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saevuswinds In reply to LiliWrites [2014-08-18 01:25:32 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for the feedback! I'll try to clear up the confusion in the piece.
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CobraToon [2014-12-27 07:41:52 +0000 UTC]
Critique courtesy of :GrammarNaziCritiques:
“twisting away the plaque ridden arteries” … what does this mean? Are they getting rid of the arteries, or moving them aside, or cleaning them? I don't know – or I can't see - what twisting means here
“his wife and four children” … in a piece about the number five, using other numbers feels a little distracting
“the amount of fingernails you bit off” … bit clean off? As in, you were in extreme pain for a while and your fingers were really gross and the nails had to slowly grow back? Or does this just mean nervously chewing on the nails?
“as your mother cries into his heart shaped pillow” … is this happy crying or sad crying? Is she crying at home or at the hospital? Or does pillow refer to his chest? Too many questions from this line
“your father’s American-flag-covered-casket” … isn't the casket being covered with a flag something they only do for military funerals? And if you're revealing that he was part of the military, what does that have to do with the number five and this piece?
“one left ruined in devastation” … a little over dramatic here for the ending. Of course it's sad if he died, but you don't want to smother the reader with that sad
“Is the number five TOO repetitive?” … this question is the crux of the issue. You are doing a flash fiction piece about the number five, which means the number five definitely cannot be “too repetitive” in this piece about the number five. You want the number five to be repetitive, the number five should feel like a drumbeat resounding through the reader's heart as they read. Sometimes using the number five will seem fanciful or even fictional, but that can be forgiven because using the number five is the most important thing in this piece about the number five. And because this is a piece about the number five, I don't think you want other numbers getting involved. Just keep using the number five, over and over and over, five five five. The piece is pretty short so I'll show you what I mean and how I would edit it:
Five is the number of times you worry he’s stopped breathing, as five surgeons carve around his heart, scrubbing away at five plaque-ridden arteries, and pulling five veins from his leg. Five is the number of heart wrenching hours you and your family waited in the hospital room's five chairs, worried that there would now be only five members of the family, that five days out of the week he would not come home for dinner at five, that he would never again give five kisses to his wife and children. Five was the number of fingernails you bit while watching five times five people enter and exit the waiting room's five doors, and five was the amount of minutes your mother spent on the phone explaining to five uncles and aunts that something was wrong. Five is holding a father’s five cold fingers as your mother cries five heart shaped tears, and five is the difference between rejoicing and smiling weakly because he’s okay, or carrying a casket down five church steps and watching your mother try to find five words to describe loss. Five is a family welcoming him home from the hospital, or five is a family left devastated.
“What do you like least about the piece?” … It looks like you previously had five sentences but then you split the fourth into two parts. Why? You cannot have too much five in this piece about the number five … Also, minor gripe, I want to know if he survived. All those “difference” and “or” sentences kinda left me hanging, as if you were showing me both possible futures but forgot to say (or even imply) which one came true
“Can you tell that heart surgery was going on?” … nope. I know that arteries are part of the heart, but is pulling a vein from a leg part of heart surgery?
“What do you like most about the piece?” … you have a core idea (which you can strengthen) and just that is enough to make me like this piece
And congrats on the DD! Any more questions for me? Would you like to make that five questions perhaps?
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CobraToon In reply to saevuswinds [2015-05-18 04:28:28 +0000 UTC]
You're very welcome, and I'm glad your dad was okay
I like the idea of highlighting that moment of fear and not knowing, but if your audience is asking themselves that question I was about his survival while they read, they might become distracted from that feeling of uncertainty. I think someone else said it best: “Even to a writer who is being intentionally obscure or wild of tongue we can say, 'Be obscure clearly! Be wild of tongue in a way we can understand! … Be cagey plainly! Be elliptical in a straightforward fashion!'” (Elements of Style, Strunk and White) In other words, be unclear clearly. Be uncertain with certainty. Be afraid fearlessly. The piece doesn't need to say whether he lives or dies, IF the reader knows it is taking place in that moment of not knowing, with the full weight of not knowing upon them
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saevuswinds In reply to CobraToon [2015-05-22 13:20:35 +0000 UTC]
Yes I totally agree! Thank you!
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vicariouspoet [2014-09-22 12:55:13 +0000 UTC]
This is so realistic and vivid I thought it was actually happening. Bravo!
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JasonMasters [2014-08-24 05:33:55 +0000 UTC]
I've heard this kind of stuff referred to as "lyric prose." It's prose, but worded so that it sounds like it could be song lyrics.
My suggestion would be to try to divide it into paragraphs, separating each section at logical points. It makes the whole thing easier to read and also "sets off" the points you make.
No, I don't think that five is mentioned too often, because it's the whole point of the piece. Your choices, stylistically, would logically be to either mention the number twice, once at the opening and once again at the ending, or to do as you've done and open each point, if not each line, with the number.
I'm glad this became a Daily Deviation. I would have missed it otherwise.
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saevuswinds In reply to JasonMasters [2015-05-17 13:51:46 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much! I'm glad you got to see it too--the literature section on deviantart in general is often one with too many missed gems.
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artbyfieldsofsage [2014-08-24 01:59:20 +0000 UTC]
My first thought: It sounds like 5 can be a very lonely, painful number. Good piece. Congrats on the DD!
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5150animator [2014-08-23 19:23:30 +0000 UTC]
...That was beautiful.
I feel so uncreative right now compared to you it's crazy.
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saevuswinds In reply to 5150animator [2015-05-17 13:49:36 +0000 UTC]
Awww, don't say that. This is based on something that really happened, so it's not so much the good idea as having the experience to document it.
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5150animator In reply to saevuswinds [2015-05-18 23:41:46 +0000 UTC]
Still, you really formed it into words beautifully.
But thank you ouo
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BlackBowfin [2014-08-23 19:07:17 +0000 UTC]
Congrats on the DD. It's well deserved.
Is the number five TOO repetitive?
No. It's essential- and I agree w/ TonguesOfMenOrAngels above that switching over to the 4(+1) scenario was really nimble and smart ("thought provoking").
Can you tell that heart surgery was going on?
Yes. This was evident.
What do you like most and least about the piece?
Most: wife and four children changeup. This really impressed me.
Least: one left ruined in devastation - I personally feel that using ruined and devastation is a bit much. Maybe would have gone a little math-y, trying to find the answer to remainder 5 times devastation or ruin- something like that, but I know that (assuming this is based on real-life events) when a work is personally gripping, you sometimes gotta go w/ your gut. It remembers better than the mind sometimes.
Really compelling work. Great job
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saevuswinds In reply to BlackBowfin [2015-05-17 13:50:47 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much for your insight! I really appreciate your comment, and I apologize for the almost unbelievably late reply! Nonetheless, it means a lot.
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TonguesOfMenOrAngels [2014-08-23 15:56:03 +0000 UTC]
Hey, congratulations on the DD
The number 5 is repetitive, but it needs to be. It ties the whole piece together beautifully and is the catalyst for some very thought-provoking observations, such as "that five kisses from him would no longer be given to his wife and four children." Very, very moving writing there.
Yeah, heart surgery (or surgery of some sort) is quite evident. The incredible seriousness of the operation is communicated very well; though not all readers would pick up that it's heart surgery, everyone will understand that it some sort of life threatening medical procedure is under way.
I love this piece. It's excellent. My only thought (and it's just a thought) would be if the last sentence can be adjusted. Currently, it's functional but perhaps breaks the flow in an awkward way. To me, it's a bit jarring (which could be considered good). Perhaps if it was a shorter, sharper sentence it would create a more decisive end to the work. All the same, it's an excellent piece, congratulations!
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ShadowedAcolyte [2014-08-23 15:41:30 +0000 UTC]
I'd call this prose; it lacks the sonic qualities and imagery I'd associate with something more prose-poem-ish.
Your questions:
No, Yes, Most: the 5s, Least: Leapy tense issues
Thanks for sharing.
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neurotype-on-discord [2014-08-23 15:05:48 +0000 UTC]
Somewhere in between, I think, and the fixation on five does an excellent job of relaying the fear.
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tinaaw [2014-08-23 13:52:24 +0000 UTC]
Wonderful piece - kept me riveted.
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Diablo0153 [2014-08-19 09:33:03 +0000 UTC]
The number, as it is the title and the main point of the piece, is not really repetitive as that seems to be the point. You didn't start every sentence with five so it's ok.
Yes, I can tell, though I was a bit confused by the leg part since I'm not that familiar with heart surgery (as most people aren't).
Most I like the ending sentence "Five is the importance between a complete family or one left ruined in devastation.". Least I like the "American-flag-covered-casket" which could have been replaced by simple "casket" and wouldn't feel as pompous (I don't feel like that helped the overall style and urgency of the story).
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Yobi-chan [2014-08-17 16:11:21 +0000 UTC]
I don't think that the number five is too repetitive. The number five is the thing that ties the whole story together and makes an overall red thread throughout the piece. Writing five so many times emphasizes the importance of the number, making it significant you keep it in mind. Without it so many times, I think this kind of story would lack something important.
It is pretty clear that a heart surgery is taking place, and that the family is anxious, scared of the worst case scenario. The one thing that doesn't make sense to me is the first sentence is the "pulling a vain out of his leg". I know very little of heart surgery, so it doesn't really make sense to a reader like me that a vain should be pulled from the leg when it's the heart that's being operated on.
I like the roll of the sentences. The way they're written like if listed. one thing upon another. I'm not sure you understand my explanation, but I like it nonetheless ^^' It brings out the story without you really having to describe the procedure and what's going on.
There are two sentences I don't really understand, though:
"Five is the critical difference between holding a father’s hand as your mother cries into his heart shaped pillow. The difference between rejoicing and smiling weakly because he’s okay or carrying your father’s American-flag-covered-casket and watching your mother try to find the words to describe loss"
What do you mean by "five is the difference between holding a father’s hand as your mother cries into his heart shaped pillow"? Five minutes? Five feet? Five emotions? I don't really understand.
And in the other sentence: "...he’s okay or carrying your father’s American-flag-covered-casket..." is it a brother that's carrying a father's casket? Is it the father himself? It sounds like it's the father himself carrying his own casket. Maybe you could put in a "you're"? I don't know what you wanted the sentece to be, though.
But overall I really liked it. Repeating the number five is probably the thing I like most about this piece because of the reasons I have mentioned (: And I understood the rest of what I haven't asked about. It's a very sad and scary story written in very few sentences. It must have been a hard time. Thank you for sharing it and being an inspiration to people. You did very good on it! : D
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Yobi-chan In reply to saevuswinds [2014-08-17 16:38:04 +0000 UTC]
Oh! Now it makes more sense to me : D Thank you!
And you're welcome. I'll be happy to read the edited work (:
I'm glad I could help!
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WoodscourtBooks [2014-08-15 23:44:45 +0000 UTC]
Strong, emotional, with clear and startling imagery. It's a powerful piece.
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ilyilaice [2014-08-04 14:38:43 +0000 UTC]
In the last sentence, the word importance was jarring. Maybe you mean difference?
Nice piece with strong emotion.
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