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RvBOMally — Savior of the Orient

Published: 2017-03-31 01:41:48 +0000 UTC; Views: 7878; Favourites: 73; Downloads: 100
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Another product of daydreaming in Japanese history class: one where the Shimabara Rebellion succeeds. In this timeline, rather than helping crush the Shimabara Rebellion, the Dutch help the rebels. This is due to the rebels having a much more successful early stage, which led to the Dutch refusing aid to the Tokugawa, which led to the Tokugawa threatening the Dutch, which led to them assisting the rebels in a bid to create a more foreigner-friendly Japan[1]. This succeeded, but only partially: the Dutch-backed Amakusa Shogunate was created, and it helped bolster Dutch power in the Pacific and throughout the world. 

This had some knock-on effects around the world. The Chinese expelled Christian missionaries from their country, as Christianity was seen as a subversive force. This led to a souring of relations between China and the West, eventually culminating in a series of "humiliation wars" that led to much of southern China under colonial European domination. The union between Spain and Portugal survived, the relationship between the two gradually growing closer to the point that everyone thinks of Iberia as one political entity. The Dutch and the Iberians dominate the waves up until the modern day, although they've had hiccups particularly with the rise of the British as a dominant naval power and the loss of much of the New World to independence movements. 

The world remains divided broadly between the Catholic and Protestant worlds, particularly after the 18th century Habsburg Wars led to the creation of a unified, Habsburg-led, German-speaking Holy Roman Empire that became the dominant continental European power. A few Protestant German states remain independent, and extremely anti-German. The old Dutch and Iberian colonies have become entangled in alliances with their mother countries. Christianity is more fractured and dogmatic than OTL; there is no one "Christian" identity, but Protestantism has fallen under one umbrella to oppose Catholicism. Both sides are far more socially conservative, although with some slight differences (Protestants are more friendly to controversial ideas like evolution, while the Catholics have said that contraceptives are okay). Christian fundamentalist terrorism is common, targeting the opposing sect. Ironically, non-Christian religions aren't seen as a threat, mostly because they are in "other parts of the world." Immigration policy is very strict, with explicit religious and cultural tests, throughout most of the world, and even then only the most skilled workers are admitted. Exceptions exist in the settler colonies of the New World, who allow for mass immigration, but even they only take in co-religionists. The idea of multiculturalism would be laughed at. Racial discrimination isn't as vilified as OTL, but "civilize and convert" is the general attitude. 

Politically, monarchs remain powerful, although the Protestant ones do have to content with democratically-elected legislatures, who have the exclusive power of the purse. The British, Dutch and their former colonies have written constitutions outlining the rights of the citizen[2], nobody else does. Public worship is only legal for recognized faiths, although "heretics" who worship in private are ignored unless they are threats to the state. In the New World, states tend to be more religiously dogmatic; while burning at the stake is too 15th century, heretics are often arrested for "disturbing the peace" and kept in labor camps. Virginia in particular still enforces laws against witchcraft. 

India is fragmented, and more Catholic and Protestant than OTL; the Europeans have been more zealous in their conversion efforts than OTL. This has led to the creation of many new and weird sects, mixing Christianity with Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism. These radical sects often attack one another openly, despite efforts by the European colonial authorities to clamp down on. China has adopted Western technology, but is staunchly opposed to European cultural influence. China is rapidly industrializing, and the Europeans fear that they might be eclipsed in the future. 

The world has never had a conflict on the scale of the Great War, although the Habsburg Wars resemble the Napoleonic Wars in scale. Nuclear weapons have been invented, but have never been used in anger. There has been no arms race at the same scale as OTL, and nuclear weapons are smaller and seen as tactical weapons; no city-busting strategic weapons on the scale of OTL hydrogen bombs exist. Color television is the main means of communication, and most networks are heavily censored or owned by the state. Computer technology is way behind, close to the OTL 1940s, and telecommunication and electrical networks are far more fragmented. Economically, most people are poorer than OTL, and there isn't much of a car culture; most transit is via train, bus, or bike. Roads are much smaller, and there are almost no highways to speak of outside of New Spain. The Catholics are trying to build a continental rail network in Europe, but debates continue on which gauge to use. 

[1] Even if they were Catholic.
[2] This includes freedom of worship, except for "threatening religions" such as Catholicism. 

EDIT: Added Protestant German states. 

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Comments: 18

1saby [2017-04-04 06:58:35 +0000 UTC]

I prefered it without the Protestant states.

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QuantumBranching In reply to 1saby [2017-04-06 06:03:14 +0000 UTC]

Brethren, we have a Papist in our midst, start gathering wood for the fire. (Unless it's a Germany-wanker: we just make those wear the big pointy hat and parade them for for the amusement of the masses).

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1saby In reply to QuantumBranching [2017-04-06 06:28:11 +0000 UTC]

I'm kind of a German-wanker. I just don't like the new northern border of the HRE, is all.

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LogoP [2017-04-04 01:54:54 +0000 UTC]

How come and Russia didn't swallow all those Central Asian statelets?

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QuantumBranching [2017-04-03 10:43:18 +0000 UTC]

Interesting: I'd put the Russians as an ally of convenience with the Protestants, since OTL they always disliked the Catholics more and they have a solid wall of Catholics and their puppets shoving at them in the west.

(Speaking of which, for a 1637 POD in east Asia, this is a bit of a Catholic wank. In particular, it's unlikely the Catholics will do much better than OTL at this point in the 30 years war, and major reasons Germany was united OTL were 1. A majority Protestant Germany was united by a German protestant state and 2. Nationalism had become more important than religious affiliation to many. This is clearly a world that takes religion more seriously than OTL. That Catholic-dominated mega-HRE? I can accept butterflies, but I bet they're practicing Catholics. )

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RvBOMally In reply to QuantumBranching [2017-04-03 23:56:45 +0000 UTC]

Hm, good point. I would say that the Russians definitely prefer the Protestants and would align with them if things get worse. 

Good point on the HRE. I imagine there is some allowance for religious tolerance in the HRE, but the Habsburg Wars were a violent and radicalizing affair. Perhaps I should have trimmed off the more Protestant parts of the Empire?

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QuantumBranching In reply to RvBOMally [2017-04-04 03:41:15 +0000 UTC]

Lookin' good!

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Whiteshore1 [2017-04-01 01:44:32 +0000 UTC]

Who do China and Russia prefer?

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RvBOMally In reply to Whiteshore1 [2017-04-03 23:55:03 +0000 UTC]

Please respond to the note I've sent you.

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lordelpresidente [2017-03-31 11:08:02 +0000 UTC]

Seems that the Hundred's years war are getting out of hand

Point of 15 gave some interest in me... The Kingdom of Kongo as puppet state. But of Britain, not of Portugal
This prove that The domination of both side are "basically reversed".

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FederalRepublic In reply to lordelpresidente [2017-03-31 12:01:32 +0000 UTC]

Also just FYI: The Kingdom of Kongo which was a Portuguese puppet state was located at the mouth of the Congo river, mostly in the north of modern Angola. This Kongo seems to be an artificial creation along the lines of the Congo Free State, except a bit less corporate.

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lordelpresidente In reply to FederalRepublic [2017-03-31 12:02:52 +0000 UTC]

Indeed... that's why this scenario "reversed" the real world one

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123456789JD In reply to lordelpresidente [2017-03-31 11:31:31 +0000 UTC]

Well for the longest time, the Congo was considered the veritable "Heart of Darkness" by the powers at the time. He who conquered the Congo could conquer any place was the standard European powers had at the time. So it isn't really a surprise that the English would take the Congo in this timeline, they had plans for it in real life.  

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lordelpresidente In reply to 123456789JD [2017-03-31 11:42:40 +0000 UTC]

True, true...

And probably since Kongolese "Tribal Kingdom" are probably the most open Sub-saharan nation. Well, tho the Ashante are open aswell... but, yeah... Colonial leaders and Native cultural practitioners doesn't mix well

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123456789JD In reply to lordelpresidente [2017-03-31 11:55:18 +0000 UTC]

Agreed, look at the Chinese in Africa nowadays!

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OttoVonSuds [2017-03-31 04:37:46 +0000 UTC]

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PersephoneEosopoulou [2017-03-31 03:31:09 +0000 UTC]

Thanks Holland.

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Beastboss [2017-03-31 02:17:44 +0000 UTC]

That's a lot of Dutch

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