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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to Orochitachi [2009-10-29 02:40:24 +0000 UTC]

Once again, thank you very much!

This one presented with quite a bit of difficulty, even for me. But... I am always glad to know that someone likes it. It means the world to me.

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Orochitachi In reply to SinistrosePhosphate [2009-10-29 02:58:12 +0000 UTC]

Glad to hear it!

It looks quite difficult indeed... But, once again, I'm happy that I've manged to delight you! : )

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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to Orochitachi [2009-10-29 23:08:21 +0000 UTC]

If you haven't realised it by now... I'm delighted easily.
I am convinced that there are little things in life everyday that makes life worth living and this world a slightly nicer place.

... Thank you for providing quite a few of them.

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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to Amelie-the-Fox [2009-10-25 03:51:11 +0000 UTC]

You're absolutely right. The hair was the most difficult part of this whole piece. I haven't read much of CLAMP pass X, but it's an honour to be compared to them.

There were some patterns on the kimono in the original painting, actually. I decided to take these patterns out because I thought adding pattern on the kimono will make the picture too complicated. It would be easy to lose focus on both the girl and the words. In my understanding, there are only supposed to be a few aspects of the picture that people should be immediately drawn to (in this case, hair and words). Making it too complicated probably wouldn't help. Now, I realise that this version may look too austere as it stands. If there's a chance I redo this project, I will most definitely consider adding a tad more details.

Why don't I consider doing some projects in Chinese style?
Well... wouldn't that be something people would actually expect? Why conform to what other people expect from you?

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Amelie-the-Fox In reply to SinistrosePhosphate [2009-10-25 08:01:02 +0000 UTC]

I think CLAMP write good stories, their art style is very delicate, too. But in fact I haven't read all of their mangas, I've only read “魔法骑士”, "Card Captor Sakura" and "Chobits". I love the latter two! I have a whole set of "Chobits" at home!

...In my understanding, people like details. Although I am also a person who doesn't like making things too complicated. When I am painting my artworks, I sometimes keep on muttering I shouldn't add so many details for it would make things tough, but on the other hand I cannot stop depicting them in a delicate way. My mum said that I was a masochist (not exactly it but somewhat like that) when she saw I kept on working on those details. Sometimes working on details makes me mad but happy.

Well...I don't mean that. I don't mean you should conform to other people's expectations. Westerners appreciate things in oriental styles, just like Easterners are fascinated by occidental things. But among those eastern styles, Japanese style seems to gain more appreciations than Chinese style nowadays.
I said you might consider doing some works in Chinese style just because we are Chinese, and if we can let foreigners know more about our cultures, this would be a kind of contribution.

（拉拉你的衣角 ）乘枫哥哥··· 白雪公主和小红帽的故事喔···（期待 ）请在别的留言告诉我吧~！

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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to Amelie-the-Fox [2009-10-25 16:54:14 +0000 UTC]

I started reading CLAMP early (mostly because my cousin was reading them). The ones I know are R.G. Veda ( 聖傳 ), X and Tokyo Babylon. I stopped following CLAMP when Card Captor Sakura and Chobits came out. I didn't like the story and the premise of those two stories. And I've stopped reading CLAMP completely. However, I've been told that I should watch xxxHolic. I will reconsider sometime in the future.

I like details. But I've learned that it's an art to provide the right type and amount of details. You remember that I noticed the changes in furniture in your comic a while ago, right? That's my dedication to details. But I've learned (the hard way) that most people nowdays only notice some details and not others. Too much detail will confuse the focus of a piece of artwork to the point that the "Flower is lost in the leaves". I love details. But there is something called "too much details".

(被虐狂是一種人類性愛的一種倒錯. 性倒錯症者, 要經由一些和性器官無關的事物, 來得到性滿足. 被虐狂需要經由被施加精神, 或肉體痛苦, 才能得到性愉快. 有沒有經過性交來達成這個目標是因人而異的. 至於為什麼會有被虐狂呢? 目前沒有人知道. 弗洛伊德认为, 这種心理是出于对爱的渴求，被虐狂认为他们被虐打，是因为施虐者爱他们，关心他们. 一项研究发现，不少被母亲虐打的孩子长大後大部份不會離开其母，总會竭力向她表示对她的爱，若这些母亲去世，这些孩子有不少在精神上會出现问题，这是因为他们把母亲的虐打视为一種爱的表达. 除了对爱的渴求，受虐者亦有被他人关注的需求. 他希望能藉此摆脱孤獨，获得人际关係，因为在被虐的过程中，施虐者必定存在. 许多专家认为被虐狂对于爱的需求往往比正常人为大. 霍妮（Horney）认为, 因受虐者内心有着对\"自身的软弱\" 和 \"自己缺少重要性\" 的双重恐懼，他们因而希望被施加痛苦和折磨，一来可以使自己感到被别人注意，二来可透过痛苦和折磨减轻自己的恐懼感。为了被别人爱，他们甘心屈從

所以... 灰姑娘表現上好像是個被虐狂. 但是因為行為上沒有和性有關, 雖然動機相像, 並不算是真的被虐狂. 桃樂蒂的話麼... ...)

About your comment on Chinese culture...
That's the thing - there isn't too many good Chinese material to work from. I don't conform to the Chinese-style of paper-cutting here (it's among one of them 5, 6 different traditional styles out there) - that means I will need to find good starting material to work from. Unfortunately... anything that looks "Chinese" are quite difficult to come by lately. Since I don't have a lot of time to hunt down my materials... I take what I can get my hands on.

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Amelie-the-Fox In reply to SinistrosePhosphate [2009-10-26 10:05:16 +0000 UTC]

Oh, why don't you like the story of Card Captor Sakura and Chobits? Perhaps because the style is more girlish...I read Card Captor Sakura when I bought those monthly comic magazines, and started to read Chobits being attracted by the cute main character, at first I didn't like the story, but later I found it interesting!

It is quite difficult to maintain the balance. Sometimes I tend to put too many details in a painting or a picture. I think there is inertia: when I don't paint, I think working on details makes me tired, and really don't want to do them. But once I start working on them, I tend to paint more and more of them, and it becomes difficult for me to finish the work. ...Like that, some of my art have abundant details...and perhaps too many...=.=

@/////@ 我不知道masochist 这词一定是和性有关，我以为泛指所有方面的被虐狂··· 至于那些精神或肉體痛苦是不是会令人愉快，我真的不知道···（没有经验 ) 真是一种米养百种人啊··· 人类确是很难理解的动物。说开《路德维希革命》，我记得路易王子说威廉是被虐狂，丽丝是虐待狂，那你说是不是？ 真不明白桃樂蒂为什么是被虐狂，她不是法力无边的吗？ 这麽厉害还会觉得“自身的软弱”？ 我可是很喜欢她啊！

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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to Amelie-the-Fox [2009-10-27 06:42:33 +0000 UTC]

I watched a few episodes of both Chobits and Card Captor Sakura.
I remember not liking Chobits because I didn't like computers (and I still don't), especially when it's in the shape of a human being. The other reason is that I see this series as a vehicle for CLAMP to play dress-up with a doll-like character. There wasn't a lot of plot development in the first few episodes, and I gave up. Card captor Sakura had a predictable story line and characters that look entirely too cute. I didn't like that, either.

It's easy to get dragged into the details. We get a sense of accomplishement when we look at the painting and see all the wonderful details that we put into it. They make us feel good about ourselves and our own abilities. However, one thing that I find is that things look very different from the person who is looking at the painting. Next time, when you read a manga, take a look at the cover art: what's the first thing that catches your eye? It should be easy to identify (and it's usually the face of the main character). That's what I mean by focus. If you can't find the focus easily, then we are spending too much time on distracting details.

I like art with a lot of details. I put in a lot of details in my projects, myself. However, it's a matter of putting them smartly. 錢也是要花在刀口上的, 不是麼?

You're right. Most people don't know that the word "masochist" is a strictly sexual definition. I don't know why people become masochists or what type of pleasure they derive from the process. But then again... I am not interested.

桃樂蒂... 真的是個認為自己軟弱無能的人. 不過她用自己的法力保護著自己, 不讓人知道. 當她最後跟依蒂克公主解釋, 為什麼要捨命救路易王子的時候, 她的動機就很明顯. 她因為一直受人控制, 一直被當成賺錢的工具來看待, 所以已經造成了鄙視自己的習慣. 外表好看的巫女, 其實本身自認是個無可救藥的罪人. 所以當路易王子看穿她的防護面具, 反而打她踢她的時候, 她認為她找到了真正了解她, 愛她的人, 也願意為他犧牲. 威廉是個任勞任怨的好孩子. 不過, 他認為要服從忍受, 才對自己有認同感. ( 在小紅帽裡的自白, 就是個好例子.) 他也算是有受虐傾向的人. 不過, 不是真的被虐狂. 至於麗絲啊... 充其量衹是一個不懂得表達愛情, 又無法輕易相信他人的女孩. 跟虐待狂一點關係都沒有吧...

(Now that you mentioned it... I think I liked a few characters through the series. Dorothea was definitely one of them.)

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Amelie-the-Fox In reply to SinistrosePhosphate [2009-10-27 14:37:00 +0000 UTC]

"A vehicle for CLAMP to play dress-up with a doll-like character", yes, in fact both the mangas "Card Captor Sakura" and "Chobits" are.

About masochist, aww...What kind of pleasure they derive from the process? Only Heaven knows. (But I know God in the heaven doesn't want to see this ) I am not interested in these strange things, too.

Oh, which characters in "Ludwig's Revolution" do you like? I like Wilhelm, Red Riding Hood and Dorothea. Besides these, I also like Princess Maleen and White Albertina quite a bit. I like the look of Ludwig but don't like his personality, anyway, I appreciate his rational mind.
(Am reading the manga now )

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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to Amelie-the-Fox [2009-10-28 01:05:06 +0000 UTC]

I guess I'm the type of person who likes a little adventure, some fighting and a bit more plot in my stories. Pretty pictures alone just isn't enough. That's the problem that I find with a lot of the later CLAMP stories... the plot is not strong at all. Even if they may seem so in the individual episodes, the overall stories are really weak. And I lose interest in them very soon.

What kind of pleasure do masochists derive from the process of being humiliated and hurt? That's a wonderful question. For most of them, it's not about the pain (although for some people who suffer from algolagnia - who feel pleasure from physical pain). For most people, masochism involves a psychological need for release. For some people, the practice help them to regress to a more child-like state where everything was determined by someone else, a "dominant" figure. The freedom from making any decisions is an attractive notion for them. Some people wish to feel rejected - because they are tired of getting their way in life all the time. Finally, there is a group of people who do it in a form of role-play. There is no actual pain involved, just a series of consensual encounters between adults.

In this series, I have to say that I like Prince Ludwig quite a lot. Like you said, he has a rational mind and a keen eye for details. He is someone who is not afraid to be different. After that, I like Dorothea. Finally... I will say that I would like to know more about Prince Ludwig's mother...

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Amelie-the-Fox In reply to SinistrosePhosphate [2009-10-30 14:50:02 +0000 UTC]

啊，乘枫哥哥！刚刚我去玩心理测验，又看到这个游戏！ 我想你从前玩错了，是这样的：

你一生勞碌還是生成富貴命呢？

亥時（M09:00至M10:59）
夏季生（即新曆5月6日至8月7日）
配未時或亥時：生在黃帝腹

生在皇帝腹　「才氣型」
「生在皇帝腹」人特別重視品味，事業方面你會追求卓越成就，加上你腦筋靈活，才氣不俗，所以容易達到「成功」。
不過，閣下小心切勿「聰明反被聰明誤」而好高鶩遠，做事不切實際。只要閣下願意腳踏實地，你成就必可更大及更持久。

···不是生在皇帝手啊！

那么拜拜啦，要喝多点水啊！

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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to Amelie-the-Fox [2009-10-30 20:17:45 +0000 UTC]

啊... 我玩錯了呀?
唉呀, 真是失禮了. 好失敗啊...

原來是生在皇帝腹. 難怪不到三十歲, 就挺一個肚腩.
不過... 這個 " 腦筋靈活，才氣不俗 " 聽起來, 是太也傑出啦. 乘楓還不知道自己在追求卓越成就哪, 更別說要好高鶩遠啦! 我看... 這個游戲, 也未免太抬舉我啦...

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