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Broly, the Legendary Super Saiyan, and Asura, the wrathful demigod driven by revenge.Who would win a Death Battle?
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Say bye-bye Broly. Asura's going to vaporize you into space dust.
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I just played Asura's Wrath, and half the time I was pretty much "I think I'll do the insanely impossible today" when I wasn't going "now to make god himself s*** his draws in terror" or "That's it, EVERYONE DIES!"
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WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!IT IS REALLY AWESOME.i can,t say exactly which one is better but i think this must be a hard battle for asura.broly is really powerful,even goku and vegeta almost can,t to defeat him with each other that each one are some of the most powerful characters.so i am not sure for asura.REALLY NICE WORK.
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I think you don't know asura
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Lets just agree to disagree
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Asura has this no problem. No disrespect to DB fans but Asura is more powerful than anything Dragon Ball has ever come up with.
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I personally don't want to see this battle take place on death battle, because they will most likely undermine broly's abilities and make him seem pathetic. I have observed asura's powers and have seen him take out his own creator, but when I compare that to dbz standards, I am a little disappointed. While destroyed a planet sized boss with his bare hands, he lost five of his armsin the process. Broly destroyed a planet without even trying. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes (even though people believe I am) but I honestly don't believe that asura can defeat broly in this fight. That's just my opinion.
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What makes you think they will make broly seem week and pathetic? Death battle isn't like that
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Their renditions of Vegeta vs Shadow, Goku vs Superman, and Buu vs Kirby are my examples. I'm a fan of dragon ball, so this is obviously going to sound biased, but I believe that deathbattle should let the fans do the research because the fans actually know their stuff. They tried to apply too much science to the DBZ universe and thus unintentionally dwarf their actual abilities. For example, in the original dragon ball show, kid Goku was able to move faster than people could see (deathbattle's method of measuring Goku's speed was flawed) which is unimaginably fast. Therefore by the usage of powerlevels (everything can be measured in the fictional universe, even powerlevels despite their inconsistency) we can imply that anyone at or above a certain powerlevel can already perform a certain feat. For example, Master Roshi (again in the original dragon ball show) at a powerlevel of 138 was able to obliterate the moon with a fully charged Kamehameha attack and go on to defeat Kid Goku and win the Tournament. Therefore we can imply that anyone at or above a powerlevel of 150 is capable of blowing up a celestial body and move faster than the eye can see (for the average human). And so when we get to characters like Majin Buu (who has a powerlevel above about one billion) is significantly faster than light and can destroy planets with ease.
So now back to why I don't believe deathbattle would give Broly a fair fight, because they took their same methods for analyzing the previous battles with Vegeta, Goku, and Buu, and apply them to Broly, which would make him appear to be a weaker opponent than he actually is. Did this make some sense to you?
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didn't they say in goku vs superman that they wouldn't use that theory regarding power levels that states if one person at a certain power level can do something a person with a higher level can as well(power scaling i think it was called)?
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I think they may have said that they wouldn't use it, because the author intentionally wanted to make them sound stupid to show how ridiculous they are. However, I don't know of any other method that can be used to gauge a DBZ character's powers accurately.
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well based on what i saw in the episode and what i remember from the dbz show i say they measured him pretty accurately if not over exaggerated his his max potential(in an interview(forget where) chad AKA boomstick admitted that given what they researched superman WAS op and that they were generous with the formula they used to measure goku's power, since the boom doctor jero made to destroy him COULD destroy the world according to bulma and not WOULD destroy the world, which means it probably wasn't as powerful as they said it was and that the maximum amount of force goku can withstand is probably much lower than what they gave him. so they were kinda generous with they gave him, even it unfortunately didn't matter in the end.
also theres a flaw in your power scaling theory: by your logic raditz who had a higher power level then both goku and picolo when he fought them should have been able to accomplish the same feats as picolo's special beam cannon(which killed him and goku) or better...but he couldn't otherwise he might have won(keep in mind i said MIGHT). it's just one example but it does show that the theory isn't bullet proof which shows why they wouldn't use it to judge a dbz characters abilities.
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Now before I begin my rebuttal, I must say that neither of us will probably change each other's mind, so let's both try to be as civil as possible in this debate.
1. First of all, I respectfully disagree and say that DeathBattle tremendously downgraded Goku's powers and abilities. We must remember that each fictitious comic world retains a certain amount of science. Some worlds use more science then others and if we apply too much science to certain worlds, we take away the reason why tremendous feats occur there to begin with. You say that DeathBattle was generous with the formula they used for Goku, I completely agree. But do I believe that their formula was accurate, no, I do not and this is why. In the DC universe, science is used in practically everything. Therefore, the data gained from using science to calculate Superman's strengths and weaknesses will be incredibly accurate and match up with the feats he achieved. In the Dragonball universe, there is nearly no actual science in the whole of the entire franchise. Therefore the data gained from applying the same science used from the DC universe will be unbelievably inaccurate to the point of extreme. Why is this? Because the data contradicts the feats that Goku achieved in the seires. Also, we understand that Dragonball is inconsistent when it comes to strength and such, but that's because Toriyama was writing it to entertain people, not educate them. So when the show states something that is inconsistent with the feats, then the only things we can use to gauge the character's strengths are power levels and feats. Therefore we can conclude that a certain amount of science can be applied to each fictitious comic world.
2. You said that the bomb Dr. Gero built meant to destroy Goku could destroy the planet, I agree, but let us remember that Gero built it before Goku left for Namek. Back then, his highest powerlevel was possibly 20,000 at the time, so all Dr. Gero had to do was create a bomb that would certainly destroy him. But by the time that Goku came in from Namek, he was a super saiyan and neither he nor the other android could defeat him. Therefore Dr. Gero's approximation of Goku's powers were staunchly underestimated, and therefore the bomb he created cannot be used to measure Goku's durability.
3. You said that there were flaws in the power scaling theory, I agree, there are flaws, and that's why we learn and go on to further develop them along the way. No theory is completely flawless, but the most accurate theory should still be used. You also stated that according to my theory, Raditz should have been able to destroy both Goku and Piccolo with ease. Let's remember that this show is meant for entertainment and doesn't give the foggiest care in the world whether the feats are accurate or not. But for the sake of the argument you have given, I shall defend my theory.
I myself have noticed the inconsistencies in Dragonball and have pondered how they could rectified. The solution is surprisingly simple. This may or may not make sense to you, but bear with me. I have come up with a template that all character's in the Dragonball universe follow. Their highest strengths are speed and ki. Strength and durability are rather lower on the scale. If you have watched some of the show, you probably have noticed how it is very easy for a Dragonball character to destroy a celestial body (that being a moon or a planet). Master Roshi who was the weakest character in DBZ who could use ki attacks, was capable of obliterating the moon at a power level of 139. Piccolo and Goku were about 600 and 605 when they fought with Raditz. Since Piccolo was stronger than Roshi, he could certainly destroy the moon (as he did later on when he was training Gohan). All he would have to do, is charge his attack to the highest degree he could and since the beam is a little smaller than the Kamehameha's beam and the quality of the attack was stronger at the time, it's not surprising that it could pierce through Raditz' armor more easily.
4. You said that my theory isn't bullet proof and that that was why DeathBattle didn't use power scaling, to which I agree to an extent. No theory can be bullet proof to everyone who doesn't understand everything that is going on in it. Please don't see this as boastful, but I believe that I understand the what's going in the existing science a little better than your average fan. Therefore since I know something that someone else doesn't know, then of course the theory isn't going to make much sense to them, but here is my final statement. If a theory is the most efficient, then it should be used regardless of the flaws that it may possess.
I hope that this will make some sense to you. I would discuss more issues with the power scaling theory, but I didn't want to confuse you by going all over the place. Let me know if you want to discuss certain issues. Send me a note if you wish.
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fair enough
1) how does death battle's data downgrade goku's abilities/feats? last i checked they took every one of those exact things into account when doing they're research.
2) they took that into account. remember in the original translation it was said the bomb could potentially destroy the world(or at least part of it) and due to the TNT measurement on the bomb itself death battle concluded it was measured in quadrillion megatons since it takes at least "X"(forget the exact number) quadrillion megatons to destroy the earth. and keep in mind this was for goku's BASE form. they imputed these number's into they're formula multiplying it by the power increase each super saiyan form gives separately in the order goku goes through them. in the end super saiyan 4 goku can easily(forget the exact number) tank WAY more than a simple planet destroying blast. i'd say that's pretty darn accurate and hardly "downgrading".
3) "the entire point of introducing them(power levels) was to show how unreliable and meaningless they were" the reason mater roshi could destroy the moon is because of his ki techniques and training. not his power level. same applies to picolo killing raditz. just because goku has a higher power level doesn't guarantee he can do the same techniques as others. he could probably learn them but it doesn't mean he knows or can do them. that's why death battle can't use power scaling: because it requires too much assumption regarding what goku can do.
4) i see you point and i agree but unfortunately power scaling is NOT the most efficient method of measuring goku's feats. if it WAS they would have used it in the end. based on what I've seen(keep in mind the people from death battle got a a lot of experts from both fandoms for help with this episode regarding the 2 characters according to the intro) the gravity formula works very well for determining goku's potential at that point in the series and hardly sells him short, but that last part is my opinion.
we both have good points and views to give regarding this topic, but other than for making interesting fights to watch i believe this is the point of death battles: to encourage/start discussions regarding topics like this.
Whether or not either of us is right or wrong remains to be seen(i'm well aware of the fact i could be wrong on lot of things as i'm sure you are as well) but regardless i can honestly say i enjoyed hearing/reading your stance and facts regarding this topic and i'm also glad for being able to state mine. i hope to have more discussions like this in the future
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I enjoy doing these little debates as well.
For the sake of time for both of us, let's send each other shorter pieces of evidence so that we don't have to spend all day at the key board making a reply. Please send me one point at a time, and I would be happy to make a rebuttal.
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Actually yes it makes a lot of sense, and it doesn't sound biased. I still think superman and kirby winning was correct but they couldve explained it without using actual science right?
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This is where you and I differ. I believe that Kirby's victory was a significant blow in the face of ever dbz fan. If you have seen Kirby run in his video games, he is CLEARLY not faster than light. I know that his warp star can make him travel faster than light, but when he's off the warp star, his speed decreases dramatically. As I have previously stated in my earlier comment, by the LOI (laws of implication, just making it faster), if one character in the DBZ universe can move faster than the human eye can see and obliterate the moon at a power level of 150, it can be reasonably assumed that anyone above that power level is capable of those feats too. As is mentioned in the DBZ show, Buu was able to obliterate entire galaxies by systematically blowing up the planets one by one. Yes he did it one by one, but there are at the least 400 billion of stars in the Milky Way galaxy, and in order to do that, even if it took him 500 years would require Buu to destroy about 2,191,780,821 stars A DAY in order to do it within 500 years. Furthermore, the Milky Way is 120,000 light-years across which would require Buu to be moving at about 670,616,629 mph for 120,000 years in order to cover tire galaxy. Therefore, I believe that it is reasonably safe to assume that Buu is both significantly faster than light and can blow up planets with ease, and if Kirby can survive one planetary explosion, fine, but can he survive 100 or 1,000? That is something I highly doubt. And what deathbattle stated about Kid Buu not teleporting when he was getting destroyed, they forgot to note that in the series, buu actually pushed back Goku's spirit bomb and it required Goku getting his energy regenerated and him putting even more energy in the spirit bomb to destroy buu.
This is why I believe Buu would defeat Kirby and not the other way around. Sorry about ranting a little though. Did this make any sense?
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Actually yes that does make a lot of sense, damn you did your research. But I do ask this, now don't get mad because I don't know that much about DBZ. So about the Warp Star thing, ya I do believe Buu is capable of being faster than light and has fought people faster than light, but Kirby's Warp Star might be able to go faster than DBZ characters. Of course Kirby would not be able to survive 100 or 1000, but that would require a substantial amount of time, and honestly one thing I was surprised with was kirby not swallowing Majin Buu, taking his powers, and then Buu escaping as Kid Buu and them then battling each other but Kirby then has his abilities and his own. Okay, if there are some things that don't make sense in this, like I said don't get mad because that was a lot of info to take in.
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That's okay. Offense not taken. When Majin Buu escaped from Kirby's stomach dimension, Death Battle forgot to include Super Buu in the fight and they exchanged Kid Buu's fighting abilities for Super Buu who is substantially weaker. That part about tearing the fabricate of reality just by screaming was originally done by Super Buu, and he was just throwing a fit. What you said about Kirby's warpstar being faster than DBZ characters is by no means false. It is faster than SOME DBZ characters, being the human fighters and possibly Piccolo, not the saiyan fighters, being Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan. What you stated about Kid Buu needing a lot of time to charge his attack isn't inherently true. In one of the DBZ movies, one character who was a saiyan named Broly, was able to obliterate an entire planet with a quick and simple blast. Here's the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdtI_…
Therefore, if a saiyan who is weaker than Kid Buu could do that, then by the LOI, we can safely assume that Kid Buu could do that too and more. I'm not trying to put down your opinion, I'm just stating what I believe. And just for the record, there is one thing that Kid Buu could have done. Had he absorbed Kirby, that would be it and he would have won the match.
What do you think of my explanation?
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People don't get that broly is legendary because his power level goes up without having to train we can make this fight happen just go on death battle or screw attack and spam this for a fight
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Funimation's Broly doesn't count
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uh that effect wouldn't matter because broly can now become super sayian 4 vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/d…
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I want to see that Death Battle happen. When it happens (if it does) they better make it 3D. That should the season finale. Thanks for the pic tho.
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If Asura could obliterate Goku, then he can easily whup Broly's ass
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Who cares who wins we gotta find a planet with out ether of them on it.
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Now HERE is a nice match-up! Broly, the Legendary Super Saiyan and Asura, the Demigod personification of Rage.
This can really go both ways, depending on who gets more pissed at a faster rate, and the rise of strength and physical attributes along with their individual spirit powers (ie Ki or Mantra).
In LSS mode, Broly can destroy planets effortlessly, and is physically superior to anything short of a SS3. The true power of Broly's LSS Form lies within the ability to gain strength at an indefinite rate, according to the elongation of battle and according to his own mental and emotional state leaning more and more to a wrathful persona. Sadistic and Unyielding, he gives little to no quarter to his enemies
Now for Asura, this guy is a real monster. Every time you kill him, he comes back stronger, and even his base form would make Goku look out of shape (in his prime, of course XD). When donning his six arms, this guy can take on beings with god-like power that are many times his size and strength. At the sacrifice of his own body, he has mustered strength far beyond his own capacity due to his unforgiving rage that empowers him. At his maximum, he was able to destroy the god-boss of the game, despite himself being a mere demigod.
This would really be a battle of attrition. While in his Super Saiyan state, Broly can be a force to be reckoned with and more than a match for Asura's lesser forms, but at LSS, he can produce energy blasts that can envelop planets with ease and muster ungodly strength.
At the height of Asura's rage, he's been seen annihilating entire space fleets, destroying a planet-sized demigod, and holding back a planet buster beam for a dozen seconds. This is a testament that Asura's power can overcome most situations that'd been dire for any other being, just by getting angrier and angrier.
I'm calling this battle a Draw. In the end, I think they'd end up killing each other, even if one beats the other to the punch at the end. It really comes down to someone favoring one character over the other. I think in their own way, they're equals, but to fans, one might be stronger than the other.
Thoughts?
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Asura killed the creator his universe. With nothing but his rage and determination.
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At the cost of his own life force, of course XP and I did mention that Asura did that above. I'm taking them outside the context of them facing their ultimate challenges, and just them facing each other
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Did Broly fight some one as strong as him with a katana that can pierce the Earth?
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I'm not going to have this argument
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I know a lot about Broly, but I don't know anything about Asura! Can somebody explain to me what can he do?
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Well, Asura is the Demigod of wrath, from the game Asura's Wrath. He uses a magical form of energy called Mantra. His Mantra is Wrath, so the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. In his quest to save his beloved daughter and avenge his wife's death, he kills several powerful demigods. He's incredibly strong and agile, with several hundred thousand years of combat experience and can launch powerful energy blasts, charged or in a machine gun fashion. He has several forms, all of which give him a massive power increase:
1) Normal form
2) Six-armed form (he killed the weakest of the demigods in this form, who was bigger than the Earth itself, by punching his continent-sized finger and making him explode)
3) Beserker form (he has two normal arms and two gigantic energy arms, he was able to match and take the full power of a planet-busting lazer weapon) Although very powerful, it hurts his body.
4) Burnt-out Beserker form (weaker and still hurting, but powerful all the same)
5) Mantra form (creates 1000 arms and fuses them together to create two enormous arms, he killed a planet-sized monster that represented the will of the planet, which was more powerful than all of the demigods he killed combined, with some help from his brother-in-law Yasha)
6) Destructor form (when he gains the Mantra reactor, he unlocks his full potential and is able to hold all his power, becoming Asura the Destructor, who is bigger than the Earth itself, has six Mantra form arms, is capable of destroying many suns with energy blasts effortlessly)
Asura has accomplished the impossible in the most badass of ways, defeating legions of monsters (sometimes without arms, they're destroyed, so he headbutts and kicks them to death)and powerful demigods, coming back from the dead several times because he was too angry to die and killed the creator of his universe, Chakravartin, who was essentialy GOD, with his bare hands, at base form, because he made Asura's daughter cry! A powerful, deep, interesting and surprisingly likeable character, he's a fan-favorite for many. Even some DBZ fans agree that he can beat everyone in the DBZ universe. Some say he could even beat Superman. But all agree that he's as badass and as manly as it gets. Hell, I'll bet he even rivals friggin' Kenshiro in terms of badassery and manliness!
Hope this humble nerd has helped you in informing you of Asura's capabilities. If you want more detail about Asura, I suggest you watch one of the many walkthroughs of his game, Asura's Wrath, on YouTube. If you are a fan of anime, over-the-top action scenes and epic battles within an excellently well done storyline, check it out. You won't regret it.
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somebody call chuck norris because we need someone to stop them if they get out of hand...
But Asura will defiantly win.
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here a real fight ! mhm, i think it could be really hardcore and many planets are goind to be desrtoyd, but it's gonna be an epic battle. I like broly, but I think asura would win
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