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Description I've been rewatching brotherhood and I was talking to a friend about how cool Greed's armor thing is and yeah

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RoochArffer In reply to ??? [2013-07-26 21:25:51 +0000 UTC]

yep. i wonder if his feet regenerate themselves back to normal when they start getting deformed by the pointed toe 

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-07-27 14:05:54 +0000 UTC]

Can the rest of him regenerate?

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-07-28 10:35:17 +0000 UTC]

yeah, immortal-ish person but not really cuz he did get killed eventually.  more like a cat with more than 9 lives.

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-07-28 15:03:02 +0000 UTC]

Or convenient plot guard.  There is no stronger shield than plot relevance.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-07-29 08:36:21 +0000 UTC]

haha, well he is a main-ish character.  kind of. he gets killed but sort of remade but he's not exactly the same person.  kinda like the doctor from doctor who... except his existence relies on the power/absorption of human souls instead of mystical time lord regen powers

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-07-29 14:42:49 +0000 UTC]

That is only partially maybe kind of a vague explanation per say.

How do you know that the doctor isn't secretly a soul goblin?

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-07-30 08:20:02 +0000 UTC]

that would be quite the twist.  saving humans' lives only to consume them later.

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-07-30 08:36:38 +0000 UTC]

It's the perfect cover!  It's like that episode of King of the Hill where Dale gets excited about stealing a news van; they can't report it and thus it is the perfect crime!  (Dale is a tad naive)

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-07-31 07:49:30 +0000 UTC]

perfect indeed

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-07-31 17:51:45 +0000 UTC]

Even more so than that puzzle about a man committing murder with an icicle, or that one about a man hanging himself by standing on an ice-cube.  (I could keep saying "or that one about" for a long time, but that would be redundant and at some point I'd wonder if all fishy deaths were the result of solid water in plotting stance)

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-01 05:48:23 +0000 UTC]

i hadn't heard of the standing on an ice-cube one.  apparently ice is the way to go when it comes to death

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-01 05:49:47 +0000 UTC]

Titanic was only a warning.  It has come for us all.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-02 01:52:01 +0000 UTC]

i am struggling to refrain from quoting game of thrones but yes, apparently so.  

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-02 02:37:32 +0000 UTC]

Which quote do you intend to refrain from?  The night is dark, and full of many good quotes to use.

Speaking of the Thrones, it turns out Peter Dinklage got a voice-acting role in Bungie's Destiny, which seems promising as it is.  I'll wait before passing final judgment though.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-03 10:23:33 +0000 UTC]

winter is coming


i had not even heard of that before.  i've not been paying too much attention to new games lately

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-03 14:09:32 +0000 UTC]

Winter ought to stay away if it knows what's good for it.


I didn't know either until I watched some footage from E3 and the developer's commentary pointed out that it was him.  I can hear it as him now, but it wouldn't have been my first guess (likely because the voice is distorted by an echo).  Destiny looks pretty good, like I said, but like most new games it will not be one I play for quite a while.

If you do play a new game, play Bioshock: Infinite.  I know we already talked about that one a long time ago, but I continue to stress it.  Or Tales of Vesperia, a Gamecube game, if you feel like dusting off the Wii; that was one of my favorite RPGs.  

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-03 20:06:44 +0000 UTC]

but i want it to be fall.  it can be fall for as long as it likes really.


i'm not sure i would recognize his voice immediately.  it's not a voice that particularly stands out to me... i think.

i'm also not sure it's physically possible to play a new gamecube game

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-04 15:18:29 +0000 UTC]

Fall is a good season.  The entirety of October and all the thematic goodness that comes with it is a notable favorite every year.


I watched it again with my friend Chance and we both thought it was a black guy speaking.  XD

Games you haven't played yet are always new.  Try Custom Robo if you can; it's impossible to find online because everyone wants approximately $120 for it, but used game shops seem to have no idea how much it is worth and sell it for $15 if they have it.  (it's rare because it was a lot of fun and English copies are scarce these days)

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-04 22:09:11 +0000 UTC]

yesss, cold but not too cold and pretty orange colors and yes i like it


haha, i love finding things like that in stores for cheap

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-06 00:47:17 +0000 UTC]

What about all the things that taste like various squashes and nutmeg?  Cinnamon, cider, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, etc.


I've found a couple good ones from the olden days at a good price, but most are either nonexistent in stores or expensive in a way that reflects their nostalgic call.  Nintendo games are especially known for out-pricing others for different consoles of the same era.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-06 08:17:32 +0000 UTC]

yes, yes excellent.  although, Roommate did have a pumpkin milkshake that was just awful last fall.  i tried it and can confirm awfulness. how does something that tastes so good in a pie with ice cream taste so bad in ice cream?


not what i wanted but i tried

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-06 14:25:25 +0000 UTC]

Either it's because it was wet or they didn't use the same ingredients.  Cookie dough ice cream is almost always good.


Were you trying to make Nintendo magic?  Nostalgic magic.  "Nostalgia is a potent human weakness, second to the throat." - Dwight Schrute, The Office

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-07 04:12:53 +0000 UTC]

strawberry ice cream is my favorite in a shake.  i tend to buy plain old vanilla though because you can do more with it (like sticking your own cookie dough in it - alternatively making it chocolate with syrup or making an orange julius or adding fruit or cinnamon or chocolate chips or whatever)


i was indeed.  nostalgia is this wonderful thing though... like sometimes i wish i had it for things i don't have it for? like i have a bunch of friends who get nostalgic about sailor moon or power rangers or other things i didn't watch and it makes me sad i can't experience that (though i can do it with the sailor moon theme song... just not the show itself)

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-07 07:23:42 +0000 UTC]

Strawberry ice cream is the bees knees, as is anything made from strawberries for that matter.

Do you have a machine or something?  That is a lot of creativity for one dish... cup... blender vase thing.  (we used to have orange juliuses about every three months as a kid)


I understand.  Though I did watch Power Rangers as a kid, I don't get any kicks out of watching them again.  Memories but no nostalgia.  I can sit around and enjoy something like classic Spongebob, however, feeling like it links me to my childhood.  I believe it is an entirely personal matter and that you shouldn't feel bad about not having it for certain things.

I have zero nostalgia for Sailor Moon because I never watched it.  It was a "girl's show" and besides, watching any anime into middle school would get you labeled as "gay."  I hate some of our accepted social expectations.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-07 08:00:40 +0000 UTC]

no, no machine - simply arm power haha

though we will have a blender next year and it's really exciting!

my dad used to make them on occasion.  now i skip the egg and just put orange juice on ice cream - Roommate noticed me doing it for the first time last week (even though i've been doing it all year) and was weirded out


i think i was largely unobservant of peer pressure until junior high. i just disliked whoever tried to pressure me and then didn't care before then.

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-07 18:55:39 +0000 UTC]

Try this engine, it has two arm power.

Your new blender will have 1000 arms of power!!!  Imagine what you could do with that.  You could hold open so many doors.

That doesn't sound bad, though I don't think it is technically a julius anymore.  I think that just makes it a float or watery sherbet.  The consistency of the egg adds a lot to it.

I don't think I ever really listened to peer pressure, per say, it's just that you know you don't want other people saying things about you behind your back that they would then think about you every time they saw you.  Actual peer pressure, such as "you should totally go do [blank] with us" is easy to resist because it is clear-cut and avoidable.

I definitely agree with you about disliking anyone who tried to pressure me to do anything directly.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-08 06:59:00 +0000 UTC]

forget holding open doors you could draw so many things D:  well okay you might need multiple brains for that as well.  though the same is possibly said of opening doors?

yeah, that's the true way to make it but i don't reaaally like adding the egg because raw egg but i will drink it if someone makes it for me haha


yeah, perhaps social conformity is a better word for it? but i mean, like, i didn't care what people thought about me till a very particular point in junior high where i realized i didn't want to be made fun of? and that there were certain ways you had to behave in order to achieve the not being made fun of goal... like that was a... relevation?

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-08 16:43:59 +0000 UTC]

It depends on how complex the doors are.  I think a static repetitive action would be easier to calculate than multiple complex ones involving memory, perception, control and imagination.

Yeah, I am also not fond of egg diseases.  Come to think of it, why do we eat cookie dough?  Schools serve that.  A lot.


Exactly.  You have to fit the formula of the status quo to live in peace with the main population.  I hid or changed so much of my life because other people didn't like the idea of it.  If I have kids some day, I might consider home-schooling them.

Revelation is also an apt descriptor.  It never seemed to matter before this "set" age was reached and society really began to dig its claws in.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-09 06:58:33 +0000 UTC]

quite possibly but i know i still push doors the wrong way all the time.  even ones where i should know which way to open them by now

i don't know but i love cookie dough and just pretend i don't know about the egg... although i never had it at a school - Roommate makes it occasionally 


home-school is an interesting idea but at the same time i do value having gone to public school.  you just gotta find the right people i guess... i feel like my doctor told me that once after i told her i didn't do drugs

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-09 14:31:21 +0000 UTC]

It's only bad when the door says PUSH in giant letters and you pull it.  Then you might have a reading problem.

I agree that it is awesome in ice cream and stuff.  Cookies and Cream bars are excellent.  We haven't gotten ill from them so far, so we seem to be okay.


I do as well.  I know that without going to school I would not have met the people that I met and I wouldn't have the same friends.  One of them is sitting a few feet away from me right now playing Pokemon (this is the one who just got married).  

I don't know how I would feel about my doctor telling me that my personal decisions are the result of random luck and the influences of others.  I mean, to an extent this is true, but it discounts your choice in the matter.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-10 02:46:51 +0000 UTC]

there's one in the dining commons that always messes me up because it's a push but it looks like a pull with a sideways handle

clearly cookie dough must be ridiculously healthy


yeah, i mean part of it is just genetics and inclinations based off that but the rest... well it just depends on your experiences throughout life and a lot of that can be chalked up to peer groups (and parents)

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-10 15:19:11 +0000 UTC]

Next time you try pulling it, act like you are locked in and yell "We're trapped!" while putting your full force into bringing the handle or the door off the wall.  After that, wait to see how many people freak out.  If you already have the attention of others, you may as well direct it.

I should invent ULTRA HEALTH cookie dough and sell it to people so that this could be a reality.  It would be made only of the healthiest ingredients, such as 1000 raw eggs, oven baking, fresh air, mountain spring water, pine scent, and dog therapy, all cooked with one's feet in the pool on a not-too-sunny eighty degree day with a nice breeze.  And I shall call them EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN A HEALTHY COOKIE: Cookie dough.


You're right, and I know that's right, but I can't help thinking that I as an individual am responsible for who I turn out to be.  But is thinking individually also the result of cultural influences?  People from another culture may not even consider what I just said in my first sentence.  The only way we can find out for sure would be to mentally condition and train an infant in a secluded environment, which would rightly be inhumane.
Ah, there is so much more that I could put here into this discussion, but my brain is telling me "sleep halfway through your next sentence" and so I cannot add it at present.  XD

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-11 06:22:55 +0000 UTC]

i'll remember that for future use

i am not sure feet-cooking sounds that healthy. i am also unsure of how you would make dog therapy a physical cooking ingredient


i would say thinking individually is definitely part of culture.  there are individualist and collectivist cultures out there that place different values on the individuals vs. the community and we all fit on a spectrum but i am thinking these are possibly things you are already aware of because they are a thing you study in basic cultural anthropology and i think you have taken a class on that? anyways, i am not sure we need to raise secluded infants.  also they've totally done that with monkeys (and it doesn't turn out well) and there's that one psych case study ummm "jeanie" i think

that being said, the idea of being in control of your personality is tempting.  i find it a bit similar to the idea of a "soul" though... maybe anyways, i dunno

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-11 15:24:09 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I meant that you would have your feet in the pool while cooking, not that you would use your feet to cook.  XD  The grill/oven device would be suspended above the watery surface or something.  Dog therapy can be made physical by extracting it from people feeling it.  You wring them out with a giant sponge to absorb their exuded happiness.  The sponge is non-harmful, of course.  Then, you purchase an "essence of dog" and mix them together; the essence mostly consists of happiness and a strange fixation with small rodents and bacon.


I am indeed aware of these things.  (some class info, but mostly from thinking about it on my own and discussing the subject with my dad; he used to be a professor, so I got a lot of extra schooling growing up)

Do the monkeys go out of their gourds and murder the living daylights out of each other?  I know of the one where a baby started to behave like a chimp, is that Jeanie?  (I am much more familiar with Robin Williams' Genie)

I don't think it is a soul, but it is something that makes you "you," and it can only belong to one person.  Perhaps this is the genetic influence that you are born with.  In any case, it is nothing that can be scientifically verified or even studied because we haven't started cloning people and placing them in different cultures under extreme surveillance.  That would probably be inhumane or immoral, both our cultural concepts.  lD

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-12 02:46:23 +0000 UTC]

oh i must have read that very quickly - also, late at night, woops

i don't know if i am comfortable feeding on the happiness of others.  also dog essence probably smells bad.


they become somewhat violent and extremely anti-social i think.  

Jeanie is the girl who was like... raised in a closet with no human contact for the first 10-13 years of her life and couldn't talk and afterwards wasn't ever to really learn a language


we do have twin studies though?

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-12 16:48:42 +0000 UTC]

Shush, it would be your own happiness.  Another problem solved by perpetual energy.  Dog essence smells like how the world is through a dog's nose, so nearly everything smells like food, including soda cans (our dog is becoming quite myopic and mistook a can for a french fry for several minutes).


They sound like they become introverts forced to go to a loud party with heavy drinking once a week with people they hate.

I have never heard of that one.  I know of the girl who lived with her twin and her mother out in the woods for her entire life and developed a "twin-speak" language after her sister and then mother died.  She was eventually taught English and to the best of my knowledge she still lives today.


We do have twin studies, but those are more or less guess-and-check experiments.  Twin stereotypes and urban legends remain popular despite, or thanks to, official studies.  Redheaded twins also seem to be a popular selection.  I know that for a fact; I have two of them as characters.



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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-13 05:20:25 +0000 UTC]

that's a rather large mistake... i imagine they don't smell or taste much the same


well i'll trade you then because i haven't heard of that one


ha, i too have redhead twin characters. oldest characters i have. that's kinda weird

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-13 16:40:22 +0000 UTC]

You'd have to ask him, he was the one gumming it while ignoring the fry we kept moving in front of his nose.


They made it into a movie that I saw a long time ago.  I remember my dad going into shock when they showed a scene with nudity.  I don't think he knew how to explain it.  Luckily for us both, I didn't even remember it, just the scene that took place around it and how much of a jerk the guy was (I remember that at all because we laugh about it now).  I think he was surprised that a teenage boy, aka me, didn't jump out of his seat when a woman flashed the screen.  XD

I think that is also one of my earliest memories realizing I could define myself as asexual or at the very least not as interested as my peers.

I think we may have had some influence from some people :iconweasleyplz: ok

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-14 03:32:06 +0000 UTC]

chewing on a can sounds painful D: like nails on a chalkboard feeling


i remember when i was really little i used to hide in the hallway and try and watch whatever my dad was watching on TV at night like the simpsons and tremors and stuff like that

i don't think i even knew asexuality was a word until i was... hmmm 17? maybe 16


haha, i assure you, my love of the color orange (and therefore "red" hair) comes from liking orange flavored popsicles

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-14 04:58:58 +0000 UTC]

He didn't seem to notice.  Then again, we are talking about a creature that regularly chews on its own butt.

The sound of nails on a chalkboard makes the nerves in my teeth vibrate.


Haha, yes, late night TV was a matter in need of urgent understanding.  I remember my grandparents staying up really late watching talk shows and feeling like I was an adult because I could watch something that they liked.  Never have seen tremors, not after an incident where my parents found out I had seen part of it at a friend's house got it banned.  They also banned the Simpsons for some reason so I always had to watch at someone else's house.

Right, but in retrospect you can recognize certain things as asexual or within that definition.  I certainly didn't use it to describe myself back then.


You cannot eat hair.  Do not attempt to do this as it will not taste like it looks and you'll end up sweeping your tongue for several minutes.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-14 05:17:53 +0000 UTC]

i don't remember tremors being spectacularly... anything... enough to get banned? it was just giant sand worms killing people and getting killed with dynamite. standard movie stuff.

yeah, i've had people ask if i liked anyone and didn't really know what to say in response... i'd just say, "i dunno...? not really, i don't really think like that." i learned the word when i tried to google if that was normal for a high school student (the word school is looking so weird to me right now... i'd swear it's spelled wrong but there's no better spelling). anyways, having thought more about it the past couple of years, i don't think i'm completely that way, just somewhere on that end of scale/continuum/whatever.  Not completely uninterested in such things, it's just they're not things i think about often in regards to myself and not things i worry about much


i have long hair and multiple pets, believe me, i know not to eat hair

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-14 18:55:24 +0000 UTC]

It was blood and violence.  They used to be vehemently against those, swearing, and any suggestive material.  Even "Walker: Texas Ranger," basically a Hallmark action series, was "too much for him/me."  Now I play Bioshock and attack people with crows.  Times have changed.


I understand that.  I never knew what to say either, it was just really awkward to talk about.  When I got a crush on someone, it was just one person and it was never the all-consuming obsession I had heard that it was.  I asked every single person that I had a crush on if they would go out with me (not that I planned any further than that), and all but one said no.  I learned very quickly not to ask people because it only made more of them drift away from me.  I also agree with you on that definition; I am not without some interest, but it is not something that I think about regularly.  My parents bother me about having a family some day and asking when I'll "get out there to start dating," but I don't want to just go out there.  Everyone I've asked in the past had a special connection to me in some way and I don't want to ask someone that I know nothing about.  It is supposed to be a very personal decision and making it on first impressions implies that you are looking more at the body than the person.  I think I'd be happy dating because the idea of a relationship is not something I am averse to, but I don't want it to be something that I don't want.  Wow, that sentence was redundant.  XD

(school has as weird a spelling as twelfth)


That is a very good thing to have learned in your time with hair and stuff.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-15 07:47:40 +0000 UTC]

awww but i loved walker: texas ranger as a kid haha - it even had part of my name in the title and ahhh the theme song!

i feel like my younger brother got away with a lot more than i did.... like i was the test child or something and they had to figure out the proper rations of freedom and TV violence


awww haha, you were quite brave

i've never asked anyone out though i've been asked a couple of times.  one guy made things really awkward when i turned him down... another got mad at me for not being interested in him even though he never said anything? and the last, i went on a couple date-ish things that weren't actually acknowledged as dates but looking back on them it feels like they probably were and i was in denial? he was okay, super nice and we had a lot of similar interests (he worked at a gamestop and had gone to art school haha) but had a tendency (and i noticed he did this with his future gf) to like... i dunno how to phrase it... like he was too high self monitoring and would kinda say what he thought you wanted to hear when really you just wanted his opinion and it made me a bit nervous.

anyways, thankfully my parents don't bug me much about it.  i think my mom is kinda resigned to the idea that i just don't don't work like that and always phrases things like "if you have a family or kids, etc" so i don't feel too pressured by them

it's really hard when friends start feeling that way about each other.  one of my friends in highschool really liked my best friend and oh my so much drama for a couple weeks there and so anti-climactic in the end when everyone just ended up going off to different schools the next year

yeah i dunno, a relationship sounds nice in some ways and stressful in others.  i'd like to skip the getting to know someone part and just be like... comfortable in someone's presence.  able to fall asleep on their shoulder or something.  that sometimes sounds nice.


an important lesson indeed

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-15 18:53:14 +0000 UTC]

I did too once I was "old enough to understand" the difference between real and fake violence.  XD  How could anyone confuse that?  Do you have anyone in your family with the name Cordell?  That would be a sure sign that you have other fans in your relations.

I give you a thousand yeps to that statement.  My brother stays up as late as he wants, plays games late into the night, has been playing M games forever, and they don't bat an eye when an immense amount of swearing blares from his TV.  It's not that I want those things, it's that the distinction was made.


Is it brave that it took me several months to even attempt it on any occasion?  XD

Did he say something or did he just try to keep asking in awkward situations?  I know the feeling about being mad for that, but I can attest that it is completely unjustified, no matter how much he felt that it was at the time; you feel hurt that things didn't turn out as you would have liked.  On the third example, it sounds like he just didn't want to mess anything up and keep everything the way it was.  That wouldn't work in the long term.  It sounds like you've had just as interesting of escapades into dating as I have. (that sentence sounds weird)

My mom has used those phrases too and they have a lot more implied in them than they sound like they do.  They also want me to wait, so mixed messages are not helping.

We were concerned about that happening in our college group and breaking up the great thing we had going for us.  Luckily, we all stuck together and two of them just got married, so I think we've all managed.


Forming a relationship is stressful because you don't know if you'll have the time or the patience or whether or not you might dislike them further down the road.  There are so many questions and no definite answers.  I think it needs to be someone you are just cool being around, yeah, and someone you feel comfortable sharing everything with.  Shoulder sleep also sounds nice.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-16 06:47:42 +0000 UTC]

iiii do not, no.  as far as i am aware of anyways

yes, the swearing blares from youtube videos, oh my god it drives me nuts because i could not have gotten away with that.  not that i particularly wanted to but it's the principle of the matter.


haha, yes, still brave

well it was pretty much all via text message.  he asked me if i was going out with anyone and i said no, and i wasn't really looking to, and then he asked me if i had dated much and i said not at all really, and then he was like whaaaat and said we should go on a practice date so i knew what it was like and i kinda gave a noncommittal answer and got an unexpected amount of enthusiasm in response to said noncommittal answer and that freaked me out because i didn't actually like him in that way and i told him i'd rather just hang out and he said that's what a date was and i was like, well, i don't really think of those two things as being the same and he kept pushing for the date thing and it just made me really uncomfortable and we stopped talking 

the other guy who got mad at me... he like, never hinted at being interested in me? but he used to send me lots of links to wikipedia articles about completely random stuff that i couldn't really respond to because they were super scientific (like astrophysics kinds of things) and i didn't know much about the topics and then he stopped talking to me (even though i was driving him to our classes because he didn't have a car and this made car rides reaaallly awkward) and i finally kinda exploded on him because he had given no explanation for his lack of communication and he claimed i didn't make an effort to be interested in the things he was interested in.  but we had a big fight and it's the only fight i've ever had with someone that i don't regret at all.  anyways, a mutual friend later told me that he liked me and i think that's why he expected me to spend vast amounts of time reading complex wikis in order to communicate with him about things i wasn't interested in even though we had mutual interests we could talk about? maybe i'm weird in expecting people to talk about common interests.  like i'm happy to listen to things i don't know much about when a friend is really excited about it (with the exception of sports perhaps) and i'll respond and ask questions (i am better at this in person then via chat too) but i don't really wanna read the wiki on my own time =\

the third guy though... yeah i really dunno what he was about i guess. he's a cool guy though and i still like him.  it was just ambiguous to me? but i tend to need such things spelled out to me haha - one thing is I felt like he spent a lot of money on me and it made me really nervous @_@ i don't want to be indebted to him so i kept feeling like i needed to pay him back in kind but i didn't have the cash =\ but oh god, did i ever tell you he got Skyward Sword to me a couple days before it actually came out haha, for my birthday.  that was really cool

yeah, the "we want grand-kids and normalcy" feeling you get from it. but also some understanding.  it used to be "when" and not "if"

that's nice.  a happy result.


comfort is key i suppose

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-16 16:05:41 +0000 UTC]

Exactly.  I have to listen to a lot of stupid people with limited vocabularies rant in obscene language with a lot of "ism" (race, sex, etc) undertones mixed in.

This is completely unrelated, but I am thinking of a peanut-butter and jelly sandwich right now and I can't get it out of my mind.  I.  Must.  Make one.  For science.


I am familiar with this variety.  They are known as "Neveraskanyoneinperson Assumetoomuchis."  I've had a lot of friends try that.  You see, it's difficult to gauge someone's actual response via text and you tend to read into it whatever you want to hear.  If he had asked you in person, it would have been a much clearer affair.  I know, I've asked someone this way before; it was through facebook messaging and I only asked once though.  The important thing is that she said no only once and I didn't ask again.  She also refused to speak with me after that despite the fact that we had to see each other every day in student council.  I asked "Hey, do you want to go to the dance with me?" and she said "I'm sorry, I don't even know if I'm going."  Which is basically a no.  Then I saw her at the dance with one of my friends who it turned out had asked an hour after I did.  In summary, online messaging can be misinterpreted and is also very easy to lie through, making it an abysmal medium of choice for asking someone out.
I am guessing that he had never been in a relationship before and thought that was how it worked.  I'm also guessing this was several years back.  I think that fight sounds completely understandable.  I mean, why talk to someone about something they are genuinely not interested in unless it is vital to their life?  (like the news)  It just sounds like he was trying to make you more like him.  When someone is REALLY excited it is hard not to be excited about it with them, haha.  I am also much better at that sort of them when actually talking to someone because it allows a much better flow of complex ideas.

I think you did tell me about that, but not the history behind it.  I'd say he definitely sounds like he's interested, but he also doesn't understand how a relationship works.  Giving someone gifts gets someone's attention.  It does not make a relationship because you cannot substitute goods for human interaction.  I remember thinking that I could get a girl to listen to me for a bit (plus the point where I would pitch the date idea) if I gave her some candy.  Worst idea ever.  I am glad that I didn't follow through with it because I would have been supremely embarrassed by such an infantile attempt at getting someone's attention.  I eventually asked her out in person and then a month later again by phone, but both times she said she "just wasn't looking for a relationship at the moment."  She started dating a complete douchebag (pardon the French) within a week of the second time I asked.

The one girl I asked that said yes, the only one to ever say yes, was very special to me.  She still was, even after we broke up and didn't speak for three years.  We were in middle school and I spent weeks waiting for the right opportunity.  We were flirting in the way kids do, laughing, talking about things we liked, kicking each other's feet and running around at recess.  We were always smiling.  One day I asked if I could talk to her after school and she stood out there with me until after all the other kids had left.  I didn't want to ask her in front of other people because I was embarrassed.  I remember saying "You know what I'm going to say, don't you?"  She said yes.  And I said "But you're going to make me say it anyway, aren't you?"  And she said yes.  One of my friends saw us and started circling us on his bike, saying our names in sing-song (Nick and Kaylee).  I asked her and she said yes.  My friend and then my other friends didn't ever stop ribbing me about that.  We went on three dates, all of which were accompanied by one or other of our parents; a musical show at the high school we would be attending next year, a baseball game for the local team, and Cars in theaters.  I always thought that we talked about nonsense and nothing that anyone but us would care about, but my parents made me feel embarrassed by everything she said because she was very open talking about everything.  They said it wasn't right and I, being a good Methodist, listened.  Soon I was embarrassed to even be around her and I pointedly avoided her over the summer whenever my parents didn't outright keep us apart.  Her parents treated me like a hooligan trying to take away their daughter and they never took their eyes off of me.  They also did their best to make me feel bad about being with her.  She kissed me once on the cheek and that meant the world to me, but I couldn't tell anyone about it because I was worried that word might get back to her parents.  Her parents were mortified one day when she started talking about tanning for the summer and how she would like to go swimming, during which she lifted her shirt and made a joke about being a professional swimmer.  I was in the car and I laughed with her, then cut off very quickly as her mother stared daggers at me.  I didn't see it as anything obscene, it was just us having fun.  After nearly a month of not talking to her late in the summer, I made up my mind that splitting up would be for the best.  Before I could say this, however, a friend of hers came up to me with a note saying exactly that.  She couldn't talk to me in person any more without her parents getting ticked.  I was mad, not at her, but at the fact that we couldn't even hang out anymore.  Her friend took back the message "he is mad."  And so for three years she avoided me, thinking I was mad at her, and always looking ashamed of it.  I tried to talk to her but I couldn't because I never got the chance.  Then one day we started talking because we had to stand next to each other in line and then we realized how stupid the whole thing was.  We laughed and became friends again.  Then we graduated a week later and I haven't seen her in three years.
That is my dating story.  The only one I have.


You could also have a relationship focused on being professional spies, if that was your thing.  I suppose that's still normalcy according to Spy Kids.  What you really want is to be able to walk up to someone and say "Hey, I'm having trouble right now, mind if we hang out on the couch?" or "I know you didn't win the contest, but we still have a lot of old movies to watch and I just bought pop-corn."  Understanding, coping, and caring are key.  People would stay together longer if they bothered trying.  Sometimes divorce is understandable, but other times it is unacceptable.  I think that my parents got divorced for understandable reasons; smoking, drinking, jobs in different places, who was going to do what with the family, what school one or the other approved of (it is a long list - they are both happy now because of this decision).  Other times, people break up after just one big fight.  Honestly, I liken it to getting your first negative critique on something you are very happy with.  It hurts, but you learn from it and you get better in such a way that the same mistake never happens twice.  You care about the other person enough that you are willing to accept the pain that comes with being close to them.


There are 4 types of male shoulders: skeletal, billowy, stone, and balanced.  I am not a tester of such standards, however, so this must remain entirely hypothetical as deduced by observation.

Female shoulders are an utter mystery because they are always covered by things.  They could be entirely fictional, as far as I can tell. 

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-17 07:24:32 +0000 UTC]

did the sandwich teach you something? did you commune with the sandwich god?


well it's good you weren't one of those creepy persistent rom-com guys.  sorry that it had to get awkward after that =\ 

you're right though, chat medium makes it hard to communicate.  i hate that over texts most of all because you get to overanalyzing it because you don't have to reply immediately and just ughhh so weird.  that being said, i am a coward about confronting people about anything in person so i definitely see the appeal haha

and the guy i drove everywhere who stopped talking to me was actually only 2 years ago.  he was kinda odd though.  not in a way i really minded until things took a turn for the worse though.  my other friend who knew him was weirded out by how he communicated with people.  also one time he told me i smelled like a dog and didn't seem to see how i would find that insulting?? (that one was before we stopped talking but still made for a really awkward car ride) he had this really odd habit of sniffing things actually. he must have had a sensitive sense of smell or something because he did it on more than one occasion.  

yeah, i mean, we all have those things that no one else we know really likes but OH MY GOD WE HAVE TO TALK TO SOMEONE ABOUT IT and i understand that feeling and happy to be yammered at as i know i do my own fair share of yammering haha xD but i don't really want to do my own research on the subject. 

You know, I'd never thought about it like that but I think you're right.  He just didn't get how those things worked and was trying to be nice but it came off as something else along with "nice."  He got a girlfriend a bit after I went to Davis and I follow him on tumblr and he started reblogging all these things about love and happiness and oh my god he was just so deep so fast and it struck me as really strange.  I have another friend who does that in her relationships, too and i keep wondering what would happen if they started dating because neither of their relationships with other people ever last long and i think it's probably because they accidentally scare them off?

I forget if I've mentioned this but in my Communication class a couple quarters ago we talked about how girls really don't like saying "no" flat out so they say other things when they just aren't interested in order to soften the blow but guys don't take it like that and yeah now i remember saying this before but bleh.  that's how people think/talk i guess. it's really weird.


that's kind of a bittersweet story hmm.  sad it turned out like that but at least you guys made up?  have you ever thought about contacting her?


that comparison to critique is interesting.  fights and critique can both leave those pits in your stomach and ugh.  but you need to move past both of them and learn from them


i am not sure about that, i find girl shoulders to be much more prevalent than guy ones

unless you are at those weird schools that say girls can't show their shoulders.  which is just weird. (and sexist)


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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-17 16:52:50 +0000 UTC]

I obtained it only this morning, by chance in fact, as my workplace provided them for us.  I took it as a sign and attempted to contact Sandwichiphestuseidones.  I obtained the hidden knowledge that some of the bread had gone bad.  I did not eat the green bread that ran rank with the foul influence of Roomtemperaturlios.


I am told that persistence is the only way to really win someone over (from my mother), but I have yet to know of a time when that works outside of Hollywood or a novel.  Whenever I tell my folks that I asked someone out (we are fairly open about our lives in the family) and they turned me down, I am calm, but they get angry.  The most common thing for them to say is "When will those girls learn?  Are all of them stupid?"  I haven't brought up either of the two I asked in this last year because of this.  I ask about one or two people each year and the result is always the same.  :/  But afterward I feel fine and so I think that, while it hurt, it meant that I didn't really care for them the way I thought I did.
A screen can offer a convenient shield to immediate reactions and distance oneself from the conversation emotionally.  You should confront someone on something and practice.  :I
He sounds like he was better with information than people.  I know a few people like that deep in the engineering college.  Social awkwardness is their byword.
Talking about a shared interest with someone who has as much enthusiasm for it as you do is liberating and therapeutic.  You get to bounce ideas back and forth and build a stronger bond doing so.  That being said, if an idea doesn't bounce it just comes back to you flat and over time this builds up a barrier between you and that person.

I believe that is called the "first 3 months syndrome" where both parties are so enamored with and focused on one another that they forget everything else and follow what their brain is telling them.  I think it is a natural response for the body.  I like to call it the "date and mate" response.  XD  Whenever one of my friends starts dating I can never get them to hang out because they are always with the other person, usually in a bed.
We did talk about that.  Our comm class did too.  A "No" that isn't NO is possibly the worst thing people can say and the most surefire way to forge enmity between a girl and a guy.  (I don't mean to suggest that you and your friend are going to be WEFs worst enemies forever; it differs from person to person)  Being straight about it leaves no room for interpretation or possibly insult and allows both parties to move on.  Our brains are weird.
Okay, so there is a radio show that is on every morning when I am at work and I absolutely loathed the hosts.  They are the most idiotic, stereotype-spouting ignoramuses that I have ever had the displeasure of listening to.  They argue with callers so much about "the way the male and female brain are wired" and "natural differences between the sexes, such as a tendency to clean or be skilled at math."  What the hell?  Did they go to high school?  XD


I have, but I don't know what I would say.  "Hey, do you want to be friends again and catch up?  We may or may not have anything in common anymore and this might be really awkward."  More importantly, I don't know how to find her.  lD

*nodding*  Only a very serious fight should threaten a strong relationship built on mutual care and understanding, or what poets would call love.  Love is not something I find so easily defined.

Gasp!  What kind of town do you live in where females may have bared shoulders?  Showing skin that close to the throat is close to the chest!  If a young man were to place his hands upon your shoulders... *shiver*  Dear lord, I pray for your safe travels in your place of debauchery and sin.
But really, it isn't because of religious taboo.  It's just that most women around here don't wear tank tops unless they are athletes.  I'm not sure why.  It is also a state law that men cannot wear dresses and women cannot wear pants, but that law has been around for over 100 years and it hasn't even been enforced at gay pride events.  It's in the law books right next to the provision about hunting whales.  Written while this was still a prairie.  Before they knew about the aquifer.  Some laws are so stupid that we keep them for laughs, I think.

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RoochArffer In reply to SporeRedland [2013-08-18 06:51:39 +0000 UTC]

that was a sign indeed


some people are very like that.  i think my mom would be like that and i know one of my friends is.  They just attack the person haha.  I always think I am bad at comforting people because I wonder about how the other people involved were motivated/feeling and so i'm hesitant to say anything truly bad about them till there's something i absolutely cannot think of an excuse for.


yes, good advice, i will go start arguments right away

and you hit the nail on the head, he was indeed an engineering major haha


i'm not sure i'm capable of spending that much time around someone (especially if i've only met them recently).  I need my introvert-recharge-time.  I think this is part of the reason i am so slow at responding to messages.  Constantly replying to things from everyone wears me out a bit mentally even if i enjoy the conversation because it interrupts the alone time.  That being said the ability to contact anyone at any time is super handy as well


yeah, the problem is girls are often taught to be soft/kind and not just straight-forward/blunt so it's not in a lot of our mentalities to just say no, especially to a friend (a random stranger is a bit different but also could be dangerous which is why i know people who will give out fake numbers when someone approaches them)

well, to their credit, there are arguably some brain differences but they are very hard to prove and amount to pretty much nothing regardless. so yeah. there's a ridiculous amount of arguing to be done about such things and it probably shouldn't be done if you are not a specialist in brain science


isn't that what facebook is for?


that is like the opposite of here. well not really. mostly men only wear tank tops if they are doing something athletic and girls will wear tank tops if they are doing something athletic or if it is warm/hot out. 

I'm sure whale hunting i a huge issue over there.

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SporeRedland In reply to RoochArffer [2013-08-18 17:25:59 +0000 UTC]

I guess they think it would make us feel better?  Haha.  I just find it awkward because I don't hate the person that they hate without ever meeting them.  I do hate some people, but it was not because of one incident.  They have given me cause over a large expanse of time.

I think you have the right idea of it.  We also don't know exactly how that person feels about the person that turned them down, so one could inadvertently insult their own friend's judgment instead of consoling them.

These arguments will only be the first steps in transforming yourself into a walking powder-keg, grasshopper.
I am going to ask a question out of the blue here that isn't related to relationships but is related to confrontation.  Are you more prone to arguing with people about once every thirty days?  I know several of the girls that lived on the floor above us in the dorms would normally be placid, then suddenly explode at everything.  They gave their reasoning, but I can't help but wonder how much of that is an excuse.  Is the emotional turbulence as significant as they claim?

It is an odd, clingy phenomenon from both parties.  One guy on our floor who was always sitting by himself suddenly decided that he would never be in his room and would watch movies or do pretty much anything if it meant spending time around his new girlfriend.  They have reduced the time since then and PDA is no longer a constant looming threat.  What I'm saying is that you may not think you are capable of feeling that way until your brain decides to kick you in the hormones.  I remain wary.
It is very nice.  I get to think about everything I am about to say and edit it for understanding while making sure that I looked back at everything I should.  It also gives you the time to take as much, well, time writing as you feel you need.  Plus, if you don't have time or the ideas on hand, you can wait to say something until later.  Replying constantly can be fun and is stimulating if you are not trying to do something else.

Did I tell you that I spend a lot of my free time in my house alone in a room with the blinds drawn and the door shut?  It is well-lit and I do not mind company or sunlight, but I like being able to have that time to myself.  I pace a lot when I think about things, whether it be brainstorming or losing myself in fiction for a bit.  Interrupting this is like interrupting someone reading a good book, and my mother is insistent on doing so because she feels that the "habit" is "abnormal."  Unfortunately for her, I happen to like it and use it for everything from written homework to scene creation.  (sometimes I throw in music, but usually I prefer my own thoughts)  Strangely enough though, everything gets a lot stronger and it actually energizes me if there is another person present to join me.  I only know two people here today willing and capable of doing that; I used to know at least a dozen as a kid and this made me quite popular amongst the "nerdy" group (people who watched anime, played videogames, read any books at all, had an imaginative childhood).
How do you brainstorm things?


I understand that.  There is a social and a cultural stigma associated with being too direct.  It comes off as improper or sometimes even uneducated.
At the same time, I can guarantee you that a friend would understand a direct "no."  Strangers really do deserve fake numbers or some other sort of clearance if not in the proper setting.  It's always better to date/interact with people you know you can trust (their information as well).
The brain differences don't govern things like schoolwork or household duties on a split sex line, though.  That's cultural.  I dislike them because they often lump the two together.  Their radio personalities are also grating to listen to, which may influence the amount of leeway I give them.


I tried.  I got one Google result as well.  It is as if she fell off the face of the planet.  lD  This is it - > www.neihardtcenter.org/Newslet… It's old, but it's the best I can find.  :/  She is the one on the left in the picture on page 4 and again on the right in the picture on the bottom of page 5.


Generally speaking guys who wear tank tops here are either semi-pro athletes or low class.  Or they need it for their job.  T-shirts are the clothing of choice for hot weather.  How do your people avoid sunburns?  Teach us your ways.  (being inside doesn't count)

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