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Because I just felt like drawing my favourite norse gods again.Instead of directly using the comic designs I used some variations I created a while back. Loki's is pretty similar to the one in the painting
I'm currently reading the last volume of Walt Simonson's run of the comics. So far Hela has gotten annoyed at Thor for all his constant meddling and cursed him so that while he can't die, he can't recover from any injuries. Loki quickly finds out about this and starts sending off as many enemies at Thor as he possibly can.
I miss Simonson's art, I miss the sketchy scribbly but energised look of his work. But I'm coming up to Thors big battle against the Midgard Serpent. Made up entirely of splash pages drawn by Walt himself. YAY!
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Loki used 'O lol, I fucked your wife!'
It's super effective!
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A technique like that would be supereffective for the first five seconds before Thor bashed his face inward with the hammer
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Ah, but it wasn't - Loki got away with it.
Thor also got put down by Grey-beard the ferryman, who sat in the middle of a river trading insults with Thor and despite multiple death threats, Thor could do nothing because he couldn't cross the river.
But I guess the Ferryman did him a favour - because it was he who told Thor that Loki had seduced Sif.
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Yes, I remember that myth. But insulting Thor to his face has never struck me as a good idea.
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Definitely not. To be fair, Loki did back out after a while because h knew Thor would hit him with his hammer, Odin's hall or not.
All the same, I always thought of Thor as the kinda of closest the Norse ever got to a mary-sue esque character in the myths. He's not perfect, granted, but he seems far from as flawed as all the other characters and that irks me.
That said I haven't read everything, so maybe he's not as much of a 'diamond boy' as I take him for.
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well, Thor is at points very simple and stupid. He'd barely be able to figure out a logic puzzle and just try to smash it with his hammer. And on several occasions in the myths he gets mistaken for being a peasant
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Yeah, that's true. He's like one of original "big dumb bruiser's".
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Huh, I didn't know that. I've read all the Norse myths but it doesn't really pop up much. And it's not often seen in the comics either
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yeah right, in comics is a lot of imagination,
rarely are accurate based on myths.
about God of Fire, this is a little advice for the future.
In my mind fascination of Nordic mythology slowly develop into a religion.
XD
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'rarely are accurate based on myths.'
Depends on whose writing and how much knowledge they have of the original myths.
But either way the Norse mythology is so cool
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Indeed.
nordic mythology is so interesting and stimulates the imagination.
If you catched that blues.
Myths, not once gave me good ideas for artworks,
just a pity that, I never used them :<
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Yeah, Simonson was great. Although got to say- I seriously prefer your take on Loki's costume. It really works here. And, you know, he's just not complete without the ginormous horns.
Love Thor's cute, cross face.
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Thanks, these costumes came fromn doing studies of the original myths, so I was trying to create something more approiate for the Viking times than Spandex.
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Thanks, I wanted to make sure I wasn't out of touch drawing Thor and Loki
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In the 2010 "Hulk Vs Thor" animated cartoon, Loki and Hela refer to each other as father/daughter at least twice if I recall.
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I know, I absoulutely love Hulk V Thor. The fight between those two being one of my favourite animated fights.
It's just a bit of a grey area in the comics mainly because Loki's a lot younger due to being Odins son. But I think there are flashback stories with a young Thor and Hela is either seen or mentioned. And obviously there was death before he was around. So how can Hela be there if she's Loki's daughter at a time where Loki wasn't even old enough to have kids?
In the animated film they can get away with it. Due to no conformation about Thor on Midgard or anything with the Avengers it's not offically canon.
I don't know, I think the comics are just a bit on and off with Hela and Loki's relationship. In the new JM Stranskinji comics Loki and Hela don't refer to each other as relations
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Yup. Hela in general seems to be given a major personality shift every time someone new writes her, even in 2010 which probably had her appearing in more comics at once than ever.
I loved her costume - the spidery arms down her back extending from her head dress was particularly scary - in Hulk Vs Thor! Daikon drew it for me once [link]
Also, Peter David gives her some great dialogue in the recent X-Factor 212, even if her defeat and humiliation at the end seemed a bit OTT.
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That's a nice picture. Instant fave
I haven't read that. There isn't a particularly reliable source of comics near where I live.
But with Hela it's just what the writer wants to do ith her really.
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Is Hela = Hell, also known as Hel, the ruler of the underworld where the folks who didn't die in battle ended up?
If so, is she still Loki's daughter?
That sounds the kind of immortality one wouldn't want. Does he also rot?
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Yes, Hela is the same Hel from the myths.
It's a strange thing the relationship between Loki and Hela in the comics. I don't think Stan Lee knew that she was supposed to be Loki's daughter, so in all the old comics there's never any reference to that. In fact on one occasion in a StanLee comic where they met Loki seems absoulutely terrifed of her.
But since Simonson knows the myths, he's brought that continuity back. But how Loki became her father is never shown in the comics.
Generally, whether she is or isn't tends to switch betweeen writers.
Simonson gave a guest appearence to Angerboda and Thor referred to her being the the mother of three monsters' but that as close as it gets.
I don't know if Thor would rot, the Midgard Serpent threatens to eat him and suck all the bone marrow out, which doesn't sound particularly pleasant either.
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The three monster children of Loki were in the original myths driven away by Odin, as far as he could drive them, as he and other gods were afraid of them, and I seem to recall Loki was kinda terrified of Hel, but maybe that was just in the comics.
The part of Edda that tells the story of Loki's children doesn't tell us at all how he felt about his kids(or the gods' reaction to them). I can't remember if it's told anywhere else. I'll need to re-read Lokasenna, I wonder if that's mentioned there at all.
It would make sense that kind of thing would give him reason to turn on the gods, but the way the myths are born doesn't really follow any logical arc of drama.
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It'd be nice to see things like Loki's children pop up in the comics more, but due to the continuity being different he has different character motivation and history. Fenrir/Fenris wasn't even included until the Ragnorak story arc in Avengers Dissambled. at least then Loki did refer to him as his son.
For closeness and reference to the myths I'd read the Walt Simonson comics.
Possibly the myths don't follow the arc of drama is because they were originally to be told from word of mouth. The storytellers wouldn't have been thinking about following a set continuity.
The version I have of the myths Loki doesn't really feature in the myth about his children at all. I think it's up to the storyteller or reader to interpret that story. It's possible different storytellers gave lots of different interpretations and reactions to that myth. But the only version we really have now to turn to is the Edda
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In the Danish Valhalla comics the whole Fenris/Hel/JΓΆrmungandr being his kids is kinda clanced over. They probably still are, but other gods don't know it (they do mention Loki has the habit of sleeping around).
One of the characters asks where Fenris came from, and Frigg tells them no-one knows, but maybe Loki, who brought it from one of his travels.
The things with myths like these is, that the same characters, stories, and themes circulated and changed with the times. Different characters became one, stories were merged, stories that originally were about the gods and heroes of other cultures were refitted with the heroes and villains the audience knew. For example, I know old Finnish poems where Jesus was reworked as a powerful witch, and his death and resurrection as a trip to afterlife via trance, which was something the audience understood.
And some stories were not known in the whole land, or were invented later. For example, I'm not sure how widely accepted it was that Loki was the father of those three, and did those characters exist before, and someone just made a poem about how they were Loki's kids to link different stories.
Loki's origins and role in Norse mythology is kinda debated among people who study this kind of stuff, I believe. He is very different figure in different sources, sometimes a god, sometimes a jotunn. Sometimes associated with fire, sometimes with wind. Sometimes benign, and sometimes evil.
It's even possible different groups of people viewed him differently. It's not uncommon to depict a deity of another tribe/religion as evil in your own stories.
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It's very easy for a culture or society to change a version of a story to suit themselves.
The version of the myths I've read is an unabridged version which also notes problems in translations, chronology and inconsistancies.
But there are so many different versions I don't think anyone can really make a definative version.
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Yes, I'm not an expert on Norse mythology by any means, I read a lot of stuff like that when I was a kid, and treated it like a storybook rather than a subject of serious study.
My knowledge of the Finnish stories and myths and poems is better, but then again we know much less about those.
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