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Everybody gets what they deserve!

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History Fact::
By knowing the scandal about that famous necklace MA was guilty even if she hasn't had done anything herself in this case! During the affaire/trail nobody believed that the queen was innocent and just a victime of the events, where Jeanne de la Motte was known as the instigator of it all, together with the very naive Louis René Édouard de Rohan-Guéméné. 
So why was she to blame for though?
Well, because she was guilty even if she was not.... Her image, her behaviour and her selfish actions (to act just for her own good/advantages (and against the king) , her affair to Fersen and spend unimaginable amounts of money for her pleasures instead of caring for France and her people) lend the french folk to an enormes disbelief, scepticism and even hate towards that Austrian!  

Justified imho! 

And as we all know, it doesn't get better with the queens popularity after it too! Not surprising!
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Why the Lady Oscar Art Style here? 
Well I think I must say that I have the great misfortune  to be able to have mastery of that Artstyle. And sadly Ikeda preferd (again) an illusion of that Austrian than the truth... So.....


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Marie-Antoinette - History
(Art) Version of MA (C) Riyoko Ikeda

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WhitePedal25 [2018-11-12 19:46:06 +0000 UTC]

While Marie never commissioned for the necklace her grandfather in law made for his mistress, after he died, Marie and her husband should have put a stop to the production of the necklace after the King's death so many troubles could have been avoided in the future and she should NEVER have burnt the receipt either, it would have proven her innocence had she had someone investigate the jewelry company and asked who was getting the necklace for her in the first place, and Jean and the other conspirators would have been caught early.

And you're right, while she didn't commit the crime, the people of France already saw her as selfish and irresponsible in her duties as queen and they paid the price for her negligence and Louis's lack of backbone. At that point, even before the trial, the damage was done and Marie sealed her own fate.

You make Marie look so evil here I wonder how the series would have went if Ikeda depicted Marie in this version. Oscar would probably have lost her patience and maybe leave the guard earlier, even if her father got angry at he for it. To be honest there were times I wanted to see Oscar slap some sense into Marie when she acted selfish and not helping the people.

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RedPassion In reply to WhitePedal25 [2018-11-12 20:38:13 +0000 UTC]

First of all the queen was called Antoinette NOT Marie!  
I know in the Anime/Manga they did but it is still SO WRONG!!!    (like SO Many things there too!!)
How can ppl who claims to know (and/or probably likes her - which is totally unintelligibly to me!) her and call her 'Marie' anyway??!! I don't get it...  
Secondly - Jean - is a male name - you mean Jeanne!

I also don't think it is her nor the kings fault, to not "stop the further production" of the famous necklace made by Charles Auguste Boehmer and Paul Bassange! It wasn't the kings responsibility just because his grandfather ordered it!   
There are rumours brought up in that overrated book of Antoina Fraser, that the king offered it to MA in 1778 BUT she refused it. But nobody knows if this is true or not... If it is well...
There are some different "reasons" why she did refuse it already in this early years...
Some believes in a statement of Madame Campan that the Queen refused it with the statement that the money would be better spent equipping a man-of-war (Man'o'war).
BUT Madame Campan used to made up things, to interpret things the way she wanted it to be and not how it really was! Like her real position, importance AND her view/way of thinking  of MA herself!

According to others, Louis XVI himself changed his mind' And some Others again are/were sure that, MA "refused the necklace because she did not want to wear any jewel that had been designed for another woman, especially if that woman was a courtesan she disliked". And THIS is honestly what makes the most sense to me why she refused it and always did according to her childish rivalry she started with the wonderful Mme. DuBarry!

Also: Her selfish and irresponsible behaviour has nothing to do with Louis and/or with lack of backbone!  Yes he was much tooo often tooo soft with her! And after his darling children were born more than ever. Yes this was a mistake. BUT no one could know that Jeanne would be able to make this historical affair ever lasting! THIS was a new situation. For everyone!
And yes he could have stop her so expensive spending long before, BUT the problem was that (beside his arseholes of brothers!) MA too knew how to play Louis off for her own advantages by throwing money out of the window without letting him know. One can say she used to buy stuff/things ,for example and just presented him the bill, because she perfectly KNEW he would never refused to pay it and to risk that someone else/a servent etc would "starve" just because of him/his family, you see?  

You know I actually don't care what Oscar would have done or think since she is fiction and more or less out of my concern, except when it comes to arts...  beside that I couldn't care less of her!   
BUT yes I think she would have leave much earlier though too! 
A dear friend of mine did a great drawing of a pissed off Oscar who executed the Austrian herself on the scaffold. That was very funny to see. LOL

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WhitePedal25 In reply to RedPassion [2018-11-12 20:53:21 +0000 UTC]

People call her Marie for short for the most part. 

Oh my bad, typo.

That does make sense, she wouldn't want to buy what was supposed to be for the King's mistress's necklace on the count it was for someone else and it was for someone she hated. So Louis's brother's were partially responsible for letting Marie Antoinette get away with her spending? Never knew that and poor Louis, and I never knew there was a woman named Madame Campan who made those statements. Though when she got the receipt after she refused the necklace she never should have burnt it.

True, she is fictional but she is a great character. Oh that's interesting.

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RedPassion In reply to WhitePedal25 [2018-11-13 13:05:03 +0000 UTC]

In the Anime/Manga BUT NOT in reality! :/

>>That does make sense, she wouldn't want to buy what was supposed to be for the King's mistress's necklace on the count it was for someone else and it was for someone she hated.<<
Indeed. At least that the only logical reason why she did refuse it more than just once because it was actually made for someone she hated. I don't think she cared for the price like other wants to believe. But MA was highly superficial her whole life long. Even until her death. 

>>So Louis's brother's were partially responsible for letting Marie Antoinette get away with her spending?<<
No, that's not what I said. I said ~ he could have stop her so expensive spending long before, BUT the problem was that (beside his arseholes of brothers!) MA too, knew how to play Louis off for her own advantages by throwing money out of the window without letting him know. 

>>Never knew that and poor Louis, and I never knew there was a woman named Madame Campan who made those statements. << 
That's because you don't do researches for the real history/people as it seems! Seems you trust just in Zweigs/Ikedeas made up fiction/Anime/Manga and that's kind ignorant, sorry to say :/ 

>>Though when she got the receipt after she refused the necklace she never should have burnt it.<< Yes that is true. But she acted like most of her time: ignoring everything she wasn't pleased in, everything which was boring to her etc,... As I said: PURE superficiality! 


>>True, she is fictional but she is a great character. Oh that's interesting.<<
She is but even if I kinda like her, she is to much like a Mary Sue in my eyes. Especially in the Manga because - everyone loves her, wants her, is in love with her, she can do everything, no flaws, beyond pretty and so on... typical features of a Mary Sue!

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Tenshika11 [2018-11-12 19:29:17 +0000 UTC]

Amazing, so kawaii! 

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