'M SO CRINGY!!!  

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ZeldAlice In reply to FabluFabletastic [2018-01-09 20:58:24 +0000 UTC]

Cool! I've never been to Brazil, so I can't say if it's shady or obscure. ^_^

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Queen-Zelda In reply to ZeldAlice [2017-10-28 22:03:06 +0000 UTC]

 I'm not someone that thinks that women can't do this, because I also do the same with boys -have already portrayed Link like a mere sexy toy for Zelda bunch of times, at least in the picture itself, because I usually create a context in the author comment about what's happening-, I never think of Zelda being just a mere toy, this kind of pictures are much more like a rople-play, and if Zelda can see at Link's body, why Link can't with Zelda? Also this is a commission, I have literally drawn some girls being nothing more like a cum deposit for a gangbang, because that's something that don't affect me in the slightest. I just draw pervy things for boys or girls's entertaining, but much of my customers are people that want girls in the  "Just a mere sex toy" thing and I have no problems drawing that. I'm not into the "Woman over everything else!" thing.

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ZeldAlice In reply to Queen-Zelda [2017-11-03 21:03:34 +0000 UTC]

I am one of those who actually read peoples deviant-descriptions, and I saw nothing of the context of which you're speaking of. So if I understand you right, by what you're mentioning customers and Commissions is about getting paid with money for drawing this kinds of stuff right? And if so, so you're making all this for money?...

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Queen-Zelda In reply to ZeldAlice [2017-11-03 21:34:01 +0000 UTC]

 There is no context for this drawing because someone commissioned me this drawing. I can't go beyond the customer's idea. I don't know if he/she was thinking a context for the picture or just wanted Zelda to be doing this.

 And related to the other, well... yeah, maybe? I mean I see no problem with drawing this at all, the same way some people draw yaoi or yuri, or Mpreg or things I puke at, well I draw ecchi things and see there is no problem at all. I mostly draw hentai right now because I like to draw hentai. If I was doing all this just for money, trust me, I would draw Yuri, because most of the commissions are yuri-related things, but because I'm not right into money I don't draw yuri, and TRUST ME, I have less the customers I could get just because I'm not Yuri, but I don't care, I only work with things I can or want to draw.

 I love Zelda, I see no problem with Ecchi or hentai (I have been working with it since I'm 13 years old) and, if someone ask me to draw something ecchi or hentai with her, as long as she's with Link or alone,what's seems to be the problem? I like to draw Zelda stuff, I like to draw pervy things and if someone pays me for doing what I like to do, what's the problem?

 SRLY, I just can't get it. Actually I have been improving my art like a lot just for working with things that are difficult to draw, have polished my style like a lot, and everything I draw I do it with a burning passion, so it's not just a thing of "doing it for money", but I do it for a personal improvement (considering money is involved and some ideas I have not been working with, I have to do it the best I can to make the customer to feel as satisfied with my work as possible, also to be satisfied myself), so I think selling my art, actually, have helped me a lot.

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ZeldAlice In reply to Queen-Zelda [2017-11-03 21:43:09 +0000 UTC]

You do realize that, according to copyrighted stuff etc, Selling fanarts, in other Words, other peoples original Creations, is not recomended. That is considered, more or less, a crime as it's about copyright stuff. If you did it for free, then that would be okay, but dealing with it in real Money, that is not recomended. But it's your call, your problem. I'm just telling what I read and heard.

My personal oponion is that I am not okay with portraying Girls this way, especially not as a request for some perv-boy wanting to drool over women. But, that's my personal oponion.
I can understand the passion thing, even though this kind of art is not my cup of tea. I strongly react at the Money thing, because from my Point of view, creating art just for the Money is not what art is about. But, I can't argue against if there's passion behind it. Becase, art is about venting and expressing. For me personally, art is all of that and one of the best therapy.
I am also all for ZeLink, but again from my personal Point of view, these kinds of concept I am not really open for.

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Queen-Zelda In reply to ZeldAlice [2017-11-03 22:15:29 +0000 UTC]

 Do you really think I only draw for money or something? Have you seen my gallery? almost the 90% of it is composed exclusively of personal fanarts, I mean something I drew just because I wanted to do it without anyone else paying me some money for doing it, you're just looking at the art I have done in the last time and thinking I only draw for money.

 It happens there are people that like my art and wanted me to draw some ideas for them, not as a request, not as an AT or a collab, but as a commission cause' they don't know how to draw the things they want to see, it doesn't matter if in hentai, ecchi or simple no kinky fanart.

 Saying I only do it for money is like ignoring my whole gallery.

 I'm saving money because I need to replace this PC like right now due to technical issues. I had some money saved for a job Id like a year ago, and now I'm making commissions to generate the rest I need in order to achieve that, because I'm not going to ask my parents to buy me a new computer. I have already said I want to stop making commissions for a while once getting this new PC and to dedicate myself to my pending comics/doujinshis, fanarts and other related stuff I can't work with right now so, as you can see, I have a goal, once the goal is completed I'll continue with my regular drawings for a while, then commission once again.

 Please, before saying I do all of this just for money, all of my latests drawings that are not tagged as "[COM]" were private drawings I did because I like to draw and nothing else, just because there are a little that are commissions doesn't mean I only draw for money, that's offensive, like really, really offensive.

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ZeldAlice In reply to Queen-Zelda [2017-11-03 22:36:03 +0000 UTC]

Did you even read my full message/reply?
I only said, IF you're doing this all just for Money it's sad etc, because, as I said, t's not what art is about. BUT, if there's also passion along with then, then use that passion as drive instead of the Money (again, not implying that you only do it for Money). And once again, making Money out of someone else's, like a big Company, is not recomended because you could get in trouble for that, no matter what your customers request. If they request, then it's best to do it for free because of its copyright content etc.
And I had no idea that you did Commissions before telling me in this comment section.

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TFCandy In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-01-02 06:34:53 +0000 UTC]

"And I had no idea that you did Commissions before telling me in this comment section."

What did you think the [COM] meant?

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ZeldAlice In reply to TFCandy [2018-01-07 13:30:45 +0000 UTC]

First, these kinds of short words/terms I am not native nor even familiar with. I am not into commissions so of course, my knowledge about these terms are thin, I am so sorry I made this sin of even uttering my confusion about it.

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TFCandy In reply to ZeldAlice [2018-01-07 18:19:00 +0000 UTC]

Then maybe read the actual description of the image before deciding to harp on someone for drawing a sexy picture? 

"ANOTHER commission for someone at WHentai! This time featuring our beautiful BotW Princess Zelda!"

Third line of the English version of the description.

If you are an artist and don't know what the word commission means, then I don't know what to tell you.

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ZeldAlice In reply to TFCandy [2018-01-08 18:34:30 +0000 UTC]

I know what the word commission means, I was just not familiar with the short term; COM. And COM in gaming-language can mean COMPUTER.
Plus, even though myself is an amateur-artist in some various ways, I don't do commissions, especially not on Fanart because one is not allowed to make money out of someone else's characters etc.

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