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RedPassion In reply to WhitePedal25 [2018-11-12 20:38:13 +0000 UTC]
First of all the queen was called Antoinette NOT Marie!
I know in the Anime/Manga they did but it is still SO WRONG!!! (like SO Many things there too!!)
How can ppl who claims to know (and/or probably likes her - which is totally unintelligibly to me!) her and call her 'Marie' anyway??!! I don't get it...
Secondly - Jean - is a male name - you mean Jeanne!
I also don't think it is her nor the kings fault, to not "stop the further production" of the famous necklace made by Charles Auguste Boehmer and Paul Bassange! It wasn't the kings responsibility just because his grandfather ordered it!
There are rumours brought up in that overrated book of Antoina Fraser, that the king offered it to MA in 1778 BUT she refused it. But nobody knows if this is true or not... If it is well...
There are some different "reasons" why she did refuse it already in this early years...
Some believes in a statement of Madame Campan that the Queen refused it with the statement that the money would be better spent equipping a man-of-war (Man'o'war).
BUT Madame Campan used to made up things, to interpret things the way she wanted it to be and not how it really was! Like her real position, importance AND her view/way of thinking of MA herself!
According to others, Louis XVI himself changed his mind' And some Others again are/were sure that, MA "refused the necklace because she did not want to wear any jewel that had been designed for another woman, especially if that woman was a courtesan she disliked". And THIS is honestly what makes the most sense to me why she refused it and always did according to her childish rivalry she started with the wonderful Mme. DuBarry!
Also: Her selfish and irresponsible behaviour has nothing to do with Louis and/or with lack of backbone! Yes he was much tooo often tooo soft with her! And after his darling children were born more than ever. Yes this was a mistake. BUT no one could know that Jeanne would be able to make this historical affair ever lasting! THIS was a new situation. For everyone!
And yes he could have stop her so expensive spending long before, BUT the problem was that (beside his arseholes of brothers!) MA too knew how to play Louis off for her own advantages by throwing money out of the window without letting him know. One can say she used to buy stuff/things ,for example and just presented him the bill, because she perfectly KNEW he would never refused to pay it and to risk that someone else/a servent etc would "starve" just because of him/his family, you see?
You know I actually don't care what Oscar would have done or think since she is fiction and more or less out of my concern, except when it comes to arts... beside that I couldn't care less of her!
BUT yes I think she would have leave much earlier though too!
A dear friend of mine did a great drawing of a pissed off Oscar who executed the Austrian herself on the scaffold. That was very funny to see. LOL
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WhitePedal25 In reply to RedPassion [2018-11-12 20:53:21 +0000 UTC]
People call her Marie for short for the most part.
Oh my bad, typo.
That does make sense, she wouldn't want to buy what was supposed to be for the King's mistress's necklace on the count it was for someone else and it was for someone she hated. So Louis's brother's were partially responsible for letting Marie Antoinette get away with her spending? Never knew that and poor Louis, and I never knew there was a woman named Madame Campan who made those statements. Though when she got the receipt after she refused the necklace she never should have burnt it.
True, she is fictional but she is a great character. Oh that's interesting.
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RedPassion In reply to WhitePedal25 [2018-11-13 13:05:03 +0000 UTC]
In the Anime/Manga BUT NOT in reality! :/
>>That does make sense, she wouldn't want to buy what was supposed to be for the King's mistress's necklace on the count it was for someone else and it was for someone she hated.<<
Indeed. At least that the only logical reason why she did refuse it more than just once because it was actually made for someone she hated. I don't think she cared for the price like other wants to believe. But MA was highly superficial her whole life long. Even until her death.
>>So Louis's brother's were partially responsible for letting Marie Antoinette get away with her spending?<<
No, that's not what I said. I said ~ he could have stop her so expensive spending long before, BUT the problem was that (beside his arseholes of brothers!) MA too, knew how to play Louis off for her own advantages by throwing money out of the window without letting him know.
>>Never knew that and poor Louis, and I never knew there was a woman named Madame Campan who made those statements. <<
That's because you don't do researches for the real history/people as it seems! Seems you trust just in Zweigs/Ikedeas made up fiction/Anime/Manga and that's kind ignorant, sorry to say :/
>>Though when she got the receipt after she refused the necklace she never should have burnt it.<< Yes that is true. But she acted like most of her time: ignoring everything she wasn't pleased in, everything which was boring to her etc,... As I said: PURE superficiality!
>>True, she is fictional but she is a great character. Oh that's interesting.<<
She is but even if I kinda like her, she is to much like a Mary Sue in my eyes. Especially in the Manga because - everyone loves her, wants her, is in love with her, she can do everything, no flaws, beyond pretty and so on... typical features of a Mary Sue!
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Tenshika11 [2018-11-12 19:29:17 +0000 UTC]
Amazing, so kawaii!
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