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Fist Bump!i think that these two are really close bro's. it does not matter that Carolina is a chick.
almost forgot on tumblr here [link]
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this was made in season 9 before the season where there they added more to the relationship. so feel free to leave that ship sailing.
i just like to pretend season 10 didn't happen, too much of the season was telling not showing, I cant remember where i Posted this before but York spends more time have emotional moments with North sharing feelings and doubts then he does with Carolina the woman he 'loves.' there isn't even a Token, "Carolina doesn't want to hear this stuff when we are alone."line. if you cut on the one scene where he is holding her hand it would almost impossible to tell that there was anything more implied.
so i still like to think of them a really good buddies. I get what they were trying to do. church and Tex 2.0, tragic war love story but uhhh it wasn't done that well, for me at least.
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Aah, I get what you mean. In all honesty, I feel like Carolina's relationship with the Director was even more vague than her relationship with York.
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Carolina's relationship with the Director was even worse for me uhhh dont get me started. you have a cool, bad ass redhead, leader of elite team. and then she gets boiled down to her mommy and daddy issues. AKKKK
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look in the comments as a response to that
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Amazing piece you've got here. Regardless of the rather canon nature of their relationship, I always enjoy the bro-mance when one of the bro's happens to be a girl. That seems to be one of the more comedic ironies.
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yeah well i just to sit down and pretend most of season 10 didn't happen, the better bro-mances always have girls in them
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Aww, but S10 was pretty awesome. We actually got to see some semblance of character growth (albeit ten seasons in the making)
And yes, if a woman is a member of a bro-mance, it pretty much becomes bromance².
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character growth? i really didn't think ten had any, here is my whole brake down of why ashleystlawrence.tumblr.com/po…
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I honestly think we have vastly differing opinions on Season 10, and perhaps Red vs Blue in general. Maybe further on the general basis of writing and story development.
It may be best that I leave this alone for the sake of avoiding a rather....unpleasant difference of opinion? I mean that in a general sense, there's no point to fighting about a subjective thing such as a number of the things you mentioned in the Tumblr post, but there are also a number of things that are openly object or in my honest opinion, flatly wrong or colored by preference for a specific section of the plot over another.
I think you may have judged the season harshly, perhaps ignoring some subtle nuances and the like, but to each their own. I can safely say I only started watching RvB when I was younger because of the "You shot Church" line. My opinions have changed drastically since then and I can understand how perhaps we see things differently.
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i can respect the other people have different opinions of the 10th season. i feel it was a season about 'the journey, not the destination' and for the most part i'm not a big fan of thous. to me the whole thing felt more of a mini season for RVB then it is proper season.
maybe i am being a bit harsh,maybe your not being harsh enough. to me the season said nothing new, everything the show covered was done better in a previous season. the line 'simmions shut him up!" 'hey grif shut the fuck up!'' hooked me (i 1st saw them out of order) but that doesn't mean i dont like the stronger story stuff
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Well, aside from Carolina who was introduced for this arc in general, we finally get to see Church moving on from Tex, somthing his progenitor failed to do. If that doesn't constitute a level of dynamic character development, I'm sorry but it's being ignored.
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but what can you tell me about the director out side of him being the base for church? what new things did you learn about the man? aside from his connection to Carolina? Church moving on at the end of 9 was perfect nothing needed to be added on to that. showing what could have happened if he never let go in my opinion undermines that ending slightly. Church has already moved on and doesn't regret that action. showing what could have happened after that doesn't change anything about why he chose to move on. church moving on was the point of the season to show Carolina she needed to let go to. but this pulls back again to Why should we care about Carolina, she has so Little development other then angry bitch and a daddies girl.
lets backtrack a bit, if lets say it wasn't Carolina, and instead Wash who felt like he needed to hunt down the Director, i may have been more invested simply because i know so much more about Wash, i understand his motivations. Carolina's motivations still confuse me, and the worse part you can argue she get what she wants by the end. a dead director. was it by her hands no. but its a really fuzzy line from the moment she moved on, to him being dead.
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Okay, let me break this down into two parts. The Director is Church, that was the big reveal of season 9, I believe. Now this is important because we finally get to see the end result of the relationship between Leonard Church and Allison, Carolina. Now, this doesn't really mean very much until one looks at it from a thematic angle. Leonard Church (The Director) was fixated on Tex, and wanted to bring her back, to the detriment (and summary abandonment) of his relationship with his daughter. The obvious point to why re-creating Tex is a failure is stated rather openly. The basis of her AI (and we do finally get the answer that she's always been an AI) are the memories the Director has of her, and unfortunately, his biggest focus on her was her death, something which was inescapable.
The important thing is not the relationship between the Director and Tex, but rather the one between Epsilon-Church and Carolina. We see finally at the end of the season that he's looking out for her (though it seems he doesn't realize he's her father, or based on her father.) in the way that the Director never could do to his obsession. We see the relationship form that never could between the real Church and his daughter because of the former's obsession with his dead lover. With them both having let go of the past, we see that Church is growing as a character (beyond the ludicrous, I mean.)
In the converse, while the previous season had "Memory is the Key", we finally get the kicker that "It is the key, but it's also the entirety of the problem." Though that is far from a direct quote.It's through the dynamic between Epsilon-Church and Carolina that we finally get to see both move on from what they both wanted. Aside from various analogues to themes similar in two (Crippling obsession, personal drive at the expense of friends, and single-mindedness which was visible in both the real Church and his daughter, and very likely in Allison as well.)
In all honestly, I thought it was implied that Carolina didn't know that she was related to either the Director or Tex. As for why it couldn't be Wash, given the way the story developed my answer is simply that had it been Wash, we couldn't see change in Church, and then the Father-Daughter dynamic and impact of the ending isn't nearly as expansive at that level.
I do apologize, I can't complete a true debate at this time, I have to work in a few minutes.
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Your welcome your art is amazing because I am a really big red vs blue fan but sadly I can't draw eny red vs blue charecters
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I love these two together.
They`re so epic.
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i did not, its not a comic its a drawing
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If the most recent episode is anything to go by, those two liked each other. :3
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This is so awsome :3
Tbh I dont see why people think that these to are a couple :/
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rule 34, man if can be shipped it will be
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I'm not going to lie. This has such a level of epicism that I can not even begin to express how awesome it is. xD
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That's just awesome! I started giggling the moment I saw this.
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i want to be clear i see them as buddy club, best buddy club ever of all time
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I hate when there is any interaction between a male and female
character and fans makes them romantically involved or love interests.
It happens to me in real life as well -.- . I agree with you, I also see them
with a best friend/ sibling relationship.
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yeah, i hate with such a god damn passion that every boy and girl has to end up with sexual tension, one of the reason i like tex and church so much is they none of it yet they are a couple.
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I agree, the dynamics of Church and Tex's relationship is anything but cliche. Sometimes I wonder what's up with the majority if fandoms. It's nice to know that someone things in a similar way to me.
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most people like that fairytale story, i dont. it boring and been retold a billion times, i like the unconventional and im glad some one else shares my views
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I agree with you, the conventional love stories bore the hell out of me XD. I'm glad as well to find somebody who agrees with me 
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well they can be good look at the princess bride, what i cant stand is the girls always being adult and bitchy, and boys always being immature children, i like love stories where they are equal and tex and chruch are equal in dysfunction
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I agree there are a few series that are good enough to make up for the cliche characters. As well as those character achetypes that you dislike I strongly dislike the many series and mangas that make the female characters weak and whiney and the male characters arrogent and cocky ._. . That is the precise reason that RvB still is one of my favourite shows, all of the characters are unique and the character developement is realistic. Tex and Church are one of the most interesting characters in any series I have ever come across 
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yeah i gave up on girl manga long long time, before my need to read and watch Manga/Anime curbed. while i dont belive every girl need to be a Buffy/Xena/river who can kick ass and take names, if you job is to be the Damsel in distress you better be at lest interesting, look at princess Leia, she is strong smart and capable and still had guys tripling over her left and right, look in comparison to Fushigi Yugi who main lead is the definition of a fing marry sue who had guys falling for her including gays ones and i thought WHY she brings nothing to the table ever. Tex in not your Xena or buffy or River she is one tough chick who still can have her soft moments but at her Core she is a bicth and i like seeing that, she is not a stupid female who only mean to cover some pain or hurt. and when Church and tex bounce off one another i believe they have years of unresolved problems, when i see them together i belive that they are just not happy but no one else can come close.i am very judgmental of a lot of females in media because of how terrible they are often portrayed but not once have i ever left that tex was a poorly written female
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I agree, with you here, Shoujo manga is absolutely painful to read due to the horribly over used character archetype. The unique dynamic of Church's and Tex's relationship is one of the larger aspects that make RvB one of the best internet series known to date. Tex certainly is rather unique in the sense that nothing about her is cliché, when she was initially introduced I was slightly worried that she would become one of those tough-on-the-outside-troubled-on-the-inside characters, luckily she has been proven different (as you stated before). The originality of each character is exactly why this series is so well known through the internet.
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