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HEY GUYS, I'M DOING COMMISSION FOR 10 BUCKS! [link]"Mr. President, I feel I have blood on my hands."
Does the very embodiment of America looks sorrowful or indifferent?
Entirely based on the guilty confession made by Openheimer to President Truman in regard of the Manhattan Project.
Was the bombing morally acceptable if it could save life of millions of American soldiers? Or it wasn't, seeing the state of Imperial Japan in edge of surrounding (another debate here) compared to the military and technology superiority of the US Army?
Although it would be some time before Oppenheimer discovered how this dramatic competition to achieve geopolitical goals formed a backdrop to the use of the atomic bombs, he, unlike Truman, felt an appropriate revulsion at what he had helped achieve. When Oppenheimer met Truman for the first time on October 25, 1945, Truman asked Oppenheimer to guess when the Soviets would develop a bomb. When Oppenheimer said he did not know, Truman shot back that he did: “Never.” Unnerved, Oppenheimer said at one point, “Mr. President, I feel I have blood on my hands.” The president, furious at Oppenheimer, informed David Lilienthal, “I told him the blood was on my hands—to let me worry about that.” Apparently relishing this story, Truman later offered alternative versions. He told Dean Acheson, “I don’t want to see that son of a bitch in this office ever again,” and another time called him a “cry-baby scientist."
-- extract from A Tragic Life: Oppenheimer and the Bomb, which can be found here: [link]
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Thanks guys! now if only my other pieces can receive that much love
Lineart drawn in Corel Painter and coloured in Photoshop.
Alfred F. Jones (personification of America) by the dude who draws APH
Fanart my the awesome me
Comments are very welcomed! ;D
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You win a free for this epic art! *clicks the fav button*
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I love historical Hetalia deviations.
The more poignant points of history make some of the best pieces. Thank you for this.
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Wow.. quite moving. It does address a very controversial subject.
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Was it justified? Well, I have my own opinion. My own very lengthy opinion.
But, for now, I'm not gonna debate--I want to congratulate ya on a purdy awesome fanart!
I think it does justice to the seriousness of WWII or war in general. I love Historical Hetalia for this exact reason--as hilarious as Hidekaz Himaruya paints world history, there's always the brutal reality that these things DID happen and it's our job not to forget them.
And also, you need a little of both Himaruya's lighthearted version and fanarts like yours to keep the balance.
They're equally important.
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Oh my, I LOVE debate. I actually rarely receive comments on a frequent basis and I'm dying for those lengthy juicy opinions posted on my stuffs. It's even better than flattery.
TEE HEE HEE HEE~ Thank you.
As for the balance of brighter & darker fanarts, I guess it's either due to the fact that I've been listening to metal 24/7 or due to my pessimistic nature; or both. Also, my personal goal of stop spending so much time on Hetalia and actually start investing more time on my existing characters is not helping XD it's so addicting though, and the fact that volume four already came out is not helping either.
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So true. Debating over historical events is fun, I have to agree. I don't get to do it often either--I think my peers find me intimidating.
You're welcome. (:
Hetalia must be made of awesome and cocaine, because it's definitely addictive. And distracting.
As for my opinion: (prepare yourself)
I think that there were flaws to dropping A-bombs on Japan--but it did it's job. The President was given many options, one of which was a land invasion on Japan. Keep in mind that at that time, our main objectives were ending the war quickly (so as to preserve resources) and to cause the least amount of American casualties, both military and civilian. We didn't want to give Japan the chance to retaliate back at us, on the American homefront. Plus, there was a general fear and hatred for the Japanese, hence Japanese internment camps throughout the states.
If you take all these variables into consideration, you have to then ask "What other choice did we have?"
Yes, war is a horrible thing. Yes, war makes us do horrible things. Mass death, mass suffering--well that's never good.
But bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki is the equivalent to launching a War on Terrorism. After the hype has died down we may ask ourselves "What have we done?" but right then and then there, who do you think would oppose it?
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This is completely awesome. Nice to see some history in Hetalia art. You make me want to make good fanart.
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THEN DO IT.
(I stopped by your page & few deviations & few TL;DR. You sound awesome.)
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OH WHY SHUCKS. You seem pretty legit yourself. I fangasm to anyone who knows about history. Unfortunately historydorks are often the silent minority in the fandom at times.
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ON YES COME ON ME *slapped*
Since this knowledge is pretty self-taught, I wouldn't say I'm legitimately digging a channel back to 20th century, but I often find competing countries staring at each other forpenissize for own national interests seemed more interesting than countries waving flags sitting on unicorns gliding through rainbows and sunshine, oh, and the subtext.
I think the hierarchy of historydorkdom itself is pretty complicated: there are those staying silent due to fear of being ridiculed by deeper!digger dorks, and there are those who aren't naturally expressive, and there are those just being lazy, thinking that repeating something others already mentioned doesn't matter anymore. It's kind of awkward, but hopefully we can somehow share mutual understanding.
(Just saying, I fangasm to anyone able to dickslap-I mean brainslap anyone else with pure logic& facts without support of unjustified morals.)
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Oh yes to the first one. I like to think that I'm a decent historydork, but I am fearful I'll do something that will get wall of text telling me that I got the colour of B-57s wrong or something.
Plus, there are so many fun little historial tidbits that are just cool to know. Like when the Canadian Prime Minister Pearson opposed American bombings in Vietnam and the American President Johnson grabbed him by his lapels and screamed in his face for an hour.
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this is amazing. You've got it, the characterization of America as serious. Sometimes I don't agree with Hetalia for the glossing-over of some parts of history, like the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings/the Holocaust, but... I guess that's for the fans to do. This is amazing.
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...;D And the overly-smoothed out sino-japanese relationship as well as their characterization.
Well, considering it is a controversial subject the creator would of course prefer harmony over flamewar, and oh my thank you *blushs*
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... Yes, that's another thing I've noticed. I have a couple of friends that I know in real life, who immigrated from China in the last five years, and while they love anime and manga, they cannot stand any mention of the Japanese outside of that. It's an old-rivalry, but since I'm just Chinese-Canadian and was born here, I don't have those same feelings. It's residual World War II ... animosity, I suppose it would be called.
That does make sense. And you're very welcome.
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The grudge is still there, but the strength is slowly erased by generations; though, it isn't very nice to receive the apologize from the japanese government this late after the whole thing has happened...
Oh, Chinese-Canadian
Hello baby, let's hit on each other. To begin with, do you live any places near the province of Ontario?
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That's a good way of putting it.
(I just looked at your avatar. And now I'm laughing. Forever. Okay, not forever. Just for... an extended period of time. Say, two minutes.)
wait, you're Chinese-Canadian too? Weirdly enough, I haven't been meeting a lot of ... us? Me? My kind? ... anyway, yeah. On here. It's strange, since I see LIKE TONS of ... us/my kind in real life, but as soon as I get here it's like. "YOU JUST GOT SWAMPED".
ohbby
actually, it's pretty ironic. I'm on the exact other side of the country, in the other Asian center (Vancouver). This is pretty unfortunate.
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Its the side of America Hetalia doesn't really cover.....beautiful.
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Alternative views may be interesting as well.
Thanks!
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And I was playing around with gradient tool
LALALALALALALA THANK YOU!
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it was actully a bad idea...I did i debate on it last year and turns out Russia was gonna help and send support in a matter of days when the bomb was dropped...oh and I love your drawing it looks amazing!
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"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
Why thank you ;D
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This is amazing. In my opinion Truman was a -insert bad word of choice-
not for his decision to release the A-bomb but for the way he treated Oppenheimer
for his guilt. I still don't know how I feel about the A-bomb in general tho.
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Oh my, thank you ;O
Despite my strong disregard for conservatism, I must say he is an interesting man of ideology leading an interesting country in an interesting way.
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It happens, different paths are often drawn by the same motif. ;|
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America is one of my favorite characters, and while I love happy go lucky pictures of him, I think the darker, more serious drawings are much more enjoyable.
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Oh my, what a compliment ;O
Sometimes taking in a new perspective makes things new again, though, I always have this feeling of forcefully interpreting APH in a "darker and edgier" way (hello TVtropes!), which is just somehow wrecked.
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Oh wow this is amazing...Alfred looks just so...I don't even know what to say. God damn you make me happy. Alfred...god...
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Why thank you! I am very glad that you appreciate it, though it somehow makes you happy...?
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IDK...It makes me happy...somehow....
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FINALLY.
I have been waiting to see if someone would do something involving America and Oppenheimer (who I personally find fascinating). So seriously, thank you (and for not being inappropriate and screwing up a very serious subject that sometimes seems to happen with APH fanart).
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Since APH is more of a gay(happy)anime with sunshine and rainbows that introduces the outside world than a satirical piece, I guess it's rather normal for the fandom to beautify (or screw up) the serious stuff.
The combinaison of a guilty scientist and the personification of America from a Japanese animation... Even I find it odd, so I am very glad that you appreciate this strange (yet symbolic, hehe) mix.
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That is true, I honestly didn't really expect anyone to TRY to tackle this for that reason.
And no problem, the thought has crossed my mind a few times as well. I just always thought the guilty scientist was a (horribly) interesting thing to consider, especially since I am studying to be a scientist.
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After all, Oppenheimer failed at being a saviour but succeeded at being a scientist.
But there can be scientist of any sorts, even scientist of humanity ;D
And oh, geology, what a curious subject!
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Very powerful. I love your picture, and your interpretation.
Peace is better than war. Love is better than hate.
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Go back to your hippie van. 8D
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LOL!! That just absolutely made my day!
/goes back
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i love everything about this picture... the expression, the hands the coloring, the concept... all of it! great job!
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I've been meaning to comment on this OTL
All I can really say is that it's perfect. I think it's a brilliant representation of the quote and event. This subject always is something of turmoil within me in trying to dissect the usage of the bombs and how I feel about it. I guess we'll all have our biases and opinions, but in the end I think the embodiment of America looks sorrowful.
Great work again. <3
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And I've been meaning to reply to your comment, so I guess that makes it equal.
Even if the bombardment might be an unnecessary step, after all, bombs are made to be dropped.
Thank you for sharing your opinion and interpretation with me
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I've never been good with interpretations, so I'm just going to list everything I love about this.
The sketchy line art
The soft muted colors which bring focus to his rity dirty hands covered in blood
Your eyes are just drawn to the torrent of blood running down his hands
But, even more than that, I love the explanaation you added alongwith the picture.
Oppenheimer's quote really hit home for me.
Deep. Powerful. Gorgeous.
Just THIS.
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Gah, thank you, I feel so honoured.
I'm very glad to learn that what I've conceived actually conducts to a well end.
And the impact of learning this quote is so great that I've just graved it in my memory.
This picture is supposed to be (at least I hope) objective in regard of the event due to the complex expression shown by Alfred, but I guess from your comment I just read your interpretation. It's nice seeing that ;w;
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I've never heard that quote before. Thanks for making it know to me.
Other than that...I'm speechless
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Glad that I left you speechless ;D
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Very powerful
Since Hetalia is based on history, it's nice seeing actual history in the fandom, and this is lovely.
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