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Published: 2010-01-16 08:34:55 +0000 UTC; Views: 1451; Favourites: 86; Downloads: 33
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i have been thinking for a long time of changing my fursona to that of a dingo... why? because i am an proud aussy mutt...Just like a dingo my ancestors moved hear and now i call this place home...
Oh ps... NEVER USE MY PHOTOS... its really annoying to find them on photobucket... thank you!
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Haha, the fence looked familiar, I've been there so many times and the dingoes have to be my most favorite part of the place! : )
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XD i like the devils myself
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The devils are pretty cool, I could watch them all day, haha!
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He is XD I want a dingo but I have to many dogs as it is XD
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Good shot. Do you also have photos of actual wild living dogs?
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^^ no... plenty of pet dingos around but no wild ones in this area...
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And you have adingo-conservationist every second day telling you that it is wrong to have these dogs?
At least it seems so from up here based on all those news-sites and dingo-conservationist-sites.
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XD no... you can keep them without to many problems...
Pure dingos are accentually becoming very rare around here because idiots dump undesexed dogs...
XD one of my friends has a pure dingo pup tho. Arrow is her name... shy little thing... was pulled out of a burrow after a farmer shot her mum... they do make quite good pets but there still... well wild...
XD a few people will be like "its so wrong" But most people i know who have them take good care of them and give them long runs to burn off that extra energy they have...
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Personally I don't understand what all the fuss is about when people talk about "pure" dingoes. Dogs have been traded between Asia and Australia longe before Europeans came and the dingoes that were originally used as comparison were untested and only a very small sample. All in all it is questionable whether they represented the full "pure" Australian dingo-population. So this "purity" seems to be a rather artifical construct than an actual fact. I think the whole topic has more to do with nationalism and what I call "canine racism" than real conservation. I noticed that there is often this talk about dingo-hybrids being able to breed two times per year. This seems like a weak excuse to me because pup-rearing is stressfull and energy-consuming so two litters per year is rather rare. All this talk sounds like a little bit of genes from other dog-lines negates natural selection.
What you tell about them doesn't sound any lets say "undog-like". Reminds me of the dogs I had (3 german shepherds, 1 shepherd cross), man they had to be excersized all the time, especially the current cross.
And I don't know how old Arrow is but that she is shy was to be expected since she was born in the wild and therefore not socialized to humans.
Maybe the people who object the most are the ones that see dogs only as pets (meaning only companions or living accessoires/robots). But let's say you have one that comes from a long line of working or feral dogs and have them at home all the time, they would probable wreckage your home because they are bored.
And it's not as though dogs from other lines aren't shy as well. Just met a Saluki this day who didn't even wanted to make short contact and was intimidated.
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Its actually about the potential loss of the species. while they originated from asia they are extinct there. if they start becoming mutty we could lose them forever. They actually came here BEFORE our aboriginal people.
Not everyone should own a rottwhiler, a germen shepherd, or a pit bull. people get them sometimes because they want a powerful dog and then those animals become aggressive, destroy the house or attack a child or something... its the same with a dingo. if you treat it right and understand its needs then they can make great pets. if you get them because there 'cool' then they can become a real problem real quick!
arrow is a soft hearted dog... she loves the one who bottle fed and raised her but dose not trust others... (Understandable since her first experience with people wasn't exactly pleasant) she is a dog with special needs that not everyone could meet.
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Ok, I don't know where you have your info from but as far as I know they are neither a separate species nor did they arrive in Australia before humans. Genetic analyses and archoelogical evidence point to an introduczion about 4000 years ago.
I heard before what you are saying but that was from a quite fanatical dingo-breeder who accused me of being like a creationist when I presented my sources but who did not present his. What is your source for your statements?
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XD i get my information from my animal studies class. the dingo is also known as the 'asian wolf' they arrived in Australia with asian fishermen from the islands above Australia before our aboriginals got here. They are a wolf genetically. not breed of dog. they became extinct where they where before (which is highly debated exactly where they came from) MY exact sauses... everywhere... This is pretty much common knolage... but my animals studies class. the Australian museum of err... the one in Canberra... national museum? *shrugs* There are many things about australia people try to cover up. try to remember that when makeing your judgements. For instance the aboriginals whiped out a race of people that where here before them! they even did cave paintings OVER THE TOP of these much older paintings (this was a really recent discovery) but people try to sweep this under the rug because it would mean that uropeans arnt the bad guys they where made out to be... so no one talks about it or rights about it and if you do your called racist...
NO FACTS about this country should EVER be taken at face value and NO RESERCH should be blieved because there is so much taboo to talk about...
It doesnt bother me if you blieve me or not *shrugs* It also changes nothing about what i see them as... the one fact i am 100% sure on is this: 'the dingo is the asian wolf, now extinct everywhere but australia' Where they came from and when... well its so debated that im not sure any sause is reliable... the aborigonals will tell you they braught them with them but they where here before them with the fishermen according to more reliable sauses... but whos really to say?
Anouther, more random point is... how dose that make you a creationist? Err... dingos didnt 'evolve' here... that again common knolage... there considered a 'native' specis now because they have been here so long the animals have co-evolved around them (which only takes a few hundred years... sometimes not even that!) and there now extinct everywhere else...
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I don't know how that weirdo justified his statements I guess he didn't like that I came to the conclusion that the dingo is a dog and not a wolf.
Anyway you made a mistake as well since you stated that they are not a breed. Well true of course, I think you forgot that the vast majority of domestic dogs in history did not belong to any breed. My current one doesn't and since she is not the product of direct human selection she is strictly speaking not domesticated. Furthermore what makes a certain population of animals a breed and what not is without objective criteria and basically picked at random. In addition the vast majority of breeds only came up since the Victorian Age.
It might be true what you say about the Aboriginals but don't forget, I am not in Australia up here so a more critical stand would be no problem, basically because there is no one to complain. But so far I haven't heard about that. Albeit there was a theory that their might have been a dog-population prior to the dingo in Australia.
But how do you justify that dingoes are not dogs if they show the same characteristics that on average are regarded as the differentiating features between a wolf and a dog?
Don't get me wrong I am critical because it sounds very much like the "rehabilitation" of the dingo which a read about in "The Beast within" by Peter Howard. He stated that the undertone in the popular press is that to be a Grey Wolf, or Asiatic Wolf, is to be "more wild", and therefore more valuable.
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all i can do is repeat what i know im sorry. all i know is that again, the dingo is the asian wolf who migrated hear with the fishermen on there boats... end of dingo fact file...
I have had experience with them personally and could tell you the ins and outs of there personality... but i really cant say much beyond that... really...
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Don't worry I won't ask any more about individual personalities of dingoes, we would sit for decades if we do that.
My interest lies more with your animal class. Where does it get its information? Is it based on observation, archaeology, etc.?
What you say sounds very similar to what I came across when researching on the dingo for my article: It is simply stated by, especially Australian, sources that the dingo is not a dog but a wolf, or when it is a dog not a domestic dog.
However usually this is not backed up by any evidence and if, it is usually said that they don't bark and only breed once a year (supposedly like wolves). However it has long been proven by Australian and non-Australian researchers that dingoes are able to and do bark. And it has also been proven for years now that wolves bark as well and they can bark very loud. You can find the evidence for that even on youtube:
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So if dingoes would not be barking it would make them less like wolves and not more like them. It gets even weirder when some of those claiming that dingoes don't bark nonetheless mention their ability to bark-howl which would be impossible if they were not able to bark. In addition a single heat per year is not dingo exclusive. This phenomenon has already been proven for Basenjis, New Guinea Singing Dogs and Indian-Pariah dogs and while some would or do count these dogs as dingoes you cannot say the same for the West Siberian Laika. Supposedly a single heat per year may also occur among Tibetan Mastiffs, but I have no proof for that. In addition, heat cycles adapted to the seasons also occur in other dog-lines.
The fact of dingoes having bigger teeth and they "specific" skull measures is also not a strong argument since many dog-lines have specific skull measures and teeth sizes as well. In addition what dogs were used as a comparison to dingoes? Anybody with at least average knowledge on dogs should know what a difference it can make if a dog comes from a show-line or a working-line even if they belong to the same "breed" (look for the Border Collie as an example). But I also never found out what dogs were used as comparison, neither could I find the reason why the dingo was provisionally classified as Canis lupus dingo and not C.l. Familiaris in the 1980s.
In addition the talk about the origin of the dingo is misleading. While it is true that there is evidence for an East Asian origin respectively a descent from the Canis lupus pallipes for the dingo, the same is true for all domestic dogs. In fact Canis lupus pallipes is still regarded as the most likely ancestors of domestic dogs. Without mentioning this fact all these statements basically suggest that other dogs have a different origin.
However there are several factors known to me that this "Asiatic wolf and separate species"-statement seems to ignore:
1)Dingo males are on average able to reproduce all year round.
2)According to research in Germany at least under the conditions of Middle-European captivity dingo-females can have two heat-cycles per year.
3)According to research in Germany the facial expression of the dingo is rougher than that of wolves and they tend more towards a phonetic communication than a facial one.
4)Dingoes also have less impressing-behavior than wolves.
5)They usually have sabled/curled tails and some even carry them on their backs.
6)According to skull measurements by Helmut Hemmer, the domestic dog has on average a 30 % lower relative brain size than the grey wolf. The dingo falls directly into the measurements of the dog-skulls and has on average a 30 % lower relative brain size than the average grey wolf.
7)The supposedly high number of hybrids is direct evidence against the species statement since a free mating (meaning same conditions and given free choice) speaks of two populations belonging to the same species not separate ones. In addition dingo-hybrids are usually fully fertile, as is their offspring even if the hybrids only breed among themselves (inbreeding excluded of course). And this phenomenon is not new. Alfred Brehm already mentioned dogs wandering into the bush or dingoes mixing with shepherd dogs and Brehm died in 1884.
8)Dingoes can on average understand human hand signals and social cues.
9)In genetic analyses of dogs and wolves mtDNA types of dingoes fell right into the main clade of domestic dog types which contained 70 % off all dog-types.
10)According to genetic analyses from 2010 the dingo shows not only descent from the wolves of the Middle East but also from Chinese wolves (just like the Chow Chow, Akita Inu and the Shar Pei). These analyses also suggested a separation from other dogs around 2000 BC. In addition these results classified the dingo among the "ancient breeds" therefore them being genetically very separate from most other breeds (however the paper stated that most breeds did not occur before the Victorian age). Among these "ancients" the dingo belonged to the "Asian group" together with the Chow-Chow, the Shar Pei, Akita Inu and the New Guinea Singing Dog. (Wilton later claimed that these results stated that the dingo and the NGSD were closer to wolves than other dogs, however the officially published paper did not state so at all, therefore I was again very skeptical of Wilton's statements in general. In "Genetic variation in the Australian Dingo" he used the name Canis lupus dingo himself for these dogs but nonetheless referred to the dingo as a separate species.)
This all speaks for dingoes being domestic dogs and not a separate species. Not to mention their looks. Their appearance occurs among domestic dogs but not among wolves. If dingoes would be a separate species genetic differences would have been detected much sooner. But prior to the 21st century no clear evidence had been detected. But now it seems like there is the argument "we found some with more refined methods so they are separate". But this is nonsense; of course you find more differences between two beings if the measurement-tools get more refined.
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dingos are sooo cute<3
my fursona is a dingo lemurr haha(:
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Oh?
I was thinking of changing my fursona (which is a fox atm) into a dingo or a Tasmanian devil...
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thats really wierd cause i was gonna change her into a tazy devil at first then i went with dingo xD;
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I got to coudle a devil not long ago! it was awesome!
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i did and faved a few o:
your gallery is pretty niftyy
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Oh thankyou ^^ i shall take a good long look at yours when i finish up with these pesky 97 deviations XD
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