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Registered111 In reply to AnneKMT123 [2016-12-21 05:10:46 +0000 UTC]

This is really weird to say as someone who has, like, three (four? five??) different Frisks in their head, but, I don't think I can say I have a headcanon for Frisk. But yeah, I could definitely see them being a bit heavy-set. (And obviously a cutie.)

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AnneKMT123 In reply to Registered111 [2016-12-21 05:26:05 +0000 UTC]

I'm trying to work on getting the facial structure right (because lordy loo that's a struggle) but my Frisk is half Hawaiian and they get REALLY invested in their culture when they grow up because they find their birth mom and she introduces them to this whole world that they came from that they never really knew about.  And with culture comes food (plus my Frisk is kind of an anxiety filled bean and food is kinda a comfort thing, especially once they hit high school).

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Registered111 In reply to AnneKMT123 [2016-12-21 07:28:20 +0000 UTC]

I am completely with you on the consistent facial structure struggle. I live that pain. That and consistent heights. I feel pretty certain I have never drawn the same character with the same height more than like twice in a row at best

That all makes sense, though! And sounds very interesting too, just on the grounds of your Frisk having one of their birth parents become an important and positive part of their life after the whole Underground business. That's not the sort of angle and idea that's explored very much -- for any of my own sets of these kids included. There's a lot of room there for exploration, certainly!

(And to fairly share: This Frisk was on the tubby side since childhood thanks to a disorganized and unstable home life leading to malnutrition and disordered eating habits (I.E. having to take care of their own and a younger sibling's food needs most of the time, keeping or making food in their household being largely impossible, and frequenting the 209X equivalent of McDonalds as a consequence because it was the cheapest reasonable solution in terms of ratio portion sizes and free refills to pocket change) combined with simply a slow metabolism and other genetic factors. Winding up living with monsters proved to be a lot more stable and healthy overall, in every respect.)

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AnneKMT123 In reply to Registered111 [2016-12-21 08:49:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh my gosh right, facial structures and consistent character heights are public enemy number one

And thank you! It was an especially fun angle to work with bc my Chara (who we brought back from the dead in an RP because reasons) did not come from a healthy family life at ALL in regards to their birth parents, so meeting Frisk's mom and seeing that she's a good person and that she had good reasons for the things she did was met on Chara's end by this mix of approval and respect and just a little bit of envy.  And it's giving me a pretty good excuse to study a culture very different than my own.  (I have a headcanon that once they get their hands on Moana, Frisk dresses up as her for Halloween /every/ single year because they see their determination and their culture in her.  The movie also made their mom openly weep and they really have a soft spot for it.  One year the kids go as Stitch and Moana and it's a riot.)

(My Frisk just really likes food lmao.  They grew up in an orphanage because Momma Dearest couldn't afford to take care of her kid but wanted them to have a good life, so she felt that doing that was the right thing.  My girlfriend actually helped set up this backstory where the on;y reason their name is "Frisk" is because the fella in charge couldn't read the first name on the note so he flipped to a random page in the dictionary and picked a word and called it good--and they go by Frisk because the name means more to them than a word in a dictionary, but their birth name becomes like this secret special code word between Frisk and their mom and Frisk loves when their mom calls them by their birth name and I just idk I love the kids so much

And now they live with Tori and Sans but they have their birth mom over all the time and she's at family holidays and they encourage their mom to finish school and as a graduation present they both go to Hawaii for like two weeks and!!!!! just I'm

I'm weak for Frisk I love them so much)

(It does make me happy that for your Frisk, living with the monsters improved their health drastically (esp. mental health because that's an important thing to have in check.))

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Registered111 In reply to AnneKMT123 [2016-12-21 18:11:25 +0000 UTC]

I was wondering in the back of my mind about how Chara would respond to Frisk's mother in this scenario... And what your Chara's circumstances were too. Honestly, them just having to deal with accepting a human besides Frisk that they accept and like -- especially an adult and a parent -- is hugely unexplored territory on its own, and worthy to think on just by itself. I'd be excited to hear more about your kids and see how their story plays out! (Tangentially, this sounds like all the more reason why I should make the time to watch Moana sooner than later. ... And Lilo & Stitch too, I suppose, though I'm certainly a little late to that one. >.> )

That all sounds adorably sweet, too. Frisk's birth name being a... Sort of "second" name, something they treasure without abandoning their own name is another novel take, actually.
(None of my Frisks have a positive relation with their birth names, I can tell you that.

This Frisk came to really dislike and not identify with their birth name some time before they came to Mt. Ebott, and abandoned it once they fell into the Underground, seeing a chance to "start fresh." It took them a while after that to come up with Frisk as their real name, though.

Haleward -- my Swap AU -- its Frisk had a very similar story, though they did have the name "Frisk" in mind when Asriel asked them what their name was. But then, uh, [bad things happen] and they wound up reincarnated as a flower. They took their birth name back as a sort of symbolic rejection of who the person they were and a way of embracing their "true humanity" -- which is to say, their soulless flower nihilistic malevolence. To that Frisk, "Aster" is to them what "Flowey" is to canon Asriel, just with the birth/assumed names switched around.

And finally, this Frisk's [r] counterpart simply does not have any recollection of their real name. They have a vague sense that it probably wasn't originally "Frisk" -- they only became aware of that name the moment Asriel asked them what their name was -- but nothing more than that. (They are the one with the most needlessly dramatic and convoluted backstory, in case that somehow wasn't clear already.))

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AnneKMT123 In reply to Registered111 [2016-12-21 19:57:56 +0000 UTC]

Chara's a neat character for me, because they've been dead for like 5,000 years but they've been observing all kinds of stuff underground.  They know a lot of things about a lot of monsters, they spent a long time watching Gaster do dastardly (Gasterdly?) things in his lab and they understand WingDings, but they've also spent a lot of time stewing in everything that's happened to them (and they came from probably the l e a s t positive birth parents, or at the very least their birth father was kind of a piece of garbage).  Being back and meeting Frisk's birth mom was, again, met with some envy, but she serves as an example to Chara that not all grown ups are literal garbage, and that knowledge gives them a lot of hope overall.

Ah, good ol' bad things happening.  I think that's a pretty neat idea too, ngl.  I think one of the neat things about Frisk as a character is that "Frisk" is such an odd name? So it's neato to see how different people think they wound up with that name and how that plays into Frisk's story overall.  A lot can be developed around a name and idk it's really hecking neat

(Also yes you should see Lilo and Stitch because it's lovely, and I could not more highly recommend Moana because w o w it was a beautiful movie)

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Registered111 In reply to AnneKMT123 [2016-12-26 00:17:46 +0000 UTC]

Y'know, the very start of this makes me realize that there were elements to how you an individual can interpret Chara that I, having become so used to the ways that I think about them, had just forgotten existed entirely.
Specifically, the idea you raise about them having been conscious, or at least "aware" to some degree, all the time that they were dead. Not to mention just how long they were dead, how much time passes between the Buttercup Plot and the events of Undertale.

Cuz' for me, from the time that I really started to understand who Chara actually was instead of the multiple layers of obfuscation the game has layered on top of their character -- particularly their role as the game's sole narrator and Frisk's constant passenger -- I'd basically always taken them to have been, well, completely dead and gone from the time Asriel died until the start of the game, only being "reborn" when Frisk arrived in the Underground. And that probably maybe a 150 years at most passed between Chara and Asriel's deaths and Frisk's arrival.  With oddities like all the (incomplete and sometimes mistaken) knowledge they have about the current state of the Underground and its inhabitants being side-effects of their new existence as a, um... Determination Shade/Psychic Brain-Ghost Thing.

(Relatedly, I also take the entire New Home Walk sequence to be something like a... Hallucination -- a vision that Frisk and Chara experience due to a combination of Chara's weird dead nature and Frisk's position as the Underground's current DT Peak. Like, they both experience the feelings, experiences, hopes, dreams, hurt, and loss of the Monsters and their history rather than literally encountering a bunch of actual monsters who happen to explain all this to them as they pass through New Home. This whole sequence always felt super surreal to me, and this helps me explain some oddities about it -- like how Froggits and Moldsmals and stuff are able to speak coherently and eloquently, or how the sequence only happens once per meta-playthrough, not repeating unless you make a True Reset. Buuut I can't say that I think this is a Definite Explanation, much as I like it and find it viable. IT'S NOT WRONG, IT'S JUST MY HEADCANON!)

That's not to say that I think your interpretation is wrong or not viable either, I will point out. It's just that I'd become so stuck in how things are for my take on these kids that I forgot that alternative even existed. >.> It's certainly an interesting take there, as well! It gives Chara a lot of "power," no matter how little agency they're willing to exert or judgment they're willing to cast.

And yeah. Things can never go well for the Royal Children, no matter whom they wind up being. That is a rule of this universe. Unless it's not. If you're curious to hear more about Frisk and Asriel as that pair of unfortunate children, I've got a brief bit of depiction of their relationship available here . Hopefully I'll expand this out into a few more scenes as part of a short, three chapter fic I have in mind sooner than later...

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