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Ready Weapons... Aim... FIRE!The Tau Empire: A young, humanoid and technologically-advanced intelligent race who are fighting to expand their interstellar empire and a philosophical concept they call the Greater Good. The Tau claim to be a peaceful race when possible, asking if others will join their cause voluntarily instead of fighting. However, if their peaceful overtures are refused, the Tau may well decide to conquer a planet and add it to their growing interstellar empire for the greater good, destroying anyone who stands against their benign expansions.
The CIS: Perhaps the largest droid army ever assembled, the army of the CIS (which stands for Confederacy of Independent Systems) outnumbered the clone soldiers of the Republic 100 to 1. More the once the droids secured victory by simply crushing their enemies in a sea of metal bodies. The CIS put fear in the hearts of countless citizens of the Republic, as few could stand before it for long before being mowed down by blaster fire. Hearts of steel, skin of iron, oil and electricity in their veins, the CIS march every onward.
Now these two armies will find their tactics and units being put to the test. Can the Tau fight off the waves of droids constantly rolling off the assembly line? Can the CIS adapt to the constantly changing, hit and run style tactics brought by the various Tau castes? Blasters and Pulse Rifles, Fire Warriors and Battle Droids, elite commandos from both sides giving it their all to promote their unique agendas... But in the end, only one can triumph. Who, my dear viewers, do you think will walk away...
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
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The Tau hands down. Better weapons, more advanced technology, superior military command structure and leadership, and better quality of warrior.Β
Trust me I'm not trying to shit on the CIS. It's just a fact that the Tau have an edge over them in almost every category, including naval power. The only thing the CIS might have over them is numbers, but that's never been a problem for the Tau in most cases.Β
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Tau. Their weapons are far more deadly and their troops are far smarter and more mobile. If the Tau tended to just set up static gunlines and have a shootout like the Republic tended to do alot of the times, the CIS's superior numbers would probably let them eventually win. But the lack of the droids quick thinking and adaptability with the vast majority of their forces means they'd be ill suited to counter the Tau's various styles of traps and hit and run maneuvers.
Plus I don't think the CIS would have a surefire way to detect stealth technology that the Tau employ on several units.
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Wow, a battle where the Tau meet a force EVEN MORE pathetic than them! xD
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Tau is the unquestioned winner.
Thousands of droids die to 2 jedi.
Dozens of Harlequins die before they even close the gap to the tau.
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Once Durge is involved the problem for the Tau will increase greatly and once the cis capture a tau it won't be soon until the figure to engineer a new virus the load it into the octopatarra droids and have them bull rush the tau.
also how we'll do you think the Nimbus commands well fair against Tau fire warriors.
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Consider the accuracy, range, and tactics of the Tau, not to mention stealth technology and the help of equally capable races (especially the Vespid, seeing as they are very EMP based)... What do the slow, inaccurate, programmed droids of the CIS have that is superior to the Tau? Those overwhelming numbers mean nothing when faced with superior tactics? This, in turn, brings to mind what is said in the tutorial of Dawn of War, "A smaller, properly specialized squad can be greatly superior vs much larger enemy forces."
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Tau win this, they have more firepower in their armies with their Fire Warrior and Battlesuits.
While Normal Fire Warrior can be considered the same as a Clone trooper of the republic, that alone gives it the edge against regular and some of the elite CIS droids (they can thing outside the box, unlike driods who can only follow their programing)
Battlesuits give them definite edge as CID doesn't have many things that could counter them in both speed and firepower. Check them out and see for yourself wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battlβ¦
While its true that Tau aren't good in close combat, they have Kroot allies which fit those roles perfectly (perfectly cause they aren't good shooters, so you cuold say its a symbiotic relationship), but even if they don't have Kroots to support them, you first have to get close to them,...not a easy task.
As for the armor (tanks and transports) auch as AAT or MMT, they would lose against eh hammerhead of the tau.
I would say that the only real advantage the CIS would have would be its Aircrafts,...and thats only cause I dont know Tau aircrafts.
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Shas'saal Krios dashed across the cratered road, scanning for those drones that had interrupted the diplomatic talks with this colony. His armor had a series of scratches where he had been thrown against a wall during the early events of the invasion.
Sliding into cover behind a fallen piece of a damaged structure, Krios glanced at his helmet's HUD, then did a sweep of the area. Seeing nothing, he gave a series of hand signals back to the rest of his team. Seven dark grey suits detached from the wreckage, and darted over to Krios' side of the road.
"Shas'saal, Shas'El Thane thought he saw a squad of enemy drones the next street over, searching through the wreckage of some kind of transport. Me and three men are going to be the bait for your Kauyon, okay? Good, let's get to this." Shas'Ui Kor'tan said to the entire team, before jumping up and leading his small unit of warriors away.
Seconds passed.
"Sooo, Krios... How did your night with that Fio girl go?" One of the Shas'saal who had been left behind asked, faking unconcerned.
"Shove it, Ran'nel. It's none of your business."
"Whatever Krios. We all know- Incoming!"
Krios looked over in the indicated direction, to see three Firewarriors dash out of an alley, followed by a hail of red projectiles, which seemed to have less accuracy than most Gue'la militia Krios had known.
Shaking himself out of those recollections, Krios aimed his Pulse Rifle at the alleyway, and waited for the drones to emerge.
Oddly, he hadn't seen any of the things yet, and so was surprised when two spindly, bipedal units emerged from the alley, wielding quite small carbines or large pistols. Putting the rifles sight over one of the enemy, Krios pulled the trigger. A burst of blue projectiles lanced out, catching his target in one shoulder, and working up to it's head. The drone erupted in a shower of sparks and torn metal, quickly followed by it's partner. The other nine of the platoon walked forwards, with the next three getting ripped apart by pulse fire before an EMP grenade detonated in their midst.
The team quickly sounded off, and everyone had survived, although one of the Firewarriors the Shas'Ui had taken had been hit several times and was holed up behind some rubble, out of sight from the rest of his unit.
"Shas'Ui Kor'tan, it is good to see you! I thought you and the trainees had been killed by these things." Shas'Ui Wer'ten remarked, as another droid shattered to fragments because of his Rail Rifle.
"Nah, these toothless drones could barely even injure one of us at point blank range. You needn't have worried. How is the Por'La doing?"
"Mad as a Gue'la on a Sept world. And disappointed at the lack of civility around these parts."
"TANK!" The cry galvanized the defenders of the broken down building, and all the Firewarriors went to ground. The AAT fired, causing a small hole to be punched in the thick walls.
"You call that a shot?" Wer'tan snarled, seeing one of the icons in his HUD going dark. "This is a shot!" His rifles sight lined up on the tank, and he fired. Ripping through the air at merely supersonic speeds, his round passed through the tanks barrel, and ripped a jagged scar across it's surface. The second shot hit it as it turned, passing through warped armor and setting off the fuel reserves or ammo or something, causing a large fireball to erupt as the vehicle fell to the ground.
The few dozen droids remaining were mown down in short order, allowing an Orca to collect the twenty six survivors of the mission.
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I may get around to giving this a short, because, wow, epic match. Three squads of Firewarriors holed up in a bombed out city, fighting the CIS after a diplomatic mission is interrupted.
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I'm curious but which of these fights is the second chance for the CIS to win after losing to the Tyranids; this battle or the CIS vs Protoss battle?
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It is my understanding that it is still being decided. They people who are deciding these things want the battle to be fair, as it could very well be the CIS's last chance.
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so who do you think would win this fight scarecrow
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Tau has better Heroes, Calvary, Air Combat, Leader, Additional Factors, and Victory Gains
CIS has better Recon, Infantry, Elites, Misc. Air, Support, Defense, Army X-Factors (losing out only in Espionage)
The two tie in Armor
Planet edge varies depending on planet
Conclusion: The CIS... but only just barely.
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The CIS will probably win due to the ridiculous numerical advantage that they have over the Tau, but they will have lose many of their dumbfuck robots before they win.
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Don't forget that the tau are masters of technology. After the first few engagements, it wouldn't take long for the Tau Earth cast to unlock the secrets to the technology used by the CIS. The Tau also know a lot about robotics. They would likely find a way to create a device that would disrupt or disable the control signal the CIS uses to control it most numerous infantry units. Couple this with the fact that the tau have faced off against threats a billion times worse that anything the CIS can throw at them, and that the tau are used to being outnumbered, then the CIS is in for a rude awakening. I'm not saying that it would be a curb stomp, but the Tau fire casteΒ will give the droid army a run for its credits.Β
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My personal belief is that the Tau triumph in this match. Grievous is tough and his armies are determined, but the Tau are smart. They're not like the Dogmatic Jedi. They're flexible, adaptive and pack some hefty firepower, trading the elegance of the light sabre for the efficiency of the pulse rifle.Β
this isn't easy for the Tau, but I believe that their use of EMP and their hit and run, take few casualties as possible style of warfare will lead them to victory.Β
Though personally, I'd love to see Grievous fight against a few battle suits.Β
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Damn. You're pitting one of my favorite factions in science fiction against a force that I'm not fond of but know could defeat them. This would be cool to see, but I've got to give it to the Tau. Their tech is a lot more advanced, and they are significantly more intelligent when it comes to strategy and tactics. Mostly because they're from Star Wars, the CIS are kind of stupid when it comes to conducting a war (it's one of the reasons I love them, actually). From what the movies and EU have shown me, the CIS would lose simply because of their incompetence alone. I guess the CIS has a numbers advantage, but again, it never made a difference in their own universe, and the Tau have plenty of experience beating numerically superior forces, so I don't think it's much of a game changer. I would at least hope that the Tau would reverse-engineer some CIS tech after they've won β it might make them interesting for once.
Definitely rooting for the separatists, either way.
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Hmm. The Tau have a shooting advantage against just about anyone, though the CIS have pretty good tanks to make up for their poor infantry. While the Tau suck at close combat, I don't see the CIS making enough Magnaguards to capitalize on that fact.
I'll give this to the Tau. Unless the CIS all of a sudden think "Make more Magnaguards" I don't see them winning.
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While the Tau may have a love of long range combat, the CIS seems to have a greater variety of ranged weaponry, such as blasters, missiles, sonic blasters, etc. In terms of Infantry, the Tau are somewhat limited there as well. Kroot gain much of their power by consuming their enemy, but the CIS is largely inorganic. The Stealth Suits may be invisible, but the CIS do have access to sensor technology (whether or not it would be able to pick up the SS, I can't say for certain, so I'll leave that at a maybe). The Gue'vesa are basic humans with the most simplified weapons the Tau will allow them to have.
The CIS (IMO) crush the Tau in terms of elite warriors. Droid Commandos, Ultra Battle Droids, the MANDALORIANS, Annihilator Droids, The Dark Side Acolytes (who can fight up close and personal, playing on the Tau weakness), and the Magna-Guards. In addition to various other troops and droids.
I will give the Tau cavalry, as that seems to be their specialty, though I would point out that the CIS have droids capable of burrowing for underground combat, and could burst up under Tau forces. The CIS though, do have a vastly superior set of Heavy Weapons Units, and things like the Seismic Tank or the Defoliator Canon (which kills all nearby organic troops in an explosive energy pulse of death) tilts things heavily in their favor.
Air Combat... that's difficult to say, and may require more analysis. CIS have better dropships though.
CIS have superior Support and Defense units, and once a position is taken by the CIS, they will have an easier time holding on to their territory.
So yes, while the Magna-Guards will help, I think the CIS are far more likely to win this then people give them credit for. They were/are a genuine threat in their universe and are not to be taken lightly.
I apologize if I came off rude in anyway. The CIS is one of my favorite factions in PC, but no one seems to take them seriously. So here are some of the reasons I think they'd beat the Tau. Your thoughts?
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The problem with your statement is the sole fact that the warhammer 40k universe itself is in fact full of brutal violence, and superior technology, I like your points and will admit that I don't have a lot of knowledge about the tau, but remember that the tau face the space marines, the tyranids, chaos space marines, etc. So while I agree that the weapons for the CIS are heavy, the tau have adapted to more brutal and harder warfare, just thought I would put my two cents in.
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People don't take the CIS seriously for two reasons:
1. They were literally designed to fail.
2. They display the same level of competence as your typical saturday morning cartoon villain.
And while I will have to agree that the CIS win, it isn't going to be the curbstomp that you're making it out to be for them. Just because Kroot can't eat battle droids doesn't mean they can't tear them a new asshole - and while the CIS did develope some truly kickass machines during the war, most of them were just downright pathetic. I mean, look at the B1s - if the Kroot could eat them, they'd probably get dumber from doing so.
The only war the CIS are gonna win here is by drowning the Tau in numbers - which they will. The CIS are basically a less powerful, less competent version of the Sontarans, really.
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You're not being rude, man. If anything, I was being dismissive of the CIS. I'm more used to watching droids being crushed or crushing droids myself than see them actually winning.
I actually forgot about the kroot in this. The kroot might not be of much use beyond sniping, but the vespid neutron blasters pack a wallop with hit and run tactics.
I don't know the full extent of droid weapons, but tau have pulse weapons, ion weapons, missiles, flamethrowers, plasma, fusion weapons, neutron guns, and rail weapons.
I'll have to disagree in the elite warriors section (except Mandolorians). While the CIS have greater variety and Acolytes, battlesuits are a swiss army knife that take a variety of weaponry/gear to handle targets. If they can handle Librarians, they can handle the Sith.
Do the Mandos work for CIS now? I didn't know that. Shiiiiiit Tau have problems. Is there even a counter to that?
Sith Acolytes present a huge problem, but also make themselves targets for Kroot snipers because of that.
The Tau have something similar to the Defoliator Cannon: EMP grenades. Unless droids are EMP shielded (they might be, I don't know) that's a bit of a problem.
The burrowing droids are interesting. Tyranids have that and destroy opponents, so it'll likely work the same way.
Really? The CIS have something better than a Manta? That's impressive.
The largest advantage the CIS have (barring the Mandalorians) is Greivous. He looks enough like a droid to blend in and avoid fire but still wrecks opponents.
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I'd forgotten about the Vespid. They will be a bit of a problem, but I notice that both the Vespid and the Kroot don't tend to be fielded in the same kinds of numbers as regular Tau warriors.
I believe (and I may forget a few) that droids have access to Blaster weapons, laser rifles (not really sure how those are different from blasters, but there you go), missiles, flamethrowers, sonic handguns, laser cannons, plasma cannons, and poison gas (those last four are usually only used by the higher ranking, more expensive droids, with poison gas only being used by one particular extremely rare type of droid).
Well, Mandalorians do typically act as bounty hunters, and the CIS is more then willing to shell out the cash to keep a good quantity on hand.
Droids can be shielded against energy attacks (such as EMP or lightsabers) but that's generally not given to the lower ranking mass produced droids. You may see it on Armor class (though not all) and some tanks, but the vast majority do not. The CIS's general belief to solving a problem tends to be throwing more droids at it. If an enemy has a weapon that kills a lot of droids, then make more droids then they can kill with that weapon. It is, admittedly, a bit of a flaw in the CIS game plan.
Of course, I don't claim to be a major Star Wars expert, so maybe the CIS do have something that counters EMP. If they do though, I am currently unaware of it.
They've got some Heavy Bombers, Droid Bombers, a couple of starfighters, as well as some really big gunships. A few of their organic fliers are trained to such a degree that they'd certainly give the Air Caste a run for their money. A book recently came out detailing more of their air-force (among other things), but I haven't gotten my hands on it yet. Still, the Manta is a badass ship, and would need to be the focus of airbattles, that much I can admit.
The Tau do have hit and run tactics on their side. And they aren't one to commit to something that isn't working. They pull out and try again when they think of something else. They are definitely a smart faction, and about the only one I can say I actually like from Warhammer. But I do think that, like EMP for the droids, the Tau have an exploitable weakness: Their love of the Greater Good.
Since Tau are always trying to expand their empire, and get enemies to convert, I can see the CIS calling the Tau for a conference, then either lying to the Tau to get closer for some sabotage, or outright attacking them their. Greivous is certainly not above playing dirty to win.
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Just found this but I thought you'd be interested in the lore and new unit sections (Tau 6e came out after the profile was made). Quick read it before they take it down!
www.scribd.com/doc/153905826/Wβ¦
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Ohh...so much new information...so much raw data.... must download immediately....
I hope to see these new units added to the Tau Profile.
Though I can't say that this makes my job of arguing for the CIS any easier. It does make it easier to vote for Tau supremacy over Protoss though!
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Don't worry Protoss got some new stuff from short stories and HOTS too 
Among other things the Void Ray now incinerates almost everything it looks at on contact without chargup and Protoss commanders can recall their armies back to home base at will.Β
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They aren't. Kroot are mercenaries like the Mandos and Vespid don't send out troops very often. Granted, you don't need many Vespid when a neutron gun can one-shot a space marine.
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